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> TCC is slowing down...., at a scary rate

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QUOTE(bigalexx @ Feb 27 2012, 07:40 PM)
Yea, I still stop in a few times a week but hardly post anymore because it just doesn't seem like anything is happening here anymore. It's a shame.
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No offense, but I think too many people do this. If your stopping by why not let others know you were here?



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QUOTE(KHarmon @ Feb 28 2012, 09:54 AM)

EDIT:  I am also of the opinion that group breaks have got to the point that they are out of control!!!  It is disappointing to come into the forum, hit the new post button, and then have to scroll through two pages of "transactions" that have been created by group breaks.

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Kris, part of this point is valid, maybe we need to filter sales and trades out of the displayed new topics so that only team members and the parties involved in them see them there. I agree and I see no reason they need to be shown, as they really don't provide any content to anyone other than those involved and the TCC team. Not sure how hard that would be too do, but that might help.

The real issue is other "content" and we seem to be lacking that or at least posts on the content we are getting. That is why the group breaks seem out of control, but in reality there are only a minimal amount going on here as compared to other sites (I get an email blast from a hockey site just about every day on a new group break occurring).



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QUOTE(KHarmon @ Feb 28 2012, 10:54 AM)
I was lurking and reading a few threads when I came across this one.  There are many, many valid points as to why the site has slowed down. 

For me, I haven't been here for a while because I have simply quit collecting for a while.  Economy has nothing to do for my reasoning, it has to do more with the fact that I was totally consumed with my collecting and began to ignore and miss out on other hobbies. 

Another reason I quit collecting is because it got to the point that a lot of folks knew what I collect and wanted a kings ransom for cards I was looking for.  I am thinking of coming back to the site just to kick around and stay connected with the hobby, not necessarily to collect at the moment.  A card company will have to put out a truly unique and AFFORDABLE set to spark my interest again.

EDIT:  I am also of the opinion that group breaks have got to the point that they are out of control!!!  It is disappointing to come into the forum, hit the new post button, and then have to scroll through two pages of "transactions" that have been created by group breaks.

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Not disagreeing but how so do you think group breaks have gotten out of control.

And maybe by doing a version of Itrader and not requiring a transaction thread for every transaction would help clean up things, but the counterpoint to that is those are free pages and thread counts that can be used for potential advertisers of how busy the website is.

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QUOTE(northicehero99 @ Feb 28 2012, 12:36 PM)
Kris, part of this point is valid, maybe we need to filter sales and trades out of the displayed new topics so that only team members and the parties involved in them see them there.  I agree and I see no reason they need to be shown, as they really don't provide any content to anyone other than those involved and the TCC team.  Not sure how hard that would be too do, but that might help. 

The real issue is other "content" and we seem to be lacking that or at least posts on the content we are getting.  That is why the group breaks seem out of control, but in reality there are only a minimal amount going on here as compared to other sites (I get an email blast from a hockey site just about every day on a new group break occurring).
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QUOTE(nlr4434 @ Feb 28 2012, 07:19 PM)
Not disagreeing but how so do you think group breaks have gotten out of control.

And maybe by doing a version of Itrader and not requiring a transaction thread for every transaction would help clean up things, but the counterpoint to that is those are free pages and thread counts that can be used for potential advertisers of how busy the website is.
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I say they have gotten out of control because it seems like everyone is doing one. I know that's not the case, but when I do come to the board and refresh for new posts you can't go half a page without seeing a thread for a group break.

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Some sites are known for just hockey or vintage only others are know for each in it's own thing. We already have a rep for box breaks already. Should we tell people like crpalmi to take his 1017 completed box breaks transactions and just go away ? Like I said before, the vrius problem we had last year made a lot of people go away. Some came back. Others didn't. I hope TCC never becomes the next Beckett.

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QUOTE(finestkind @ Feb 28 2012, 09:35 PM)
Some sites are known for just hockey or vintage only others are know for each in it's own thing. We already have a rep for box breaks already. Should we tell people like crpalmi to take his 1017 completed box breaks transactions and just go away ? Like I said before, the vrius problem we had last year made a lot of people go away. Some came back. Others didn't. I hope TCC never becomes the next Beckett.
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I don't think they should go away, I think there has to be a better way of doing them so they don't show up on the page when you go to "new posts". It is way too cluttered.

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QUOTE(KHarmon @ Feb 28 2012, 10:40 PM)
I don't think they should go away, I think there has to be a better way of doing them so they don't show up on the page when you go to "new posts".  It is way too cluttered.

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Im all for taking away mandatory transaction threads, but as far as group breaks I see why it would get annoying but if you take out those where would the sites traffic be? I assume about 30% less at least

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QUOTE(nlr4434 @ Feb 28 2012, 07:31 PM)
Im all for taking away mandatory transaction threads, but as far as group breaks I see why it would get annoying but if you take out those where would the sites traffic be? I assume about 30% less at least
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Being the trade area of transactions is less than a page, and sales is closer to 4 I'd say more than that. Trading is way down due to a variety of reasons, same as posts on the site.


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QUOTE(urbanmonk @ Feb 28 2012, 11:56 PM)
Being the trade area of transactions is less than a page, and sales is closer to 4 I'd say more than that.  Trading is way down due to a variety of reasons, same as posts on the site.
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Did not want to go too high on the numbers and then be blasted for going so high but I figured group breaks account for a lot of the site's traffic lately

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Did not want to go too high on the numbers and then be blasted for going so high but I figured group breaks account for a lot of the site's traffic lately
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QUOTE(nlr4434 @ Feb 28 2012, 10:31 PM)
Im all for taking away mandatory transaction threads, but as far as group breaks I see why it would get annoying but if you take out those where would the sites traffic be? I assume about 30% less at least
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There was once an old adage that applied here.

"Quality over Quantity".

Granted, that was meant for quality in the posts that were made in a particular thread, but I think it can apply to the traffic here as well. There is, in my honest opinion, a difference between quality traffic on the site and a quantity of traffic on the site. The group breaks are all well and good, but based on your number, 30% of the traffic on the site is being created by a small minority of members in the box breaks. Not saying the group breaks are not an integral and important part of the site, just saying that having page after page of new transactions being created for group breaks clutters the site for those members that come here for something other than group breaks.

Instead of having them on the main traffic page, why not create a Group Break area on the forum that has it's own "box break" and transaction section that is visible to the participants of said breaks?

Essentially, I would be more inclined to be a daily visitor of the site if I didn't have to weed through all of those box break related links to find topics that hold an interest for me.

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It is disappointing to come into the forum, hit the new post button, and then have to scroll through two pages of "transactions" that have been created by group breaks.

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QUOTE(KHarmon @ Feb 29 2012, 01:08 AM)
There was once an old adage that applied here. 

"Quality over Quantity". 

Granted, that was meant for quality in the posts that were made in a particular thread, but I think it can apply to the traffic here as well.  There is, in my honest opinion, a difference between quality traffic on the site and a quantity of traffic on the site.  The group breaks are all well and good, but based on your number, 30% of the traffic on the site is being created by a small minority of members in the box breaks.  Not saying the group breaks are not an integral and important part of the site, just saying that having page after page of new transactions being created for group breaks clutters the site for those members that come here for something other than group breaks.

Instead of having them on the main traffic page, why not create a Group Break area on the forum that has it's own "box break" and transaction section that is visible to the participants of said breaks? 

Essentially, I would be more inclined to be a daily visitor of the site if I didn't have to weed through all of those box break related links to find topics that hold an interest for me.

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Kris, I think there still is quality here otherwise some of us long timers would have left, but I also agree there is clutter based on transactions for group breaks being in new posts. However, that is the way the site was designed and it has always been that way, when it wasn't group break transactions and everyone was trading amuck it was trade transactions. Nothing regarding that has changed except for the mere fact that less people are posting in other topics or creating other topics, so we are not seeing as many new topics as we are seeing transactions in the new post page. Beyond that the server might be "refreshing" at a pace for when TCC had higher volumes of traffic leaving less topics on the page more often. Only Bob or someone with knowledge of those areas could tell us for us and make changes.



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No offense, but I think too many people do this.  If your stopping by why not let others know you were here?
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I understand your point, but I just haven't really seen much reason to post. It just seems 85% of the threads on the board are "Happy Birthday" threads or Group Break threads. I haven't made a trade in years and I've really cut back on the hobby. Most of the members who I used to chat frequently with (BoxBreaker44, Coltsfan23, Dviv17, Marcus 42 and many others) are no longer active or made past mistakes which has caused them to no longer be active members. All in all, it has resulted in me not being as interested in this site as much.


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agree seems all that gets done here anymore are box breaks/ major reason which i have been less active , and i really can't stand a team member.

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agree  seems  all  that  gets  done  here  anymore are  box  breaks/  major  reason  which  i  have  been  less active  ,  and  i  really  can't  stand a  team  member.
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Bob, they happen on other sites as well. I don't see a huge amount of them here. Heck I get daily emails of group breaks from another site I belong to, whereas here usually group breaks are being done by the dozen or so trusted members. So I don't think group breaks are taking over TCC. They seem to if nobody wants to post topics about pulls, breaks, new products, birthdays, etc, etc, etc. That is up to US the members to populate the new post page with exactly that "new posts".

As for your issues with team members, does it really need to be a public thing and if so, maybe that is why it escalates? Not siding with anyone regarding this as I know nothing about your particular issue, but sometimes men need to act like men. Some people don't get along and not everyone likes everyone in life, but we all learn to move around and avoid those situations whether in work or play. IMO calling it out in public really doesn't help to clear the air, it only further aggravates the situation. Why not try to work it out with that team member or the CZT Team manager in pms as opposed to this way? If you feel team member "A" doesn't treat you fairly, maybe team member "A" can be asked not interact in your topics. Not sure if that will work, but it is partly up to you to try to rectify the situation, as the old saying goes it "takes two to tango". I think the CZT does an excellent job, and often gets a lot less credit for thier work then is due to them. Having been one, I can say that they keep TCC's wheels moving behind the scenes and they deserve a lot of credit.



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QUOTE(bigalexx @ Mar 3 2012, 05:49 PM)
I understand your point, but I just haven't really seen much reason to post. It just seems 85% of the threads on the board are "Happy Birthday" threads or Group Break threads. I haven't made a trade in years and I've really cut back on the hobby. Most of the members who I used to chat frequently with (BoxBreaker44, Coltsfan23, Dviv17, Marcus 42 and many others) are no longer active or made past mistakes which has caused them to no longer be active members. All in all, it has resulted in me not being as interested in this site as much.
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It happens on trading sites as well. It doesn't mean we can't make efforts to find new friends who share our same passion for that same MLB team, TV show, etc. Its a two way street and the flow sometimes seems to be going the opposite way, so you either turn your car around and head in that same direction or you keep going the other way hoping one day to catch up to the flow again or have it catch up to you. I prefer to try to deal with it and stay in the flow, even if it might not be taking me where I want to go. laugh.gif Want can I say I have no sense of direction. laugh.gif

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Trading has slowed all over with postage increases, but with less activity here it does even more. That and if they same folks coming here then it's harder to trade if you have specific PC's as after awhile they don't have what you want. And with the increased cost of postage it gets harder to justify trading for the sake of trading (I have other things going on that makes that harder to justify also). I'm getting quite a few trades on another site, but that is because it is mostly Hockey folks over there and few if any of them are here, so able to find things for my PC player in Hockey.
So yeah group breaks may have more posts on the site at the moment, but without them site would be a real small page of "new posts" on a daily basis. Just look at the trade section for transactions, never been that small in my time here. But there is more to do here than trade. So you can either be a part of the solution or the problem in simple terms.

Tired of the CZT taking flack as we are volunteers trying to make the site better and run smoothly, not whatever else folks can come up with. The last letter stands for Team, so think what you like but majority of the decisions are made by more than one person and not just one (granted sometimes hard to get very much feedback in our area of board for the number of CZT we have, but I digress), or at least anything beyond a "day off" is determined by more than one person. If I post in transactions:

Enough of the name calling, the only posts I want to see is that you have rec'd your end returned. (or whatever is wanted in this case).

That really doesn't leave much room for confusion. As fairly direct in what I'm saying I think, yet folks don't read it and continue with the mud slinging (hint if I put something in Red I'm not going to be patient anymore as I've reached my limit, but that is just me and not any other CZT). We will tell you politely what we want or don't want, doing the opposite or giving us flack makes it harder to be polite about it. And usually you will get more than one chance at a fixing the issue politely, if you don't listen to request or "go off on us", well don't take a brain surgeon to figure out why you in trouble.

Got off topic, but guess needed to put that out there, even if it is pointless. Sorry for the rant.

The virus issues haven't helped the site any. The Admin going AWOL. Postage rates. Card companies and their stupidity hurting the hobby. Redemptions that take years to fulfill (or are replaced with something not even comparable) (why I would never buy a redemption as you have no idea if you ever get what you paid for). People prioritizing things in their life different or leaving the hobby. Anything can be attributed to site slowing down, and probably a combination of that and other things I can't think of right now. But the site is what we all make it, so back to what I said earlier:
So you can either be a part of the solution or the problem in simple terms.

Add to the improvement of the site, or bring it back to where it was in your mind before, as the people here are what make the site what it is. If you don't like it here then don't come here, negativity always brings more of the same. Being here is a choice, one I never thought I would question my choice, but things change as that is the nature of the beast we call "life".


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