I was on sportscarduncensored.com and read a blog about people erasing the autos off cards, then peeling the stickers off, as well as the companies holofoils for authenticity. Here's the page, that has a few blogs about it:

http://www.sportscardsuncensored.com/searc...el/fake%20autos

And video of how it's done:
http://www.voiceofthecollector.com/2009/06...esponse-to.html

There's two eBay sellers that have been identified as selling fake sticker autos: elkridgesportscards and t.wall.

Unfortunately, there are people in this hobby who are dumb enough to believe that these fake's are real, as we see when people buy the fake patches. So of course someone would figure a way to fake sticker autos.

Horrible Eli Manning fake:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...alenotsupported

Note: This topic and included video is not meant to be used for evil.

Confirmed fakers:

elkridgesportscards, t.wall, cardboardgems1, cardcontractor, onlytherare, unknownquarterback7, borninouterspace , bigboydsportscards3, dmarcus8, exquisite-baybuys,supercollectibles77, jns518, papakon51, xxbadabing, modernbreaks, little_victories, cccupps420, jmvariety09, cardboardpimping, eightieschick505

This has been going on for at least a year or so. I have reported numerous auctions of this type to eBay and they are never pulled. Here are 3 other names of eBay sellers who knowingly sell these fake cards. These 3 have sold multiple fake 2006 Bowman Chrome Football cards. They are base cards or refractors w/ a sticker from another Topps card on them. Buyers should be able to tell these apart from the legitimate cards, but they always sell. There is a distinct difference to the front of the card when it is a legitimate autograph issue.

cardboardgems1

cardcontractor

onlytherare

unknownquarterback7

That is why I prefer the non-base card AUs, where the back of the card says the "congrats you pulled an certified Autograph of Duddley Doright". As the sticker with the hologram can be faked, same as card can be faked too though, so one of those if high end. Also suppose there a way to change cards in those "pristine" cases too, as a way around anything after you destroy enough cards to figuire it out, kinda like the fake patches some are more obvious than others.

Cool You got Duddley Doright's Auto? What about Horse?

Rocky's paw print is all I have, and a Mr Wizard CU (cartoon used) wand

Just wanted to add that I can verify Elkridgesportscards has been selling these fake autographs for quite some time now. His 100% positive feedback sure doesn't reflect his willingness to sell fakes does it?! I saved pictures of some of them. I do believe he uses multiple eBay names, including one of the ones I mentioned in the last post.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Matt-Leinart-2006-Bowm...%3A1|240%3A1318

I would also be weary of buying any of the buyback autographs from any of these people as well. There are many of these fakes making the rounds right now. I wouldn't give any of these people any business whatsoever personally.

I believe eBay themselves are playing the part of middlemen in these scams/frauds. Over a year ago I reported an auction that was clearly a regular refractor w/ a fake sticker on it. I used eBay Live Help and was talking live w/ a rep. I showed him a link to a legit refractor autograph of the same person and he saw the difference, his reply was "You're right". The auction wasn't pulled. I warned the winning bidder (that's how long ago it was) the card wasn't legit or originally issued w/ an autograph. They ended up leaving a negative after receiving it and most likely a Paypal refund.

I have reported these cards numerous times to eBay. Always using the correct category and always explaining why these cards are altered fakes. I believe I'm done bringing these things to their attention. While I don't enjoy watching unsuspecting buyers being ripped off, my help is always ignored by eBay. It's a shame that $ is more important to them than customer security.

unknownquarterback7
borninouterspace
bigboydsportscards3
dmarcus8
exquisite-baybuys
cardboardgems1
cardcontractor
onlytherare
supercollectibles77 (see link below, positive feedback left)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=320375710853

These are all eBay sellers who are selling these fakes. Most if not all were politely informed that the cards they were offering for sale didn't originally include an autograph. Most of them ignored me completely. I reported every single one of them to eBay, none were pulled. The authenticity could have been verified easily if they chose to do so.

check this one out from elk....Horrible! but to the untrained eye it would fool most...
Link Here

wow, that is just horrible, everyone has seen AP's auto, so to try to pass that as authentic is just stupid.

I wonder if the secret service would be interested in these ebay accounts...FBI likely wouldn't as it isn't a big enough case...and local police wouldn't likely be willing to get to know the issue well enough...maybe we should form our own agency!! THE FBSC Federal Bureau of Sports Cards...

wowsers, great research everyone! I will definitely need to look harder before I buy autos in the future! I pretty much agree with Urban on this topic, if it doesn't say congratulations on the back I tend to shy away from that card!

Justin

Good informative thread...I just saw the same info on another site. It's a real troublesome trend.

Seems to me that those Topps Lettermen autos would be easy to peel...

Anyway, before you bid your hard-earned money, ask for a scan of the back and...ask the experts at TCC!!!

Yea, I bought a Sonny Weems auto off eBay, and the sticker is kinda up on the corner, like the guy was trying to peel the sticker off, and was failing. He stated it was messed up, and I got it really cheap.

I asked him if I could see a scan of the back...I'll let you guys know what he says.

Only thing I don't like about asking the TCC community is the added exposure to the card which could cause the final price to rise....selfish, yes. But hey at least I'm honest here!

I almost posted a steal thread up yesterday on this awesome card I got for $3 bucks but I didn't want to increase the traffic on this players stuff anymore.

Wow..I have been in this hobby since 1974 and it seems like there is always some kind of new scam.. I wish people like that would just go sell crack..And stay out of my hobby...

This is sad. Things like this make me glad I don't buy high-end cards or from eBay much.

That is the key and what these sellers are counting on. Most people think "OH Wow an Auto of Joe Super Jock Blow and it's only $3". On card forgeries are just as bad, but this sticker thing is easier to do I guess.

I would only get a auto card of a player I collect for my PC with no intentions of ever trying to sell, so I don't go for some of these Super Star Autos anyway.

hahahahahahahahaha

I emailed the
http://cgi.ebay.com/Adrian-Peterson-Gridir...93%3A1|294%3A50
seller and told him off a little bit i wonder what his response is going to be

the one in the first post looks stupid three logos and it looks like a tpops ceretified AU on a DLP cards

the one in the first post looks stupid three logos and it looks like a tpops ceretified AU on a DLP cards

I went and checked stickers on my card, and it looks like it's DLP. Topps has their logo going the other way on their stickers, DLP has theirs going that way on the Eli card.

People like this ruin the hobby. I am glad I don't buy much off of ebay, but now I am going to have to flip every auto card I look at watching for the COA.

Here's a few more names of people selling these fakes.

jns518
papakon51
xxbadabing
modernbreaks


jns518 (pulled the auction when confronted, maybe an honest person?)

http://cgi.ebay.com/2006-REGGIE-BUSH-BOWMA...93%3A1|294%3A50


papakon51 ("I'm as honest as they come". Direct quote from auction)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:X:AAQ:US:1123

xxbadabing

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:X:AAQ:US:1123

modernbreaks

http://cgi.ebay.com/2006-Bowman-Chrome-Gol...93%3A1|294%3A50


bigboydsportscards3(I'm sure you can find many more from this thief)

http://cgi.ebay.com/LAURENCE-MARONEY-2006-...93%3A1|294%3A50

http://cgi.ebay.com/REGGIE-BUSH-2006-BOWMA...93%3A1|294%3A50

http://cgi.ebay.com/BRANDON-MARSHALL-2006-...93%3A1|294%3A50


Last one listed is questionable and may have fooled BCCG.

^^^^

That is really scary...wow!

little_victories

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:X:AAQ:US:1123


Here's a nice conversation w/ papakon51 (copy/paste nothing changed).

Dear papakon51,

"I am as honest as they come" That's a direct quote from your auction. How honest is this auction?

You do realize you are selling a fake/modified card don't you? This card wasn't issued w/ an autograph. The sticker came from another Topps card and the signature is fake. This a regular refractor, not a ref/auto.


Dear iTHCi,

Mind explaining what your accusing me of selling here, since I guess this means you work for the Topps company and can tell fake autographs?? This is not a fake auto...


Dear iTHCi,

Don't try to make me believe that I am selling a fraudulant object. I stand behind all my auctions buddy. Why do u say this LenDale White card wasnt issued with an autograph, I have the Beckett book that says his normal Bowman Chrome RC Auto is #d/199...oh and by the way, type in "lendale white autograph" under the the sportscards category, then compare his topps autographs to his upper deck autographs...the topps autos look completely different I believe from the UD ones... or is it because those are frauds too??? And would you believe the topps autos others have up right now look just like the one I have up for auction? Maybe thats because Bowman Chrome is a Topps company product...give me a break.


Dear papakon51,

Sure, I'll try to explain to you why I KNOW this card wasn't issued w/ an autograph. It came out of the pack as a regular orange refractor. Someone took an auto sticker from another Topps card, forged White's auto, then stuck it on that card and tried to pass it off as a ref/auto. There is no break on the surface of the card starting above where the sticker sits on the card. This is a dead giveaway that the card has been modified. ALL autographs from this set have a distinct look to the front of the card that is different from the regular issued refractors/base cards. Now you need to search for yourself and compare the front of your fake card to legitimate cards. If you are honest you will see the difference, and pull the auction. Check out these links.

http://www.sportscardsuncensored.com/searc...el/fake%20autos

http://www.tradingcardcentral.com/forums/i...howtopic=228106


More than likely I can produce pictures of the original cards before they were modified.

people are getting pretty desprate on ebay....

heres another fake
http://cgi.ebay.com/ADRIAN-PETERSON-MARSHA...alenotsupported

I also think that there is alot of topps uncirculated cards that are fakes out there too.. It would be really easy to switch out the cases.

I'm not so sure the B Marsh is fake...the others yes. But that is how B Marsh signed many of the Bowman Chrome autos and it's in a BCCG case. That one looks real to me.

BCCG is crap. All they look for are creases, dinged corners and scuffs. If none show up, then they make a superficial guesstimate based on centering and surface. And all this takes place within two seconds and then they move on to the next card.

Wow.....
Very saddening....


Thank you for sharing.....
-Jeremy

I came to the conclusion that the ones I listed were fake not because of the signatures, but because of the cards surfaces. Signatures vary of course, I'm aware that BM has a few different looking signatures on these cards.

I do believe now the Marshall is probably real, but his scan leaves me wondering. Regardless, I have posted a few examples from the eBayer in question, and there were many more that I didn't post. The Bowman Chrome Football ones were just what I could spot easily. If you can go back farther in completed (you can just not using eBay) you will find more, and from other sets from this same person.

I believe threads like this, and the post on SCU are a good thing. They seem to educate a small percentage of already decently informed collectors. However, they will most likely not inform the people who are buying the altered cards. How many of these people browse sites like this or will even find the post among the SPAM that seems to be the norm nowadays on forums? The cards usually don't sell for what they would sell for, but they sell. The winning bidders think they received a great deal and try again to flip the card. Not realizing (or maybe just trying to unload after they realize they bought a fake), and the card once again lands on eBay. I've heard from a couple people that are selling these cards that they received them in lots from another collector.

Here's the last reply from papkon51.

Dear iTHCi,

Yah I do see what you mean. Sorry if I came off as a little harsh before. I can see the difference though, as this White "Auto" I did get from "dmarcus8", and I noticed he was on the list of fake-sellers. I live in PA, so next time I stop up in NY, since thats where he is located, I will pay him a visit to his store, if u know what I mean...in the mean time I will take it off for sale of course since I'm not one to sell fakes or anything...and I'm being honest here. If you'd be so kind, can you take a look at a few of the other cards I have up for auction and see if you can tell if they look to be fake...I'm focused right now on the Eli Manning 2004 Playoff Contenders ROY Auto, it looks very different from his regular auto from the Press Pass cards, and his last name appears to be written longer than the press pass version as well, maybe it too is a fake. Also, the Big Ben 2004 UD Rookie Premiere auto i have up is from 'dmarcus8' as well, so can you look at that and tell me if you believe it to be fake. I looked a t facsimile I have on a pennant at my house here and the second 'dash mark' he always puts in his autos usually seems to go perfectly straight and through the 'y' looking thing at the end of the auto, and the one i got from 'dmarcus8' is nowhere close to it, I'm afraid that might be fake as well. Can you look at them and let me know ASAP? One more to check is the Peterson SP Chirography RC Auto I have up, I cant really tell if that one is real or not, since you brought all this up, mainly because there is no '28' in the auto I have, and I noticed like 90% of them have the '28' in them. Take a look and let me know. Thanks again, Joe

- papakon51


I personally believe most of these BC Football ones are made by the same person. And then passed around through trading, eBay, shops, and other ways. Although I have the time, I don't have the desire to sort through his auctions and tell him which ones I believe are altered or real. Do your own research if you are as honest as you say you are BEFORE placing these on eBay. I do have numerous folders full of pictures from completed auctions (both legit and not so legit). It's time consuming to try and find the original picture of 24/25 when someone is trying to pass it off as a autograph the 2nd time around. And it's really no longer my problem.

This problem isn't going to get any better because of a post here or there. It won't reach the intended audience this way. The people who need to be educated simply aren't looking here.


cccupps420

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...sid=p2759.l1259

That modernbreaks bush auto is an obvious fake, as he states:

"Card has Topps Certified Auto Hologram on back!"

Why would you even have to put that in the description, if it was real?

Looking at these two from a Writing Linguistics's point of view, and the pen pressure and lifts are completely different.

jmvariety09 (plenty of other questionable cards in completed auctions, buybacks, rookie premier, etc).


http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-BOWMAN-CHROME-ADR...3%3A10|294%3A50

eightieschick505 (many other questionable cards in their auctions)

http://cgi.ebay.com/2006-Bowman-Chrome-Aut...93%3A8|294%3A50


cardboardpimping

http://cgi.ebay.com/ADRIAN-PETERSON-2007-B...93%3A5|294%3A50


finestcard519 (99% sure this is fake, poor picture)

http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-Adrian-Peterson-B...93%3A2|294%3A50


elkridgesportscards, t.wall, cardboardgems1, cardcontractor, onlytherare, unknownquarterback7, borninouterspace , bigboydsportscards3, dmarcus8, exquisite-baybuys,supercollectibles77, jns518, papakon51, xxbadabing, modernbreaks, little_victories, cccupps420, jmvariety09, cardboardpimping, eightieschick505.

I think the last AP looks real.

"I think the last AP looks real".


Just goes to show how some people can be so easily fooled by this type of fraud.


I sent two polite emails to finestcard519 asking for better pictures of the front and back. Both requests were ignored. I only received a reply after he took the listing down.

"Sorry it is no longer available for sale. thank you for your interest."

"no sir....it was real. Had Hologram on back and was a certified auto. It was probably gem mint so you will see it again graded on here!"

"Nice try my man....I have no clue who you think you are but I don't sell fake items. a local dealer bought it to send in to BGS. You look like an idiot talking to powersellers like you have a clue. Get a new hobby boss, and leave selling NICE, REAL, HIGH END cards to us real ebayer's. 14 feedback and you can accuse a 100% 5 year vet of doing the above????? Go blank yourself my friend and quit emailing me!"


More from borninouterspace (more in auctions)

http://cgi.ebay.com/2006-Bowman-Chrome-Gol...93%3A1|294%3A50

I really think it's moronic that these people keep mentioning that the hologram sticker is on the back. If these cards were real, then there is no reason to put that in the listing. Of all the autos I've bought on eBay, not one of them had that listed in the description, reason being, they are real autos. I guess they think that if they tell people that, they will believe it, and unfortunately they will. "Look ma! The sticker is on the back, so it must be real!"

We need to add another one to the list: blackberrycards

Item number: 250446823254
http://cgi.ebay.com/ADRIAN-PETERSON-CALVIN...alenotsupported

Item number: 260430916394
http://cgi.ebay.com/ADRIAN-PETERSON-MARSHA...alenotsupported

Item number: 260430916429
http://cgi.ebay.com/TRENT-EDWARDS-2007-TOP...alenotsupported


There's alot more fake rookie premiere autos listed...

It's a shame it has to be this way, especially w/ such blatant and obvious fakes like the sticker fraud. Paypal will cover these and issue a refund in the buyers favor if you bought any of these. Just make sure you follow all the rules, take pictures to cover your butt (don't forget the original auction pictures). If I had the money I would buy every one of these that I saw and do just that. I would also make sure to leave these sellers negative feedback and make sure you give them the proper DSR feedback as well. Unless the card manufacturers and eBay are just letting these people hang themselves and are really doing a thorough investigation this is the only option I see to put a damper on these fraudulent sellers.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:X:RTQ:US:1123



Dear fyffe937,

This card is a fake. You know that right...


Dear iTHCi,

I bought the card off ebay.the card has the sticker with auto on it and is serial #'d in silver on the back.You tell me what's fake about it Mr. card inspector.If you don't want it Don't bid or tell me some crap about it.if it's fake i'll make it right with whoever.i don't believe it's fake!!!


Dear fyffe937,

I tell you what, send the card into Beckett (BGS) to get graded. If that exact same card comes back to you in a graded beckett case and is verifiable as a LEGITIMATE AUTOGRAPH ISSUE, I'll buy it off of you and you can name the price. Sounds like a win/win to me. Does that sound good to you? Check the link below and post a picture of your card there if you'd rather do it that way. Be sure to include a picture of the back as well. I'LL BE GLAD TO PROVE TO YOU THAT THE CARD IS FAKE. YOU PICK ONE OF THE WAYS ABOVE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE IT PROVEN. Name the seller who sold it you also

http://www.tradingcardcentral.com/forums/i...ic=228106&st=40


Dear iTHCi,

Here's who i bought the card from Unknownquarterback7 he has 203 + sales and a 98.6 rating take it up with him maybe he'll care a little more.I took the card off ebay because i sold it today to a dealer.If you want to talk to him about it i'll give you his id also!!!


Dear fyffe937,

You cared or you wouldn't have pulled it. I don't need to take anything up w/ him. He's already been confronted. Unknownquarterback7 has sold many fakes and is on that list in the link I sent you. You will be on that list now too. You are just as guilty as him because you tried to pass a fake forged card as a legitimate one. I told you it was fake and you replied w/ nothing but foolishness. I even backed up the fact that it was a fake. IF you sold that card to local dealer (I don't believe you)you knowingly sold a fake card. If you don't feel bad about trying to rip people off that's up to you. But that's exactly what you did or tried to do to an unsuspecting buyer on eBay.


Dear iTHCi,

keep talking you're wasting your time you can put me on any list you feel like!!i pulled the card because i sold it and i don't need to explain myself to YOU or ANYone else.I Don't rip people off.If it was fake it was THE best looking card i have ever seen,The card was real!


Dear fyffe937,

You really aren't that bright are you? That's a rhetorical question, no need to answer.

http://www.donruss.com/checklists.cfm

Click Football, 2007, Donruss, Threads, Silver Century Proof. It's card number 106 numbered out of 100. None of these were issued w/ an autograph. There is also no mention of the card being autographed on the back of your card. People putting stickers from other cards on regular base cards is a pretty popular scam right now. You either fell for the scam or you're just too thick to get it. You left feedback when you bought it so you obviously fell for a forged autograph. You tried to pass it off again so you're obviously a thief like the seller who sold it to you. I've proven to you the card is an altered fake. Sure, I'll take the name of the "dealer" you sold it to. Peace

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I've wasted way more time and energy than I should have on a person like this. If eBay would have taken action against Unknownquarterback7 the card wouldn't have been passed on to this moron. It was reported to them then as well. Seems ironic to me that the moron who ended up w/ the fake was the same person I was trying to protect when I reported the card the first time. Oh well "Some men you just can't reach".

He must not have read the forum, if he's saying he bought it from unknownquarterback7, and we clearly have him on our faker's list.

bojack18


http://cgi.ebay.com/Adrian-Peterson-07-Bow...93%3A1|294%3A50


This is the same card finestcard519 was selling in the post above. I have no doubt it's a fake now.

More from elkridgesportscards (questionable buybacks as well)


http://cgi.ebay.com/Vince-Young-2006-Bowma...93%3A1|294%3A50


More from t.wall


http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-BOWMAN-CHROME-ADR...93%3A2|294%3A50

At least no no one has big on the AP yet.

Too late.

Yea, I just don't see how some people can think that's a real auto...

That AP looks so fake. Haha. How do you know the Young is fake above it?