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crpalmi
Welcome back to the High End Group Break as we continue our 6th year together! I have the proposed product list below. Let me know as soon as possible if you are dropping or changing teams so I can keep the list accurate. Note also that if you are interested in joining but your team shows as claimed just let me know as we may have an opening in our "High End 2" group for you! I set the product list for a budget of filling 20 teams so we will hopefully not have to cut anything and can hopefully add to the list!

Just a note about the draft slots, I budgeted for one less slot than we need so after the list is randomized and we run through the draft, the person with the last slot in the draft will be awarded the last remaining TWO teams. This will hopefully eliminate the downside of getting stuck with the worst team in the draft. These picks are offered on a first come first serve basis to members of the group. You can buy one draft slot per owned team but if you would like more just let me know and I'll add you to the list if slots are available at the end. If we fail to sell all the slots needed to participants of the group I will have to offer them to folks outside of the break, but this is as a last resort only.

Cost: $115 ($112 for each additional) Draft Slots: $45
Payment Due Date: September 20th
Break Date: Sunday at 7pm(ct)

Please remember Paypal will no longer be accepted. Please send Money Order or cashiers check to;
Chris Palmieri
1549 Sussex Place
Shakopee, MN 55379


Product list: (Based on 25 teams filled + 6 Drafted)
2011 Five Star Case (3 Boxes)
2007 Exquisite Case
2006 Exquisite Case

Participant List:

49ers - KPit1978 --------------------- PAID
Bears - Dvashun --------------------- PAID
Bengals - KPit1978 ------------------- PAID
Bills - Quik59sat
Broncos - 11Eleven11 ---------------- PAID
Browns - Crpalmi -------------------- PAID
Buccaneers - Dvashun
Cardinals - GRG5050
Chargers - Cardman123
Chiefs - JoelWil
Colts - Crpalmi ------------------------- PAID
Cowboys - 11Eleven11 ---------------- PAID
Dolphins - 11Eleven11 ---------------- PAID
Eagles - Cardman123
Falcons - Crpalmi --------------------- PAID
Giants - NYStateofMind1976 ---------- PAID
Jaguars - BobKoning ------------------ PAID
Jets - BobKoning ---------------------- PAID
Lions - KPit1978 ----------------------- PAID
Packers - Quik59sat ------------------- PAID
Panthers - KPit1978 ------------------- PAID
Patriots - BobKoning ----------------- PAID
Raiders - ACP420 -------------------- PAID
Rams - Cardman123 ----------------- PAID
Ravens - Neutron Farmer ------------ PAID
Redskins - BobKoning ---------------- PAID
Saints - Crpalmi ---------------------- PAID
Seahawks - Quik59sat
Steelers - Straightbutta14 ----------- PAID
Texans - Quik59sat
Titans - Deantap --------------------- PAID
Vikings - KPit1978 -------------------- PAID

Draft Slots for Unclaimed Teams ;
Cardman123 --- PD
Quik59sat ------ PD
Quik59sat ------ PD
Dvashun ------- PD
GRG5050 ------ PD
Cardman123 --- PD
crpalmi
Struggling on the product list again this month but wanted to add some 2012 to the mix hence the Momentum. Open to suggestions but I did look at pretty much all years of Exquisite and NT and the price points continue to be a budget breaker.
Cardman123
In with the Rams and a draft spot.
NYStateOfMind1976
Back with my team and I am cool with the box allocation
11eleven11
payment sent (last week) tongue.gif
straightbutta14
Hopefully a lot of Steeler vets in Momentum.. I'm in..
Cool_Hand_Flash
Still looking for the Colts Chris.. in vain laugh.gif

Hobby 2 and high end 2 as well..
11eleven11
Do we really want Momentum ...

http://paniniamerica.wordpress.com/2012/09...ntum-football/#

Prefer not wink.gif
crpalmi
QUOTE(11eleven11 @ Sep 12 2012, 02:18 AM)
Do we really want Momentum ...

http://paniniamerica.wordpress.com/2012/09...ntum-football/#

Prefer not  wink.gif
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Not sure... as I mentioned I was struggling on this one. I think we need to start mixing in 2012 stuff and the true high end products like Exq or NT from 2010 is way overpriced or dried up. I tried for 06NT as well and I still can't find any. I'm open to listening for alternatives if there are any ideas out there.
kpit1978
QUOTE(11eleven11 @ Sep 12 2012, 04:18 AM)
Do we really want Momentum ...

http://paniniamerica.wordpress.com/2012/09...ntum-football/#

Prefer not  wink.gif
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I gotta say I was skeptical about this product from the start and even more so now. We all know they like to show off the best cards from the product in the sell sheet and even the ones displayed in the sell sheet weren't impressive imo. The next one in line is Prominence (Sept. 19th release date) which kind of looks like a whole lot of Panini's older products all rolled into one, Epix, Rookies and Stars, etc.
Not a whole lot of choices though. For 2010 about all I see that fits in the budget is Plates & Patches, Triple Threads and Tribute. I wouldn't mind seeing some mix of the '10 Tribute with the Momentum knowing that Chris wants to add some '12 to the mix.
Cardman123
QUOTE(11eleven11 @ Sep 12 2012, 01:18 AM)
Do we really want Momentum ...

http://paniniamerica.wordpress.com/2012/09...ntum-football/#

Prefer not  wink.gif
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I'm all for eliminating ANYTHING from Panini that doesn't have "National Treasures" in the name.

I've said it before and I'll say it until I'm blue in the face....Panini $ucks.
quik59sat
I don't think there's anything in 2012 that I'd consider high-end at the moment and Momentum looks horrible.

Here are my suggestions for product:
Absolute
Limited
Plates and Patches
Gold Standard
2008 NT (if we had a few more teams filled)
SP Authentic sans base
crpalmi
Packers are available in High End #2 break if interested!
MWS
Oh nevermind thought they were avalible in this Break.
BOBKONING
QUOTE(11eleven11 @ Sep 12 2012, 12:18 AM)
Do we really want Momentum ...

http://paniniamerica.wordpress.com/2012/09...ntum-football/#

Prefer not  wink.gif
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Have to agree with 11 on this one. This should be a high end break and Momentum doesn't cut it. I can't afford to float 4 teams if we start breaking mid end stuff. I hate to say it but I think running 2 breaks has hurt this break as we now have less team owners here.

I think we have 3 options:

1. Increase the cost so we can break high-end boxes (I know this isn't popular, but if the product cost has increased we will need to pay more)
2. Break less often. (I don't like this either) biggrin.gif
3. GET MORE TEAM OWNERS!!!

As an FYI, I may need to drop a team or 2 especially if the product doesn't improve. Sorry Chris, I know it's not your fault, but it just doesn't make financial sense to pay for teams that don't have a chance to get a quality hit.
crpalmi
QUOTE(BOBKONING @ Sep 13 2012, 05:12 PM)
Have to agree with 11 on this one.  This should be a high end break and Momentum doesn't cut it. I can't afford to float 4 teams if we start breaking mid end stuff.  I hate to say it but I think running 2 breaks has hurt this break as we now have less team owners here.

I think we have 3 options:

1. Increase the cost so we can break high-end boxes (I know this isn't popular, but if the product cost has increased we will need to pay more)
2. Break less often. (I don't like this either) biggrin.gif
3. GET MORE TEAM OWNERS!!!

As an FYI, I may need to drop a team or 2 especially if the product doesn't improve. Sorry Chris, I know it's not your fault, but it just doesn't make financial sense to pay for teams that don't have a chance to get a quality hit.
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I certainly understand and agree. I'm fine waiting on the 2012 stuff until there's a product we like so maybe just a filler with any extra but I still don't know what to put together for a product list.

Triple Threads and Tribute I find way overpriced. Plates & Patches and Limited aren't really high end as we see it. Exquisite and NT are getting harder to find and when you do it's at $600 a box... just not sure where to go on this one? As for losing owners to group #2, we actually didn't lose anyone I don't think. Some of you picked up extra teams in that one so I can understand the strain on the budget but as far as people leaving one break for the other, I can't think of anyone who has done that. We just have a few new folks that were able to get teams they couldn't get in this one which is why I started the 2nd groups. I kept getting emails over and over again that if certain teams came open they'd love to join. Unfortunately we just haven't had enough new folks join yet.

Not sure what to do on this one so I'd like to hear more opinions such as Bob expressed above. I can always add old Exquisite from 06 and 07 as that stuff's cheap but I doubt many would support that due to redemptions, etc.. I could see what 10 Five Star is going for but even that is drying up. Thoughts???
Cardman123
Its quite the dilemna. I hate to beat a dead horse to death, but ever since Panini has taken over all the licensing for everything, the product availability has really gone down hill. And I don't think searching out Exquisite is the answer. I personally think the college photos and jerseys are horrible. I like collecting MLB and NFL stuff. I don't have any interest in collecting college stuff.

I'm not extremely optimistic about where this is heading. I know that I can't support higher price points and would likely drop out of the groups if the cost was to go up. I'm still here for now, but I don't know how much longer I'll be around unless the products improve. My hobby money could go toward baseball which seems to have no shortage of nice products coming out.
kpit1978
I'd be all for some '10 Five Star or '09 Exq. even knowing I'd lose out on a Percy Harvin redemption if it was pulled. As Bob pointed out, and the exact reason why I dropped the Packers in High 2 and am contemplating dropping team(s) in this break, it just doesn't make sense to pay for teams that you need to get multiple hits just to break even. You're better off just picking up singles on Ebay and making sure you get something you like for your money.
crpalmi
I don't know...maybe it's time this break has run it's course?

Keep the opinions coming and we'll see where to take this but so far I tend to agree with all the statements and that this has gotten away from what the group was supposed to be breaking and that's mainly due to watered down products and the ones that aren't have really risen in cost toi where if we're not at 27-29 teams filled we're not really filling the product list.

I remember when we could buy 6 box cases of 2007NT for $1300 and we were breaking 12-15 boxes almost every month. Now if we want to stay high end we are lucky to get more than 7-8 boxes in. I don't know guys, it's been almost 6 years since this started as "The Exquisite" group and then we expanded to include other products and focused on NT/Exq and now out of necessity we have expanded to include Five Star which I'm still ok with. But with Exq excluded from NFL products the list of true high end candidates gets squeezed even more.

Keep the opinions coming and we shall see. Maybe we let this one fade away and bring back the multi-sport break?
kpit1978
QUOTE(crpalmi @ Sep 14 2012, 09:33 AM)
I don't know...maybe it's time this break has run it's course?

Keep the opinions coming and we'll see where to take this but so far I tend to agree with all the statements and that this has gotten away from what the group was supposed to be breaking and that's mainly due to watered down products and the ones that aren't have really risen in cost toi where if we're not at 27-29 teams filled we're not really filling the product list.

I remember when we could buy 6 box cases of 2007NT for $1300 and we were breaking 12-15 boxes almost every month. Now if we want to stay high end we are lucky to get more than 7-8 boxes in. I don't know guys, it's been almost 6 years since this started as "The Exquisite" group and then we expanded to include other products and focused on NT/Exq and now out of necessity we have expanded to include Five Star which I'm still ok with. But with Exq excluded from NFL products the list of true high end candidates gets squeezed even more.

Keep the opinions coming and we shall see. Maybe we let this one fade away and bring back the multi-sport break?
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Any chance we can get our old teams back if we do go multi-sport? I'd be happy to get back into that one if we can't figure out a way to make this one work.
Cardman123
QUOTE(crpalmi @ Sep 14 2012, 06:33 AM)
Keep the opinions coming and we shall see. Maybe we let this one fade away and bring back the multi-sport break?
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I would LOVE that. Officially claiming Dodgers, Lakers, Rams and Kings (hky) if you bring it back.
crpalmi
I don't know yet about the Multi-sport as I was just throwing that out there. The whole reason that went away was that it was so tough to put those product lists topgether as well. If we did I would want to try to shorten the draft period as well so I'd have to go back to look at how we did it and maybe tweak some things. If anything that won't be for awhile and I wouldn't have any answers as to how we would format it so put that on the shelf for at least now.

I'd like to hear more feedback on this High End group and we'll go from there.
kpit1978
I think Bob already came up with the right options even if they're not overly desirable. Instead of a set price each month Chris could figure out the cost per team based on the product chosen or we keep the same prices but change the length between breaks and budget accordingly. If we break every month and half it would be $170 per slot, if every 2 months then $230 per slot and so on.
If prices go up I know I'll end up with fewer teams and I imagine others will as well. We would have to hope that there are other people willing to pick up those teams or maybe cap it off at 16 slots and then a price that would include a second randomed/drafted team.
Cardman123
Payment made for Rams and draft spot. Arrival in 5 business days.
BOBKONING
QUOTE(crpalmi @ Sep 13 2012, 04:23 PM)
I certainly understand and agree. I'm fine waiting on the 2012 stuff until there's a product we like so maybe just a filler with any extra but I still don't know what to put together for a product list.

Triple Threads and Tribute I find way overpriced. Plates & Patches and Limited aren't really high end as we see it. Exquisite and NT are getting harder to find and when you do it's at $600 a box... just not sure where to go on this one? As for losing owners to group #2, we actually didn't lose anyone I don't think. Some of you picked up extra teams in that one so I can understand the strain on the budget but as far as people leaving one break for the other, I can't think of anyone who has done that. We just have a few new folks that were able to get teams they couldn't get in this one which is why I started the 2nd groups. I kept getting emails over and over again that if certain teams came open they'd love to join. Unfortunately we just haven't had enough new folks join yet.

Not sure what to do on this one so I'd like to hear more opinions such as Bob expressed above. I can always add old Exquisite from 06 and 07 as that stuff's cheap but I doubt many would support that due to redemptions, etc.. I could see what 10 Five Star is going for but even that is drying up. Thoughts???
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There are more teams claimed in High End 2, plus as of yesterday 3 teams claimed over there are unclaimed here, so I would say we lost some teams here, with out a doubt, because of #2.

I haven't heard any suggestions of closing #2. I would be disappointed if we closed #1 and kept #2 opened as I've been pretty loyal to this group (as have many others) for many years now.

If it changes to multi sport I would drop as I only collect football. Just saying. mad.gif biggrin.gif

As for product. ANY old Exquisite, NT or Five Star is FAR better than any 2012 product available now. Thats my vote.
crpalmi
QUOTE(BOBKONING @ Sep 14 2012, 06:00 PM)
There are more teams claimed in High End 2, plus as of yesterday 3 teams claimed over there are unclaimed here, so I would say we lost some teams here, with out a doubt, because of #2. 

I haven't heard any suggestions of closing #2.  I would be disappointed if we closed #1 and kept #2 opened as I've been pretty loyal to this group (as have many others) for many years now.

If it changes to multi sport I would drop as I only collect football. Just saying.  mad.gif  biggrin.gif

As for product.  ANY old Exquisite, NT or Five Star is FAR better than any 2012 product available now. Thats my vote.
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Not sure if we shut down #2 it would help this group as I've tried to talk some folks into moving over to this group if their team was open here and they passed. Partly I think because group 2 is structured differently. It's more of a high end break in cost than in product. In that one we are breaking 12 Finest which I would never even suggest here. I for one would like to see this group continue but will certainly want to continue to hear more feedback. I think we are in agreement that there just isn't a 2012 product out there that fits the bill here so I will take that off the list and will see what we can come up with instead.

As for the multi-sport break, we'll see but don't forget Bob you can have all 3 of your teams be FB teams if you wish. That's the beauty of it. Still, I worry that bringing that back will just stretch the same folks even thinner. Still need to think that one through.
crpalmi
Let's try this... Cases of 2006 and 2007 Exquisite to go with the 11 Five Star. It stretches the budget but I'll see if I can work a deal with ATL Sportscards. In the meantime I'll keep an eye out for deals on 09 Exquisite, 06NT, 10 Five Star, and those types of products until the 2012 big boys release.
BOBKONING
QUOTE(crpalmi @ Sep 14 2012, 07:14 PM)
Let's try this... Cases of 2006 and 2007 Exquisite to go with the 11 Five Star. It stretches the budget but I'll see if I can work a deal with ATL Sportscards. In the meantime I'll keep an eye out for deals on 09 Exquisite, 06NT, 10 Five Star, and those types of products until the 2012 big boys release.
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Love the lineup! Payment Sent for High and Hobby #1
BOBKONING
Oh, BTW I need to drop the Jets from HE#2. Sorry Chris, there just isn't any meat on the bone for me to have the Jets over there.
po10sho
QUOTE(crpalmi @ Sep 13 2012, 09:19 AM)
Packers are available in High End #2 break if interested!
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Hi are the packers still available?? please let me know thank u
crpalmi
QUOTE(po10sho @ Sep 18 2012, 01:36 AM)
Hi are the packers still available?? please let me know thank u
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Sorry, they were claimed. The Boxbreakers website is updated in case you want to look at any additional teams.
quik59sat
Chris, I'll pick up two draft spots.
Cardman123
If you get in a crunch, I can add a 2nd draft spot, but keep it available in case someone else wants it.
crpalmi
Please note to change the product list we have to fill to 25 teams so there's a good chance we may have to cut out a box or two so hoping we get some more takers. Hard to believe the Saints are still there with Reggie Bush leading the league in rushing!
Cardman123
QUOTE(crpalmi @ Sep 18 2012, 01:26 PM)
Please note to change the product list we have to fill to 25 teams so there's a good chance we may have to cut out a box or two so hoping we get some more takers. Hard to believe the Saints are still there with Reggie Bush leading the league in rushing!
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I completely understand the situation we are in. However, if the product line does get cut, I will be dropping out. Just want to give you the heads up.
NYStateOfMind1976
Chris,
If you ever bring multisport back or open a baseball break consider in for life with the Yankees..LOL
crpalmi
We have filled a few more teams with participants from the High End #2 break so Neutron Farmer takes the Ravens and ACP420 takes the Raiders. Also, I claimed the Saints since nobody else did which leaves us just 2 slots short. Let's get this done folks!
crpalmi
C'mon guys...looking for one person to step up and take a team and then I will take another to get us to budget. Actually we still have a couple draft slots available as well for anyone interested?
dvashun74
hey chris,

I will take the bears and a draft slot.
crpalmi
QUOTE(dvashun74 @ Sep 24 2012, 12:59 AM)
hey chris,

I will take the bears and a draft slot.
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Karma, table of one! clapping.gif

With that I will take the Falcons to get us to 25 claimed. Still have 2 draft slots we need to fill and we'll be there! Anybody...?
crpalmi
Time to start our draft folks. We still have one slot available so just to get it moving I'll pick it up so we are full. I'm going to send our list to a Mod to have them randomize the list and we'll get that posted as soon as we can so we can get started!
Cardman123
QUOTE(crpalmi @ Sep 26 2012, 08:43 AM)
Time to start our draft folks. We still have one slot available so just to get it moving I'll pick it up so we are full. I'm going to send our list to a Mod to have them randomize the list and we'll get that posted as soon as we can so we can get started!
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I told you I would pick up a 2nd draft spot if you needed it (pg 2). However, if you want to keep the draft spot, I am fine either way.
crpalmi
QUOTE(Cardman123 @ Sep 26 2012, 10:06 AM)
I told you I would pick up a 2nd draft spot if you needed it (pg 2). However, if you want to keep the draft spot, I am fine either way.
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Thanks for the reminder Joe, I had forgot about that. The random hasb't been done yet so I'll send a "never mind" as I can run it now that I am no longer part of it. List coming up shortly!
crpalmi
Ok, time to draft. The list has been randomized and we may begin right away!

On the clock: Cardman123
On-deck: Quik59sat

Draft Order:
1. Cardman123
2. Quik59sat
3. GRG5050
4. Cardman123
5. Dvashun
6. Quik59sat

Available Teams:
Bills
Buccaneers
Cardinals
Chargers
Eagles
Seahawks
Texans
Cardman123
Eagles. and I'll send payment now for 2nd spot.
quik59sat
On the clock: GRG5050
On-deck: Cardman123

Draft Order:
1. Cardman123 - Eagles
2. Quik59sat - Bills
3. GRG5050
4. Cardman123
5. Dvashun
6. Quik59sat

Available Teams:
Buccaneers
Cardinals
Chargers
Seahawks
Texans
crpalmi
GRG5050 takes the Cardinals
crpalmi
On the clock: Dvashun

Draft Order:
1. Cardman123 - Eagles
2. Quik59sat - Bills
3. GRG5050 - Cardinals
4. Cardman123 - Chargers
5. Dvashun
6. Quik59sat

Available Teams:
Buccaneers
Seahawks
Texans
Cardman123
Chargers please.
crpalmi
List above updated. Dvashun is on the clock.
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