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post Dec 29 2009, 07:22 PM
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Long time on this post.. Nice to see it still moving. I dont make payments as gifts. Unless I am making them to myself. For the longest time my Paypal account would not let me print shipping of any kind. I called them several times and they never fixed it till about 3 weeks ago. It was that way for about a year.. So I had to send myself money to a different account and print shipping from it.. That was my way of using it as a gift..

I can tell you one thing. On SCF everyone asks for it as a gift. And It has gotten so bad Some people put that in there sigs. Stating that they will not pay as a gift.. And neither do I.. I always throw a couple bucks on top of my prices for fees and shipping. If something sells on Ebay for 5 and 3 Shipping I feel 7 or 8 is not to much to ask.. I think its more the people buying than the people selling.. People always ask me if I will take less as a gift payment.. I always say No.. If they want it bad enough they will pay the price you want. .

Something has happened in the last few months on all the sites Im on.. More people are shipping damaged cards.. Or Shipping very very very slowly and even more are not mailing at all.. We all need to stick together and use the tools provided to us..

I'm glad TCC has taken this stand to protect the members of the site..


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we are all on the honor system when buying/selling/and trading. if we don't do something then one will. we all need to step up and be fair and be friends and help each other out so we can keep the hobby going. because it is becoming more of business and not a hobby anymore like it should be. and yes we all have bought low and sold high but we still like it as a hobby. so let keep the hobby fair and honest, because if you cheat the system why would you not cheat your friend or trading partner???? huh.gif


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people that find a way to cheat the system eventually make it worse on themselves when the company finds out and adjusts accordingly. a sense of entitlement and a fear that paypal is out to get you does not give you the right to cheat paypal and make it harder on those of us who conduct business honestly. sending payment as a gift, when it is not, is lying (not a gift), cheating (breaking the rules), and stealing (the fees that paypal gets for providing that service), and I would like to think that we are all capable of more than that.


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post Feb 12 2010, 12:00 AM
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Man I got a Pinned thread.. I feel important.. Good To see its still up here and that people are getting this information..


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QUOTE(Mike Lindegarde @ Dec 9 2009, 10:43 AM)
Accepting PayPal as payment should be compared to accepting credit cards, not your bank. When you, as a vendor, accept credit cards you have to pay a fee to the credit card companies (there's more involved than that, I'm just keeping it simple).


PayPal does not charge the buyer a fee and that's how it should be. Visa doesn't charge me a fee when I buy something at Target.


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Don't get me started on CC processing fees Mike. You and all your "you have to take my debit card for this $1.25 purchase because I never carry cash anymore" kind smile.gif Well, I got news for ya. The CC companies may say I have to take your card for a $1.25 purchase and the government may say I have to take your card for a $1.25 purchase but I say I'm not going to take your card for a $1.25 purchase. You want to complain go ahead smile.gif but in the mean time you had better find something else worth at least $3.75 to add to it or you go home without it.

Seriously though, services generally cost someone money somewhere down the line. Usually it the consumer that ends up paying. I don't think that people would be complaining about the fees if the companies weren't posting what appears to be obscene profits but you have to remember, ebay and Paypal are businesses. They are not non-profit organizations. They have stockholders and are committed to providing them with a return on their investment. Paypal is selling a product. They transfer money for you just like you sell a card to a guy across the country. Is it right that you or I or anyone else should determine how much profit they should make. Should someone step in and say that you can't sell that 1/1 Auto of Adrian Peterson for more than $100.00 because it cuts in on the profits of the person buying it. Of course not. No one wants anyone else dictating what they should be able to sell their products for but everyone seems to think they know what everyone else should be selling their products for. It's all pretty much the same. ( I know there are minor differences, ebay forcing people to use paypal only and the like but there are ways around that as well. Ways that do not violate TOS)

As far as the gift system. It was put in place for people to be able to send money as a legitimate gift without paying for it. It was a gesture of good will on PayPal's part and I am sure they figured it would get abused in some way. I am also quite sure that they knew it was costing them money in the way of lost fees. Some would contend that it was only a matter of time before they realized how much money they were losing and start taking their cut anyway (making the sender pay) and others would contend that it was abuse of the system that made made them change. It was probably a bit of both but the end result is now someone has to pay to send a gift.

The bottom line is if you are sending payment marked as a gift for something that is not a gift you are lying and yes, you are stealing. Many people think it is OK because it's a big corporation. Well, when the big corporation starts charging the legitimate users of their service because it is being abused by others then it stops affecting only the big corporations. It affects the grandmas and grandpas on fixed incomes sending a $10.00 birthday gift to their grandkids. (I'll pause to let you wipe away the tears) It affects the 1st grader who wants to donate 2 weeks allowance to the animal shelter to keep a cute little puppy or kitty from being gassed. (More kleenex... go ahead, I'll wait) It affects the billionaire who wants to save a few hundred bucks by... OK, him we don't care about but think of the puppies and kitties man.

Anyway, IMO it is wrong. I won't do it and I won't ask others to do it (In fact it never crossed my mind as I never knew there was such an option) If you want to do it I guess I'm fine by that. I'm not going to think that much less of you but I am certainly not going to come to your aid when the whole thing blows up in your face and you get ripped off. As long as you know the consequences, you can play by your own rules.

Oh yeah, FYI Visa doesn't give you those frequent flier miles, the retailers you use your credit cards with do so next time you use your debit card to buy that candy bar make sure you thank the store owner for putting you that much closer to your free flight to Vegas or wherever you are planning to go and maybe, just maybe you will understand why his "thank you" seemed just a little bit forced.

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just adding 1 thing. when you steal from Walmart they raise there prices to make up the loss!! so did you really make out or just lose more in the end????


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Just ask for more money to cover the fees... Still if it's agreed upon??...Aren't the fees passed onto the person making payment if the gift option is chosen. For example I send 10 gift, but have to pay 10.70 or something for that person to get $10 in thier account.



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It is the policy of Trading Card Central
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There is no resolution program in
the case of a dispute when one utilizes
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Here is a link to a TCC Member that is openly asking for Gift Payments:

TCC Member Asking for Paypal Gift Payments.....


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QUOTE(Ilovetheheat @ Oct 1 2009, 12:20 PM)
Allow me to clear any additional misconceptions my post may have sparked. I am not against paying fees. My beef is with the amount/percentage of fees. Ive spent close to $75 on the past 30 days in fees and thats nothing compared to some folks. My point is Pay Pal/Ebay is EXTORTING money from us. There is no way to justify fee's in excess of $100 a month for being a middle man. As was posted a little earlier.... Ebay only wants you to use Pay Pal to send payments...

Maybe I should write Obama..... While he is fighting for health care reform and Chicago's bid for the Olympics..... He could drop Pay Pal a phone call....
How about a monthly fee to receive payments based on the amount of money we receive?
Pay Pal fee's as it is now is ridiculous and absurd. Again, if sending payment as a gift is thievery..... I'll PM Bob and ask if I can change my username to ROBINHOOD!

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I completely agree. The Fees are ridiculous we have to pay fees for selling on ebay and for getting the payment from selling to someone on ebay. I wouldn't be using Paypal at all but ebay requires you to have it to accept payment since they dont let you accept MO anymore. Paypal just nickel and dime you with their fees and i sell all the time on ebay. So my fees in excess of $1000...Paypal protection isn't really what its named either. Their protection plan doesn't work most of the time. I've been scammed so hard trying to use paypal and trying to recover my payment ($1300 for a Group break here) but i couldn't they said oh im sorry we cant do anything he has no more money. What protection is that? I don't know i wouldnt be using paypal if i didn't HAVE TO but im forced to...either way i thought the gift thing was a great way to get around paying fees but i guess we cant do that either..


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I have used Paypal for regular payments on cards purchased outside of Ebay and they have yet to offer me buyers protection. I got burned twice and paypal wouldnt do anything. Am I missing something?



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There is a way to avoid 100% of ebay's fees and Paypals fees. Its 100% legal 100% foolproof. It doesn't violate any TOS and is so simple anyone can do it.

The secret is to not sell on Ebay and do not use paypal.

It couldn't get any easier than that.








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