Help - Search - Member List - Calendar
Full Version: The (UN)OFFICIAL Multi-Sport Team HBC - July '09
Collector Zone > TCC Features > Box Breaks > Group Box Breaks
Pages: 1, 2
mjda
Guys, I've created this topic so that all of our members may discuss what they'd like to see done differently with this group going forward. I'd also like to get you guys to confirm whether or not you're going to remain in the group for next month.

I've listed below a few things that come to mind that have been mentioned.

Card Distribution

There is currently a small gray area that it seems some cards seem to fall in to that needs to be cleared up. Here is my suggestion on the way the cards should be handled in the future, in this order:

1) The cards will go to the team printed on the card.
2) The cards will go to the team pictured in the uniform.
3) The cards will go to the team the player currently plays for.
4) The cards will go to the team the player was drafted to.
5) The cards will go to the team the player played for the longest (or is best known for).

Draft Order

This is one of the biggies that I would like to hear several opinions on. It's been suggested that we use a snake draft. I would suggest that we have 2 random orders, for the 1st and 3rd rounds. Then we will snake the 1st round to make the 2nd round, and snake the 3rd round to make the 4th round.

Break Months

At least a few people have stated that they'd like to see this group become a bi-monthly group, or a quarterly group. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. If we do this, what do you guys think about bumping the fee to $50 a person to allow for a better box selection, adding to the number of possible hits we could pull?

Please let me know what you think about these decisions. These are ones we'll definitely need to come to a decision on before we decide to continue on with future months. We'll be going with the majority on all of them.

Now, here is something I'd like to talk about that hasn't been brought up yet. Right now the rule says that everyone must take 1 team from each sport. What would you guys think about changing this so that anyone can take a team from any sport in any round, as long as all their teams don't all come from the same sport? I think this would make the drafting process a lot more interesting, while at the same time allowing members who may not collect one or more of the sports to not have to end up with cards they do not want.

Also, if you'd like to see something else done differently please mention it in this topic so that we can discuss it before the break starts rolling along again.

Current Members
1. mjda
2. sgmco
3. joey244
4. mikeadd10
5. bob_TCC
6. road_runner_1964
7. northicehero99
8. Luke2411
9. pavi39
10. booth9919
11. phinsfan77
12. bajmurray
13. chrome421
14. josh3302
15. Axe725
16. dekno2
17. otter8418
18. Canucksfan1812
19. maple19
20. mwagner24
21. aceecards
22. DCool
23. abcdefg
24. Kmart6nets
25. Derek4484
26. yodude91
27. Pete
28. Karlitos Way
29. dabeastlykid
30. Herdfan13

BOLD represents confirmed members.

Waiting List

If you would like to be adding to our waiting list, please PM me or just post in the thread.
bajmurray
I appreciate the invitation to join this illustrious group, & am honored to accept.
mjda
QUOTE(bajmurray @ Jul 7 2009, 09:22 PM)
I appreciate the invitation to join this illustrious group, & am honored to accept.


Thanks for joining! I've got you down as confirmed. Please also chime in with your thoughts on the topics above.
aceecards
i am 100% for the snake draft and conducting randoms for rounds 1 and 3.. then snake 2 and 4!

as far as the teams go.. and we will use starsberg for example.. he shouldve been a national not random.. we treat football that way and we should treat hockey and baseball and basketball the same
mjda
QUOTE(aceecards @ Jul 7 2009, 09:30 PM)
as far as the teams go.. and we will use starsberg for example.. he shouldve been a national not random.. we treat football that way and we should treat hockey and baseball and basketball the same


I absolutely agree Steve! I made the wrong decision last month, but hope that the new set of rules I've listed above should avoid any future problems. That said, I assume you agree with the determination rules I've posted above?

By the way guys, I'm making a list on paper here at the house with everyone's votes and/or ideas rather than updating the first post as it could get really long and messy doing so.
bajmurray
It has often been said that there is not an issue in the entire history of mankind upon which I do not have an opinion (an accurate statement I might add laugh.gif )

Therefore, here's my opinion:


Card Distribution: I agree with the proposal.

Draft order: I prefer a snake draft. I'd be OK with either one that snakes like a fantasy football draft, or with the one you propose.

Frequency: Has there been a issue with frequency in the past? As someone who has been accused (particularly by She Who Must Be Obeyed) of getting in too many group breaks, I can understand the desire to have a break less frequently than monthly. A semi-monthly or quarterly break would be good with me.

Team selection: I like one team per sport during the draft, with an option to trade afterwards. This is a multi sport break, & should be handled as such. People who like only one or 2 sports should seek out breaks that limit themselves to one sport (this from someone who HATES basketball)

Movie review: Go see Public Enemies! One of the best movies I have seen in years!!


mjda
Thanks for your reply Brian (hope it's ok if I use your first name laugh.gif). Also, being a movie lover myself I'm ashamed to say that I haven't seen that movie. However, I can assure you that it's now on my list of things to see.
booth9919
put me on the list
Pete
Count me in again.

QUOTE(bajmurray @ Jul 7 2009, 09:48 PM)
Team selection: I like one team per sport during the draft, with an option to trade afterwards. This is a multi sport break, & should be handled as such. People who like only one or 2 sports should seek out breaks that limit themselves to one sport (this from someone who HATES basketball)


I totally agree with that.

The rest sounds good.

Pete
mjda
QUOTE(Pete @ Jul 7 2009, 11:15 PM)
The rest sounds good.


What about going to a bi-monthly or quarterly break and bumping the price to $50 per spot instead of $25?
Pete
QUOTE(mjda @ Jul 8 2009, 06:56 AM)
What about going to a bi-monthly or quarterly break and bumping the price to $50 per spot instead of $25?
*



Sounds good to me. I'd be happy with bi-monthly @ $50 but will go with the majority.
josh3302
I'll be in again, and will pay double due to you covering me last month. As for the rules for the group heres what I think

Team LISTED on the card it should go to. If you made it the team they currently play for you may pick a team to get a certain player and then that player gets pulled but let's say is traded 5 days before the break. That would absolutley not be fair.

Break months:

If we up it to $50 even if we do the break every other month then I will have to withdraw from the group. Even though I'd still be paying $50 within two months. I am on a $50 budget every month, so doing the break every month I have $25 left over.

Draft Order:

Snake is the way to go. Only fair way at this point. I would say Random 1 and 3 like Steve said and snake 2 and 4
pavi39
Card Distribution

There is currently a small gray area that it seems some cards seem to fall in to that needs to be cleared up. Here is my suggestion on the way the cards should be handled in the future, in this order:

1) The cards will go to the team printed on the card.
2) The cards will go to the team pictured in the uniform.
3) The cards will go to the team the player currently plays for.
4) The cards will go to the team the player was drafted to.
5) The cards will go to the team the player played for the longest (or is best known for).


I would reverse 4 & 5. Elway was drafted by the colts, but I would rather see him going to the Broncos. Just one example I can think of. You may not have this problem if he is pictured as a Bronco, but I'd rather make sure he goes to the team he's most known for than the one who drafted him

Draft Order

I agree we should random 1&3 and then snake 2&4

Break Months

At least a few people have stated that they'd like to see this group become a bi-monthly group, or a quarterly group. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. If we do this, what do you guys think about bumping the fee to $50 a person to allow for a better box selection, adding to the number of possible hits we could pull?


with the amount of time we have taken drafting I'd rather see this as a bimonthly break. I still think we should keep it at $25 - more affordable for more members.



Now, here is something I'd like to talk about that hasn't been brought up yet. Right now the rule says that everyone must take 1 team from each sport. What would you guys think about changing this so that anyone can take a team from any sport in any round, as long as all their teams don't all come from the same sport? I think this would make the drafting process a lot more interesting, while at the same time allowing members who may not collect one or more of the sports to not have to end up with cards they do not want.

I think part of the allure of being able to pick from 1 sport is the chance to get cards from a sport you may not buy much of. The trading part should take care of this for people who do not want a team from 1 sport.
maple19
I like the by-monthy You can get better boxes better Hits

And Snake Draft

I still in for Sure

mike
road_runner_1964
I am in, I will make comments later.
mjda
QUOTE(pavi39 @ Jul 8 2009, 10:31 AM)
I would reverse 4 & 5.  Elway was drafted by the colts, but I would rather see him going to the Broncos.  Just one example I can think of.  You may not have this problem if he is pictured as a Bronco, but I'd rather make sure he goes to the team he's most known for than the one who drafted him


I agree with this as well, and I'm sure other members would too. #4 was mainly meant for players in their college uniforms, or some other type of uniform (olympic uniforms).
Canucksfan1812
I would keep it a monthly thing with the same price...

As for the Drafting order, I'm fine with anything cause it's really up to the boxes to deliver.

I think we should keep it as a one team per sport thing....since trading takes care of people wanting the same sport.

BTW...I'm in again!
Karlitos Way
I'm in. Thanks for the invite.

Cool with the draft order and distribution. Like the Bi-Monthly idea for $50.

As for the one team from each sport rule... If it was lifted it could actually open up the possibility for more trades (trading/trading for two teams in the same sport for a better team in any sport, etc.). Just a thought...
mikeadd10
I don't know if I'll be able to stick in this Break as much as I really enjoyed my time in this break I don't think I'll be able to continue.

Good Luck to all those involved (I may be back in a couple of months)

Thanks for everything Micheal,

Michael
mjda
QUOTE(Karlitos Way)
As for the one team from each sport rule... If it was lifted it could actually open up the possibility for more trades (trading/trading for two teams in the same sport for a better team in any sport, etc.). Just a thought...


Actually, right now you don't have to keep one team from each sport. You only have to draft one team from each sport. If you wanted to trade all 4 of your teams for 1 other team, that would be fine also.

QUOTE(mikeadd10 @ Jul 8 2009, 06:17 PM)
I don't know if I'll be able to stick in this Break as much as I really enjoyed my time in this break I don't think I'll be able to continue.

Good Luck to all those involved (I may be back in a couple of months)

Thanks for everything Micheal,

Michael


Sorry to see you go Mike. PM me whenever you feel like you want to join the group again, when/if that time comes.
mjda
chrome421 has stated via PM that he will take one of our available spots. I've also invited him to join our discussion in this topic about the changes.
chrome421
Card Distribution

I agree with a previous poster that 4 and 5 should be swapped.

4) The cards will go to the team the player was drafted to.
5) The cards will go to the team the player played for the longest (or is best known for).

Draft Order

Snake draft is the most fair way to make sure teams with low draft spots at least get to draft early in the next round.

Break Months

$25 per month or $50 every other month sounds good to me. I would prefer $25 per month, but I understand the drafting process is time consuming and the product choices are not as strong with only $25 per person.


My opinion on what sport you must draft...

I would personally not have a problem with people drafting all football teams, and not taking a baseball or basketball team for example. The reason I think this is fair is because it allows you to take the best available team when it is your turn to draft regardless of the sport. Instead of being forced to take the 23rd best basketball team for instance, the 12th best baseball team may be a better option for you even though you already drafted a baseball team earlier.
yodude91
count me in
Axe725
I"m in again whatever obtions are chosen is fine with me
joey244
I'm in again, as for the rule changes I like these ideas.

1) The cards will go to the team printed on the card.
2) The cards will go to the team pictured in the uniform.
3) The cards will go to the team the player currently plays for.
4) The cards will go to the team the player was drafted to.
5) The cards will go to the team the player played for the longest (or is best known for).
I like this but I too think we should change 4 and 5

Draft Order
Snake is fine with me.

Break Months
I like the monthly break at $25, if this changed to a bi-monthly $50 group I would have to drop out

I would like to keep it at one sport per draft. Trades should take care of those folks wanting more than one team in a certain sport.
sahetu
I is out!
mjda
QUOTE(sahetu @ Jul 9 2009, 07:47 AM)
I is out!


Hate to see you go Andrew! sad.gif If you ever want back in the group, just shoot me a PM and we'll get you on the waiting list (if there is one laugh.gif).
mwagner24
You know I'm back Mike...I love the hit!

AS for the future months...I am going into high school and my $$ is on a budget...so I would not be able to participate in the $50 break....I agree with snake draft.....I also think people should have the freedom of what sports to take team in......as long as one sport has no team taken and one sport has all taken......thanks mike and can't wait to join again!
mjda
QUOTE(mwagner24 @ Jul 9 2009, 11:36 AM)
You know I'm back Mike...I love the hit!


I'm glad you like it! I'll have to practice some more and try to make more in the future. Maybe next time I won't really cut up my clothes or favorite hat though! laugh.gif If I'm going to use official "break worn" swatches I'm going to have to start wearing some old clothes, or maybe even the same ones each month with holes in 'em. laugh.gif

Guys, I'll tally the votes up when I get home this evening to know for sure, but so far it looks like for the most part people are good with the card distribution (with 4 and 5 reversed). It looks like most want to see the snake draft. It also seems most want to keep this as a monthly group at $25 per spot. As for the team selection, it seems most want to keep it how it is drafting 1 team from each sport and allowing the trades at the end.

Remember, if you don't give us your opinion we have no choice but to assume you're ok with whatever everyone else decides. Again, if you have anything you'd like to add to the proposed ideas, or add another idea of your own this is the time to do it.
Canucksfan1812
QUOTE(mwagner24 @ Jul 9 2009, 09:36 AM)
You know I'm back Mike...I love the hit!

AS for the future months...I am going into high school and my $$ is on a budget...so I would not be able to participate in the $50 break....I agree with snake draft.....I also think people should have the freedom of what sports to take team in......as long as one sport has no team taken and one sport has all taken......thanks mike and can't wait to join again!
*



High school???or do you mean university??
northicehero99
I am in.

I am ok with Card Distribution method.

Snake, I am going to oppose it. As I stated with 30 people it is less fair than random. If you have 15 people it is more fair but with 30 people picking, nearly two whole sports can be cleared before the final 15 members get their second pick. Say you draft 15th in the first round then you do not draft again until 45th. With this method you better hope your first pick is the right one as the second one is going to be pretty far off for picking a good team.

Picking more than 1 team from a sport I vote NO. If you snake, then the majority of the teams in a sport could disappear before some members get second picks or even first picks for late 1st round drafters. I would leave as is, that you have to trade for an additional team in a sport.

mjda
My votes are pretty much in line with yours too Brian, especially on the draft order. However, it looks like we're going to be outvoted. laugh.gif
mjda
booth9919 has confirmed via PM that he will take one of our empty slots.
northicehero99
QUOTE(mjda @ Jul 9 2009, 06:13 PM)
My votes are pretty much in line with yours too Brian, especially on the draft order. However, it looks like we're going to be outvoted. laugh.gif
*


Well if that is the way the vote goes then that is the way it goes. All I can do is state why I am opposed to it, and hope others agree with me in theory. laugh.gif
maple19
I don,t like were you can pick 4 teams from the same sport ..

mike
dekno2
Ill take the #16 spot since its open
mjda
Thanks Chris! I've got you down! Please feel free to chime in with your opinions on the topics at hand.
bob_TCC
Just want to make sure that I'm clear...

This group box break won't be happening in July, correct?

-Bob
mjda
That's right Bob. We'll be kicking it off again in August. I wanted to take the month off to talk about some changes it seemed everyone wanted to make. Also, I'll be gone for a week at the end of the month so I wouldn't be around to help the draft along, or even make my own picks. I also sent you a PM a few weeks ago about the files for the draft board. I need to update those with a few changes that would allow me to make people's picks for them if possible.
mjda
If your name isn't in bold in the original post, you still need to confirm that you are keeping your spot in the group for August.

Also, if you'd like to have any say at all in the topics at hand, please give your input now. We will be going with the majority on all of the issues. If you do not respond, we'll have to assume that you are fine with whatever the rest of the group decides on.
THUNDER9
I'm done - no offense to anyone in the group. Just bad luck in the random draft - and the drafting process is too looooong! You want to REALLY make it interesting (and completely fair) randomize all the teams, by sport, to everyone. Then you'd have no idea what team you're getting, and there would be no week (or longer) draft process! Some of the best hits have come from teams nobody really cared about. Anyways, good luck and mucho mojo to you all!
mjda
I hate to see you go Jeff, but understand your points. However, just as unfair you felt the random draft for each round was, I don't see how giving everyone a random team would be any better. I know I like having the opportunity to pick the teams I want each month.
mjda
crpalmi has stated via PM that he will also no longer be a part of this group. We now have 2 spots available. If you would like to join the group, please let us know by posting here in the thread or feel free to PM me.
josh3302
I'll be in again, and will pay double due to you covering me last month. As for the rules for the group heres what I think

Team LISTED on the card it should go to. If you made it the team they currently play for you may pick a team to get a certain player and then that player gets pulled but let's say is traded 5 days before the break. That would absolutley not be fair.

Break months:

If we up it to $50 even if we do the break every other month then I will have to withdraw from the group. Even though I'd still be paying $50 within two months. I am on a $50 budget every month, so doing the break every month I have $25 left over.

Draft Order:

Snake is the way to go. Only fair way at this point. I would say Random 1 and 3 like Steve said and snake 2 and 4
DCool
I like the proposed changes with regards to drafting. I am also favorable to a $50 bi-monthly break, so we can get a better selection of boxes. Count me in smile.gif
mjda
Still looking for a few more to verify that they'll be in for August, and share their thoughts on the topics at hand.

Attention: If you would like to join the group, we have 3 slots available. Simply post here or feel free to PM me.
mjda
I was just thinking, it might also not be a bad idea to start talking boxes. I'll post up a tentative list tonight at some point. In the mean time, what do you guys think about breaking Icons football? I'd really like to get a look at the product, but it could also mean randoms. It's also pretty "hit or miss" from what I've seen. I'd still like to try it, but give me your thoughts. I was thinking 1 box of Icons and 1 box of Classics as our football boxes.

Also, I was thinking that for the sports that don't have any new products, we might start digging back a good ways at older products that have already dropped in price to help maximize the number of hits/inserts we can get. Cheaper boxes equals more boxes!
mjda
Here is a tentative list of boxes that could be opened in August. Let me know what you guys think. I know the Topps Finest is a repeat product, but I really liked it as a baseball pick. Obviously, we can change it if everyone else disagrees.

Baseball

2009 Topps Finest - $95.99 (blowout)
2009 Upper Deck Piece Of History - $52.95 (dacardworld)
2009 Upper Deck Icons - $75.99 (blowout)

Basketball

2008-09 Fleer - $51.95 (dacardworld)
2007-08 Topps Luxury Box - $74.95 (dacardworld)

Football

2009 Upper Deck Icons - $78.99 (blowout)
2009 Donruss Classics - $79.95 (dacardworld)

Hockey

2007-08 Upper Deck Sweet Shot - $55.95 (dacardworld)
2008-09 Fleer Ultra - $36.95 (dacardworld)
2008-09 Upper Deck Ice - $71.99 (blowout)

Total: 10 Boxes! - 38 Hits! - $675.66
chrome421
As primarily a football collector, those football boxes seem like the ones to break for August. As far as the Fleer Ultra Hockey, perhaps we could get rid of that and put that money ($36.95) towards upgrading another product. Keep in mind, I do not know much about hockey cards and I do not know how good or bad Fleer Ultra hockey is. Just seems like we may be better off canning that product if we can make better use.

Let me know what you guys think?
mjda
QUOTE(chrome421 @ Jul 16 2009, 07:54 PM)
As primarily a football collector, those football boxes seem like the ones to break for August. As far as the Fleer Ultra Hockey, perhaps we could get rid of that and put that money ($36.95) towards upgrading another product. Keep in mind, I do not know much about hockey cards and I do not know how good or bad Fleer Ultra hockey is. Just seems like we may be better off canning that product if we can make better use.

Let me know what you guys think?


That sounds fine to me. I'm up for whatever the group wants to do!
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2014 Invision Power Services, Inc.