I went to Target today and saw the box there. Normally they do not sell sealed boxes and it is just by the pack. I happened to see a sealed Retail Bowman Chrome Box and said, wow, I wonder how much it is. I go to the checkout counter and they say it does not show up in the system. The cashier goes "how much are you ok with". My reply was I honestly don't know. She said how about $5. Immediatly I was thinking this can't be right, but I said sure why not. So thats the story which follows with a very nice break

24 Packs (Retail)

Tyson Jackson X-Fractor RC /250
Pat White RC
Johnny Knox RC
Josh Freeman RC
Patrick Turner Green REF RC /99
Michael Crabtree RC
Marion Barber III Gold REF /50
Matt Stafford REF RC

And the 1:1,025 pack hit

Mike Wallace Auto RC

All FT. Thanks for the look and read

Steal!!!

I need the Stafford and Crabtree.

Josh I think your reply was incorrect, you did know. Considering blasters sell for $9.99 or $19.99, you knew that box was not $5. Actions like that are why retailers are discontinuing selling cards, beyond that you pretty much "stole" that box. That was probably a retail box for pack sales, which should have been worth $50+ depending on how many packs at $3 each. Deception on the price is just as much "theft" as it is to have stuffed it in your backpack and paid nothing.

Sorry I have nothing positive to state on this break.

i agree. not cool.

hopefully the teller is not held responsible for that.

The only thing you could do to make that break any better is to take the empty box and stuff it with paper towels and reseal the box and pull the plastic tight over it and return it to the unwitting cashier. Bring a receipt for an expensive item and tell that that is what you paid for it! Since you are already dishonest you might as well just continue. (end sarcasm)

I agree 100% NIH. I am starting to be quite disappointed with some of the members of this site. We have a few blatant pack searchers and dishonest thieves. In any psychology test one of the first questions that is asked is, "If you found a wallet on the street what would you do with it?" I think we know what Josh3302 would do with it. I just hope it is not my wallet!

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The repacking method I spoke about at the beginning of this post happened to me with some blasters of Fleer Ultra hockey I purchased at Target earlier this year. I bought half a dozen and every single one was stuffed with 90-91 ProSet hockey commons wrapped in paper towels.

I brought a retail box of cards from Target up to the teller and asked how much the box was. She told me I had to pay MSRP for the 24 packs in the box. So the price ended up being around $20 more than a hobby box of cards. I ended up buying a couple blasters and walking away happy. $5.00 is way to cheap of a price. The teller would be in deep dodo.

Then again I am not exempt from this. I have done some stupid things in my life too, like returning open packs and boxes of cards that I didn't like. They took the returns, but I knew something was not right. We all have our mistakes, but we have to learn from them. Don't do it again or the Target may think that Cards are not the best investment and dump their line all together.

My brother is not that kind of person. He could have easily said $1 or something but instead he told the cashier I am honestly not sure. The cashier responded with a price not him. He may have made a mistake, but I don't like people thinking of my brother as a theif. He is not a theif. He made a mistake, people make mistakes. He will learn from it. That statement you made was blatently wrong and just not right on your part. Don't ever talk about my family like that.

Hey, does anyone know what group chris beanie wells is in? And what the odds are?

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hey, not your fault, the box should have been opened for retail sale, thats a mistake on their part first of all. would you have said "oh lets see, I think I should pay about 50 dollars for this?" NO. He got giddy when they said 5 bucks so he took it.

True, it was their fault for not opening it.

Any regular collector knows that $5.00 for a full box of cards equals someone getting in trouble. That is a very dis-honest thing and should not have occured. It is obvious this lady knew nothing about the price of cards and was put in a situation that will now result in a negative for the store and will count on her register.

If that were me, there is no way I would have done that for $5.00....that is just bad judgement and another reason the hobby is going to heck in a hand basket.

I am not sorry to say this, you are a thief. No two ways about it. You know that the packs are sold separately and there is no way that new box would be $5. You need to go back there and pay the difference between $5 and the cost per pack times the number of packs. Just remember, what comes around goes around. And when it comes back to get you, she is usually pretty vicious. And that is from experience.

I don't get why somebody would come on here bragging about stealing from a retail environment like that. May as well just shoplift next time.

Right back at you... theif. Don't care that it may have been .25, but the fact you couldn't compensate the guy is quite scary, for just a quarter

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Dont throw stones at glass houses my man...............His issue is his issue, wrong yes, but not like getting a box of cards for the price of a pack and a half..........tis best to admit a mistake, then fire off at another member *yes i know , i know bla bla bla....but lets realize, your in the wrong here. You figure retail is usually 2.99 a pack at 24 packs...that does not equal $5.00.....Just a thought again...........

After re-reading this story, I have full belief that the lady at target did not just say "well how much would you want to pay". I am pretty sure a manager had to be called, with one of those price guns, etc etc etc. I went to target a while back and they had a box of 12 rack packs of 09 prestige. I wanted to buy the box, figuring 12 packs at $5.00 a pack would be 60 bucks, thats no problem for me.......but she had to sell it single pack wise. Not a problem.........

This is not some mom and pop store where the price is just yelled down the isle. My new assumption is that she said how much do these things cost (in a kind fraile old lady type of voice) and you said $5.00 with a big grin on your face.......the manager was then busy and this lady was probably the equal of a csm at walmart so she just rung it up......


Please sleep tonight, think of the sword you put into the hobby......

I have to agree with him.

very true. no other word to call it but theft.

not something to brag about on a site. should be ashamed


doug

What she did was she scanned it and nothing came up, she said was there a price tag where you got this. I said no because there was not. I said not only was there no price tag but there is nothing that states some sort of price on the box itself. She replied, do you happen to know what the price is. I replied no. She said I will put it in as $5, so I said ok.

That is what happened. I know I made a mistake and have learned what I did was wrong, but I am not going to sit around here with people calling me theives.

not theives, unless there are two of you. it would be THIEF

I actually agree with josh here. I will now break up the story.

"She scanned it and nothing came up, she said was there a price tag where you got this. I said no because there was not." - No problem here.

"I said not only was there no price tag but there is nothing that states some sort of price on the box itself." - He clearly states there is no price.

"She replied, do you happen to know what the price is. I replied no." - KEY MOMENT, he does NOT know the price of the box.

"She said I will put it in as $5, so I said ok." - He agrees at what the cashier told him, it was his/her call. The cashier never asked josh for a choice.

Though it is not stealing, it is wrong. However, I do not think it is as big of issue as people say it is. Think about this guys:

We complain if our box was shorted hits, but we do not send extra hits in a box back.

it's wrong and stealing.

"We complain if our box was shorted hits, but we do not send extra hits in a box back. "

this isn't an issue between topps and him. it is between a retail store and him. not the same at all. he knew it was worth much more. he knew the cashier didn't. it was deceptive, dishonest, and wrong. was it illegal? no. immoral? heck yes.

you can't sugar-coat this. he knew it was wrong when he did it and he knows now. weak moral fiber. no excuse for that.

plus, it's easy to say that a lesson was learned when he still has the goods in his possession and the store is still shorted 45-50 bucks.

"this isn't an issue between topps and him."

I am not saying it is. I am just comparing the two scenarios.

Secondly, I did state in my last post that josh was wrong. However, there are many other issues that need much more attention: people stealing packs, or opening them at target without paying for them. If this ever went into legal terms in a court, josh would easily win.

I purchased on item that was on the shelves. When it is on the shelves it is for sale. If it wasn't supposed to be for sale, it would not have been on the shelf

yep, I am on your side

whatever. you justify it however you want, josh. it is between you and god. you know what you did. you can call it whatever you want, but it was dishonest. so maybe you aren't a thief, just a liar. you cheated target by omitting that you knew that the teller did not know the price and you knew it was WAY more than what you paid. i won't comment again. i feel sorry for you, though. and the hobby is worse for having you in it.

now that i am done, you can resume telling yourself, and anyone that will listen, that you are not a morally deficient person but you know that you are. congratulations on your $5 "steal".

wow otter, that post was cold I am not gonna lie lol...

Guys, I understand what I have done is wrong. Now it is in the past and have to deal with the fact that what I did was wrong. I know some things I can do to fix it would be to return the box, but they will not allow you to return opened cards, because a very long time ago, we opened a box that did not have what we were supposed to get, they said sorry but we cannot allow you to return opened cards. So that being out of the question. From now on if I see a sealed box that I think is supposed to be sold by the pack, I will tell a store employee or manager about it, to let them know that it is supposed to be un-sealed. I appologize to anyone who feels what I did was wrong and contributed to ruining the hobby. I mostly appologize to myself for basically ruining my reputation on this site and think I may have to take a short break from this site once I complete all of my pending transactions. Sorry for all of this and hope you all enjoy the rest of your weekend.

Josh, it was your call, Bud. A moral dilemma to be sure. And you've obviously expressed regret for it. In the grand scheme of things it's pretty petty. But these lapses in judgement are what has gotten our country into the mess we are in today. Bankers, investors, et. al. , have chosen to do the wrong thing on a grander scale than your box of chromies. So, for what it's worth, take the feedback here with a grain of salt...lesson learned, and move on. To the bashers out there...get over it! Nobody is perfect and given our chosen addiction, many would have the same weakness in the moment. If you are Holier than Thou, than more power to you. If you want this to be a time to teach a young man an important lesson about making good choices...even better. But stop browbeating him into sedation. Josh, if you want to make some type of retribution, take a bunch of decent star and semistar base cards to the local Childrens hospital - I encourage everyone to do this with the holidays coming up. Nothing brightens the faces of these sick kids like an afternoon of getting lost in a shoebox full of cards and forgetting the pain for awhile.

Well said Thunder, and I thank you for understanding. My parents and I actually recently decided to give all my old toys from when I was little to my high schools Pre-School. So that should go out well for them

Not really, the dishonesty of the customer is the fault. Not the stores.

Why didn't you do this in the first place? Wow.

everytime i have seen a sealed box of retail..(24 pack box)
it either has a price sticker of being discounted 20% or 40%,,and if not there is a barcode on the bottom, and it scans up the price of 24 2.99 packs.

yeah they are starting to do that, which is what i thought.

Either way, its just cards folks and lets not condemn him to hell because of one act (which i dont think was that horrendous).

jeez.

You all are funny. If she offered it to you YOU would have taken it for 5 dollars. People are greedy so dont even say you wouldn't, because if so I can label you as a LIER. same as a thief. I dont like either. But, if the dumb employee was smart she would have contacted a manager to get a price. Therefore, it is her dumb fault. End of story. I just love reading everyone saying oh im God I would hand all the stuff back and say no no no. I'm not trying to get a bad reputation but goodness be honest with yourselves. This is VERY different than finding a wallet. You aren't stealing, he paid what the store asked. If you find a wallet and don't give it back, THATS stealing. He paid as asked, sure its not the right price but you all have big egos if you say you wouldnt take it. Big enough egos to say you are the best and brightest person in the world. I'm a great person and Christian/Follower of God, read the Bible, and do the right thing in situations, volunteer and all of that, but still admit if I was offered a great price like this I would take it. Still this whole thing cracks me up. Nice pickups by the way.

^most sensible explaination. thank you.

I do not think you can label everyone as liars for saying they would not have taken the box at that price. There are people out there who actually do the right thing, but you are right there are those affected by greed as well. It is thanks to those people that our financial markets and economy crashed. What I like about your post is that you call the employee dumb? Really? How in the world do you expect her to know the price of the 10,000 products within the store. Did she make a mistake? Yes, she should have called for a manager or asked him to take it to the service desk. Could he have said, well those boxes sell for $9.99 and $19.99". yes, could he have said, "please call a manager", yes. As others have stated, I thought most of these things would ring up with the total box price, and she should have asked for help and so should have he. Anyway, Josh made a mistake, one that I am sure if he spoke to his parents about they would probably also tell him he did the wrong thing.

I don't think anyone here has big egos, I think most of us were trying to point out the error in his ways and help him understand. You on the other hand lay a high and mighty "christian" quote, yet admit you would do the wrong thing? I really do not want to get into religion as I do not think anyone said he was not a "christian" and I think we all have our faults no matter what religion. I think the basis of most of this was to make him realize what he did was wrong.

Josh good luck with future decisions this is how we grow and mature.

well said, brian.

I probobly will side with Brian and everyone else who did. I understand people's greed, but come on here, you should have known that each pack was $3, and there were 24 packs. Just a simple Multipilcation Problem. Even if she offered it to you, just say i can't accept this. I grantuee you, if you did they might as well given it to you for $5, due to your honest behaviour. Overall Josh you did admit to this mistake and I thank you for it. Let this be a warning to all people!

should have bargained for 4 Giggity!

The reason why I said the Store Worker was dumb was because It is HER fault because she didnt get the manager like in all cases you are supposed to. Therefore she = dumb.

See if the story that the original poster stated is true then he's at fault for knowing the box was not really going to be sold for $5. BUT he was offered $5 and it sounds like the cashier did nothing to verify it, she should have gone to her manager and asked what the price would be...she is at a big fault in this problem as well.

Ethically this is wrong, but I don't think he should be called a thief for this? I do agree that the wrong decision was made at how the situation was handled but I'm sure a lot of people would struggle saying 'no I should definitely pay more than $5' This is more of a moral/ethical dilemma than anything else.



Then the cashier didn't follow correct procedure? All your doing is assuming how the situation went. The only two people that knew exactly what happened are the original poster and cashier. You throwing random theories just makes the story even more confusing...

Please! Sword into the hobby??? I kinda laughed at that one. It's not really a sword into the hobby...it likes a pin prick if that. One 24 pack box of retail football cards isn't a freaking sword into the hobby! Give me a break! Its a ethical issue and nothing more!


Here's a little twist I'd like all the people who criticized the original poster think about...

You go to your local retail place tomorrow (Wal-Mart/Target) and see a box just like the 24 pack box of Bowman Chrome PRICED at $5, would you buy it or take it to someone to let them know you think it is mis priced? Basically the cashier thought the product was $5, so if she was pricing the boxes (if they were selling sealed boxes) and not paying attention she could have conceivably marked it at $5 and then it just would have been a human error. The cashier should have never made a snap judgment, she's just as much at fault as the original poster.

Maybe she was new?

I'm a cashier and sometimes we don't call for management when we would. Regardless, you wouldn't believe what some people will try in regards to prices. If I hadn't been watching good one time a customer would have gotten a $75 TV stand for around $10 or $15 - they took a bar code from a lower-priced item (a big binder) and placed it over the code for the TV stand.

who cares if shes new, its common sense that you call a manager or assistance for a price check.

That situation is wrong for sure, but what bothers me is unawareness....I had an employee do a similar thing and if they were paying attention they would have noticed. A customer replaced an unsigned framed 8x10 price tag and put it on a signed framed 8x10 ($125 difference). Paying attention cuts down on TONS of mistakes!

If the employee has no clue what's going on then they definitely need to get a manager for help.

Still, two wrongs don't make a right.

Didn't mean that by my post Just saying Josh shouldn't be the only one getting criticized here.

then have the store worker do the right thing in the first place, its completely her fault. Josh did what he was ASKED. the end.