Let me start off on the right foot by saying i really do appreciate the collector zone team members and how much they help the site. All of them are generous and helpful people. I've just had a few inncidents that I think could be improved. If you are the person that did this please know that I have no problem with you and I know you were probably just trying to help. Just some constructive critizism to possibly help the site. Well, one time (and I know this happened to a lot of people) my banner/signature was deleted out of no where. Apparently it was too big. Now I understand the frusteration that large banners cause and I have no problem fixing it. But coming out of no where, without an e-mail reminder and deleting it? At least an e-mail was the least that could have been done. I would have much rather the moderator came out and tols me so I could have fixed it, but now I have to start over. The banner was hard work and was deleted by who ever made it for me. I could have simply resized it if I got an e-mail.
Another time I had a poll for the regions that TCC members live in. It didn't include the usual north,south,east, west, midwest. I decided to make it more user specific and add regions like: great lake, mid-atlantic, and different "sub regions" So I post it and the next hour I come back and some sections have been deleted or renamed to fit the CZT members opinion on how it should be. No e-mail in sight... Honestly, that was my post, I could name the regions whatever I wanted. If they had their wn opioin on what they should be named, start you own poll. Now I appreciate the fact that you might have been trying to help. But at least clear it up with an e-mail.

Sorry about the rant I just wanted to voice my opinion. But please don't take this the wrong way. I really to appreciate what the moderators do on this site, I just thought a little democratic checks and balances was neccesary.

Parker,

When exactly did your two examples take place?

-Bob

I didn't record the dates...but both were middle to late 08.

So, why bring the issue up on 3/8/09?

In my 35 years of living, I've learned to focus on today and then let the past be the past and the future happen when it happens.

-Bob

Just because it is in the past doesn't mean that it has changed. If it happened yesterday I still would be the same issue.

Let me be a little more clear... Please spend your time enjoying today - including TCC - and stop worrying about minor issues that took place months ago or even yesterday.

Honestly, I realize that I haven't been able to be around as much lately due to the demands of the "real world". However, I've been around enough to notice that some of our members are spending too much time making mountains out of mole hills.

Life is short and has its share of big, life-affecting issues. Let's not waste too much energy and time on things that are rather unimportant in the grand scheme of things!

-Bob

Well put Prez

I am not making a mountain out of a mole hill. I just thought maybe this will show CZT members how important communication is because maybe they don't see it the same way as me and other memebers.
Thanks

While communication is important, I think Bob is right on this one. If you wanted to make an issue out of this, you should have brought it up right when it happened, not months later. Obviously CZT members are always looking to make TCC better, and I hope that they will communicate when it is necessary, but I don't think that a huge issue needs to be made of this.

Actually, Parker, you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Furthermore, I think it's safe to assume that members of the Collector Zone team understand the importance of communication. In fact, the volunteers that make up the Collector Zone team have spent countless hours of their time working to faciliate communication between members of the Collector Zone community - ranging from setting expectations about what type of communication is acceptable to aiding in the communication necessary to resolve issues with collector-to-collector transactions.

Might I suggest that communication is a two-way street that involves listening as well? For example, your signature is once again wider than the guidelines that have been documented for quite some time.

-Bob

*boggles*

While the posts on here suggest that i am making a mountain out of a mole hill. I strongly believe that I am, in fact, not. As I started out the post saying how much I appreciate the moderators. You guys don't understand that I am not trying to bring up issues about those specific events. I am, as you said Bob, using them as examples. I nener intened for this to become a huge issue I just wanted to make a simple suggestion to increase the ease of use and enjoyment on this site. I knew that this post would be taken the wrong way and that some people might find this offensive. These issues and this overall matter is not and was never a serious issue with me. I just wanted to shed some light on the fact. I think it is not me but the recent posts that have turned this from a small suggestion to a small fight. I am not in the mood for fighting and never intened for this thread to turn into that.

Ugh.

-Bob

Also please don't get the idea that i'm trying to be a rebel and go against the higher authority. I'm just making a suggestion...in the "suggestion box"

It seems like your not following what i'm trying to say.

Just wondering - if these things happen quite a while ago why didn't you bring them up before??

I have found your Poll thread

http://www.tradingcardcentral.com/forums/i...ic=198514&st=20

If you want communication.. Look at the confusion your original choices mustve have caused by members posts!

Indy did effectively communicate with you in the very last post in the thread!

You even mention yourself as being short-sighted about some POLL options on page 1..

I see no harm, no foul.. Bad example to bring up In my opinion!

Rather a good example of indy being helpful!

BTW you posted that originally on 1/9/09!! That is only two months ago.

I spent an hour going thru your earliest topics trying to find it!

I'm following you, Parker. I just wish you'd stop defending your reason for posting this topic long enough to read what I've actually said in response.

Let me add one additional comment...

I fully understand that the Collector Zone team members can always do a little better - just as I can always do a little better and just as each and every member can always do a little better. However, in the end, we're all human beings and we'll make a few mistakes and we'll always have situations where we could have handled things better. Understanding that concept helps one to see a mole hill - not a mountain.

-Bob

FOR EVERYONE SAYING "WHY DIDN'T I BRING THIS UP EARLIER" IT'S BECAUSE THIS TOPIC IS NOT ABOUT THESE SPECIFIC EVENTS! I HAVE SAID IT MANY TIMES. THEY ARE JUST EXAMPLES.

Parker,

There's no reason to yell (ALL CAPS and bold).

By the way, I always find it interesting that words like "power" and "higher authority" are used to describe members of the Collector Zone team. Ironically, the members of the Collector Zone team are individuals who really don't think in those terms. A phrase that my parents used to say - "this is going to hurt me more than you" - is actually more along the lines of how the Collector Zone team members view their role. In other words, we generally despise having to "exercise power".

-Bob

I honestley wasnt yelling. I was just making it noticable since people keep asking the same question. I think this topic can be closed because now it is no longer about the issue it's about my word use.

People took it the wrong way, just as I thought they would do.

Parker,

If you knew this topic would likely be "taken the wrong way" before you ever posted the topic, then that's just one more reason why I have to wonder why you posted the topic today.

Of course, I realize that the issue is with how others are reacting to the topic - not the fact that you posted the topic in the first place.

-Bob

A wise man ( ) once said:

Life is short and has its share of big, life-affecting issues. Let's not waste too much energy and time on things that are rather unimportant in the grand scheme of things!

So, I'm now going to heed that advice and move on to other topics. I'll see Parker and everyone else around the Collector Zone - well, as much as work allows me to at the moment.

-Bob

Do you remember learning about Martin Luther? The man who broke away from the Cathloic Church and started Lutheranism. Well he posted a list of 95 Theses on the church door. He worded it very carefully for the fear of being persecuted by the Catholic Pope. Even though he did that, he was still hunted down.

Did you just compare yourself to Luther?

I compared my situation to his.
maybe this can be closed, it's not amounting to anything good.

Granted you said you appreciate what the CZT do here in first part of post. But with all the bashing as of late on the CZT (who are volunteers and spend a lot of time trying to help folks on here), it really is not suprising if they as a whole will get defensive, that and bringing up old issues as an example really not something one can change as it is way in the past. Granted one will usually get more negative feedback than positive (as in if you like a resterant you will tell your friends, if you don't like a resterant you will tell them and everyone else you know), but IMHO the CZT have been getting way too much flak as of late for someone who isn't getting paid for their time.

Dwight

bashing?

Brother,

First off Im not trying to be critical.

Secondly, I understand your concerns fully!

Being a member of the CZT I try to weigh every decision I make in the eyes of the members I might be affecting, the perception my actions will derive and if I effectively communicated enough to handle the situation!

I can propably cite numerous examples to you where I made a quick hook or over moderated a situation, some justified later ..some not. it is not an easy position to be in.

In another thread I compared being a parent and a manager of a workforce to being part of the CZT team. There are a ton of similarities to each, Parent vs CZT and work Manager vs CZT, but a common result of actions is always going to be that someone isnt going to like the end result .

The common denominator for a successful resolution is communication! In the case of a notice of too large of a signature, a PM is usually sent and then the CZT member may wait a duration before taking action himself/herself! In the case of a thread that needs editting , communication most likely happens inside the thread and maybe a follow up PM!

Please communicate! Its a two way street. There is a "report a Post" button on all threads that directly PM EVERY member of the CZT when pressed! A little note to us about the whys wheres and hows is important , don't assume that we know exactly what your asking, be specific!

All of the hoopla in the last couple of weeks about suspensions, this that and the other. But in time, all of that was taken care of by the CZT.

I can understand feeling frustrated with some things that happen. Instead of this topic - since you yourself felt it would be read in the wrong manner - it might have been best to have PMed a CZT member you trust the most and ask if he/she could find out why those things happened.

Thanks
I haven't been on that much this past month, so i wouldnt know about the suspensions. Maybe that had to do with why this was taken in a negative way.

I can understand being a bit upset with having a post restructured (your Poll) without notice--thats just not right unless it's a post that does not conform to the Rules and Regs you agreed to upon joining TCC.

This being said I can see also being upset with your Banner or whatever being removed without warning----but then again if you did agree to the rules then you were aware it may happen. If the rules were not read and blindly agreed to--whos fault is it ? Kinda like signing any written agreement (without reading it) then being surprised when you violate it and reprucussions follow.

This being said could you have been notified at your Banner being to big and to change it ? sure------Did the team member who deleted it have the authority to do so without warning ? sure---you agreeing to the terms of use gave them the right. What we as members need to realize is that each and every CZT member is also an individual---and as being an individual each and every one may have handeled your situations differently----thats why it's important as members to distinguish problems with CZT as individuals compared to CZT as a single entity. now I'm confused

Thank you for understanding. But once again these are just examples. This post isn't about those 2 problems. I also carefully chose the title to include the word some.

Get a hug

100% unnecessary!
I would hope you would edit this post.

You got a problem with hugs?

this needs to be closed

As you wish, mawsstah....