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post Mar 1 2008, 11:47 PM
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No, the numbers don't lie. Romo is an upper echelon QB in just a season and a half, 2 Pro Bowls already. Now onto the Deadskins, how many divisions have they won in the last 15 years? 0! Campbell isn't even the best QB on his team, and that's not saying much when the next guy is Todd Collins. When Campbell actualy goes to a pro bowl, makes the playoffs, or even finishes a season then you can compare him to Romo, but until ROMO > Campbell.


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post Mar 1 2008, 11:48 PM
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Off this for a minute, can someone explain how the weather can be 72 degrees tomorrow in Oklahoma then be 35 with a chance of snow on Monday.


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QUOTE(justinclemons88 @ Mar 1 2008, 11:48 PM)
Off this for a minute, can someone explain how the weather can be 72 degrees tomorrow in Oklahoma then be 35 with a chance of snow on Monday.
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thats how the atmosphere works, if you really want to know the details become a student of the weather and devote your life to something better than following an OVER-HYPED, OVER-RATED, OVER-PAID mediocre QB who WILL and I said WILL become nothing but a #2 QB in the next few seasons. Yes, he has 2 pro-bowls, only God knows why, and ok his TEAM gets him to the playoffs and what does he do???? I believe he chokes...and chokes HARD!



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OH, and if you think Collins is a better QB than Campbell, you my friend have a tanted view of what a QB is and it's no wonder you think Romo is something great....one day I pray you're eyes will be opened...and you'll know a truly GREAT QB from an average QB.



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wow, but i think justin got u gforce with the statistics


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stats are stats, first of all Romo has a few more games under his belt...putting stats aside and comparing their playing style, pocket presence, potential, leadership on AND off the field, the way they handle adversity, Campbell is clearly the better QB. REALIZE J Camp has had to learn a NEW offense and work with a NEW coach 7 of 9 seasons since college! It's not his fault that management/ownership doesn't understand what this does to a team. But for J Camp to handle it the way he does and succeed the way he does only goes to show that if he gets placed in the same systems for any # of years, he can only become a GREAT QB, possibly an All-Time great. Most QBs going through that many changes by now would have flopped and left the league, Campbell is a #1 guy, a starter! And remember his senior year at Auburn, the guy was named Offensive Player of the YEAR in the SEC....the SEC folks thats no JOKE conference like Romo played in.



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If Romo is an overrated, overhyped QB, then what does that make Campbell? He has been a starting QB for almost a year and a half, and hasn't done half of what Romo has. Romo has backed his stats up with a Division Championship, and 2 Pro Bowls. Campbell has done what? No division championships.

If stats don't mean anything then what does? Wins?

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Now those numbers don't lie. Any way you add it up, Romo is better then Campbell. The only way Campbell is better is by your oppinion that Romo will suddenly turn from being a Superstar Quaterback to nothing, and that Cambpell will suddenly turn from being an ok option, let's just say Quincy Carteresh at QB to a Superstar.


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post Mar 2 2008, 12:23 AM
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Who was his runningbacks in the SEC that year, by your own assumption Romo is only good due to the fact he has so much talent around him, then the same goes for Cambpell with two top 5 picks at running back at Auburn with him that year, then he clearly was only good due to talent around him.


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QUOTE(justinclemons88 @ Mar 2 2008, 12:20 AM)
If Romo is an overrated, overhyped QB, then what does that make Campbell? He has been a starting QB for almost a year and a half, and hasn't done half of what Romo has. Romo has backed his stats up with a Division Championship, and 2 Pro Bowls. Campbell has done what? No division championships.

If stats don't mean anything then what does? Wins?

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19 and 7 as a Starter

Jason Campbell

7 and 12 as a starter

Now those numbers don't lie. Any way you add it up, Romo is better then Campbell. The only way Campbell is better is by your oppinion that Romo will suddenly turn from being a Superstar Quaterback to nothing, and that Cambpell will suddenly turn from being an ok option, let's just say Quincy Carteresh at QB to a Superstar.
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Don't inslut J Camp with remarks like comparing him to QC??? That dude was a lowsly QB, no work ethic at all, yet thought he was hot ****! Campbell has been said so many times by so many teammates and coaches to be one of if not the hardest working guy on the team. The first one to show up and the last one to leave, that guy works his butt off, he has one of the greatest work ethics in a QB that I've seen! AND hes HUMBLE on top of that, I believe that really gives a player the edge when they are humble, because that means they are never content with people saying what a great player they are, blah blah blah, they are ALWAYS working and striving to be better and to become greater...and those players are the ones focused on the TEAM not themselves.

I'll give you the fact that Romo has better #'s as of today...but the guy is a joke. He'll never live up to these over-hyped expectations that he has on his shoulders now. He will eventually cave in to the pressure and he will continue to choke when it matters most. They guy can't handle that kind of pressure or adversity. Romo also has the better roster around him at the time being, better OL and healthy RB's, and a little stronger at WR than the Skins...take that away and Romo is nothing.



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post Mar 2 2008, 12:29 AM
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I'll make it fair for you, since you say Romo only has better numbers because he has played more games. I will take the 7 extra games off, and even better I will take 4 wins away and 3 loses too benefit you.

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Wow! looks even better for Romo now. I just want to say it, but OWNED


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Well, unforunetly that, "work ethic" doesn't translate into wins for you. You can talk about all the off the field stuff you want, but when it comes down to who is better it's on the field. Romo's numbers clearly prove he is the supierior quaterback in this debate.

The most importiant thing that differs between these two is this

Romo- NFC East Division Titles- 1

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QUOTE(justinclemons88 @ Mar 2 2008, 12:29 AM)
I'll make it fair for you, since you say Romo only has better numbers because he has played more games. I will take the 7 extra games off, and even better I will take 4 wins away and 3 loses too benefit you.

Romo with the same amount of games as JC

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Wow! looks even better for Romo now. I just want to say it, but OWNED
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you're not hearing me right, I never said romo only has better #'s because he has more games...I can twist those stats in Campbells favor just like you've twisted them into Romos for this last post.
I agree Romo has better stats, I've been saying that this whole time. My arguement is basied on them as in individual player.



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Take Moss, Porter, and Cooley away, and Cambpell is nothing. It's not Romo's fault that Jerrah is a better owner then Dan "I'll buy any over hyped free agent I can" Snyder.


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QUOTE(justinclemons88 @ Mar 2 2008, 12:33 AM)
Take Moss, Porter, and Cooley away, and Cambpell is nothing. It's not Romo's fault that Jerrah is a better owner then Dan "I'll buy any over hyped free agent I can" Snyder.
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you mean Portis right? Never heard of a Porter on the Skins. Anyways, Dan has not made any free agent moves this season, they have yet to sign/pick up a free agent from another team so far.



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this is such the classic battle of cowboys vs indians translated into the 21st century, haha



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What makes an individual player then? It's his wins and stats right? It's not his work ethic off the field. It's not how late he stays or when he shows up. It's his production on the field. That's what makes a player Romo is far superior. I am not twisting any stats. I took the starts for Campbell and the starts for Romo. I took the stats for Romo and the stats for Campbell put them into comparison, and Romo was better, nothing was twisted, altered, or changed.

You say Campbell is better because his work ethic, I say Romo is better because he has proven it on the field, Cambpell has yet too. I state facts, with stats, and wins to back it up. You state oppinions on how Campbell will be better. Romo has already proven himself. Cambpell is still has yet too.

I could say the same thing. Romo is going to be the greatest Quaterback ever, mark my words. Campbell will be back up in 2 years, garunteed. See how easy that is, but no, I didn't just go off my own oppinion. I used facts to back it up.


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And I agree with you on that. I hope that we are making 60ties and 70ties fans proud by it too.


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Yes Portis sorry, and what about the past few years? Brandon Llyod for a first and a third? Shawn Springs, well, he was a decent pick up. Clinton Portis for the best corner in the league? Portis has yet to live up to his billing. Andre Carter? How terrible has he been. Come on now, you know Snyder has lacked the ability to grasp the concept of the draft, and free agency. I mean for god's sake didn't he learn how not too draft from the early days of Jerrah and Mike Ditka, I'll trade my entire draft for Ricky Williams.


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I hope everyone who has read this has enjoyed it, because everything aside, Gforce is pretty cool, and you guys should really trade him some awesome Cambpells for the new cards he has.


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