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Posted by: redwing40 Sep 1 2012, 01:34 PM

Talks between the NHL and NHLPA aimed at negotiating a new CBA stalled Friday when the Union declared that it was unwilling to discuss the reset of current player compensation that the League considers essential for a new agreement.

There are no further bargaining sessions scheduled at this point, but both sides said Friday they would be willing to resume the negotiations at any point.

The current Collective Bargaining Agreement expires Sept. 15.

"What I thought was starting as a promising week after we made our substantial counterproposal on Tuesday ends, I guess you can say, in disappointment," NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman said. "We did not get a proposal from the Union; call it more of a response and the response basically was, as it relates to the economic issues, 'We're not going to reset. Anything we're prepared to do only comes out of future revenues and that’s our position.' So there was no counterproposal or new proposal.

"We said that in light of where they are, we have nothing to propose," the Commissioner later added. "Obviously, we're not going to be in a position to bid against ourselves. And, we both agreed that when either of us has something to say, we'll pick up the phone. But in light of the fact that they were unwilling to move forward on the economics, there wasn't much else to discuss."

The counterproposal presented Tuesday by the NHL represented a $460 million improvement over the life of the proposed new agreement, as compared to the League's initial offer of July 13.

Commissioner Bettman said the League favors a longer-term deal in order to gain labor stability.

The Union's initial proposal on Aug. 14 included a players' option for a fourth year that would see their share of hockey-related revenues "snap back" to 57 percent.

Fehr said the owners objected to the terms of the players' option in the fourth year as proposed in the original Union offer, so the players attempted to address the fourth year in the response Friday by suggesting several concepts that would allow for the players' share in that fourth year to be less than 57 percent. Fehr said the Union felt solving the issues of the fourth year would allow the sides to move toward bridging the economic gaps that remain.

"The response that was made to us is that if the players are not prepared to agree to an immediate reset in their aggregate salary levels, that is to say, as we understand it, a meaningful, absolute reduction in the players' share in dollar terms for next year as compared to last year, that they see no point in discussing or responding to the proposals that we put forward at the meeting today," Fehr said.

"At this point, the talks are recessed and we will not be discussing these issues again unless and until there's an indication from the NHL that they are prepared to do so," Fehr later added. "Hopefully that will come soon."

Both sides still believe there is enough time to make a deal by Sept. 15.

"Once we get past Sept. 15, I think the dynamic changes," Commissioner Bettman said. "The damage to the business changes the dynamic of the negotiation. So, from our standpoint, we're hoping to make a deal by Sept. 15. That's how we've positioned the offers we've made. And I'm hopeful that it can still be done. There is enough time if there is a willingness to negotiate.

"The players are looking for lots of things, which I think with the right economics we would be more than prepared to do to make their life as good, even better than it is now," Commissioner Bettman added, "but we're not in the position until we know the economics -- certainly in light of the fact that we in effect got stonewalled today -- to be moving forward on other things."

Posted by: aceecards Sep 1 2012, 01:50 PM

A strike/lockout at this point ends my relationship with Hockey.

I refused to be tantalized and collect players that are not playing the best in the world.

To hades with all the greedy tirds!

Posted by: redwing40 Sep 1 2012, 01:55 PM

A strike/lockout at this point ends my relationship with Hockey.

I refused to be tantalized and collect players that are not playing the best in the world.

To hades with all the greedy tirds!

Posted by: aceecards Sep 1 2012, 03:58 PM

I mean come on

We lost a full season just 6 years ago.

cant we just get it solved.

How much money is enough for these guys?!

I cant afford to take my family to a game for $200.00+

I was a season ticket holder from 1992-1997 tickets were not cheap but they didnt put me in the poor house either!

Posted by: redwing40 Sep 1 2012, 04:20 PM

Lol! Ill throw some skates on for $45,000 a season! Your exactly right, 90's you,,, could go to the game's, today I'm lucky enough to put my ear against the wall at the Joe Louis, a lockout will hurt the NHL, they work something out!

Ok, take $40,000 with free Pizza for a year Lol! !

Posted by: redwing40 Sep 1 2012, 04:20 PM

Cell phone error!!

Posted by: redwing40 Sep 8 2012, 06:17 AM

More news from NHL.com on the talks!

NEW YORK -- Negotiations toward establishing a new Collective Bargaining Agreement resumed Friday, one week after talks between the National Hockey League and National Hockey League Players' Association stalled.
NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman and Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly met at the League's office with NHLPA Executive Director Donald Fehr and Special Counsel Steve Fehr. The sides held two separate meetings with discussions believed to be centered around restarting the negotiation process.

Winnipeg Jets defenseman Ron Hainsey, Buffalo Sabres defenseman Robyn Regehr and Minnesota Wild forward Zenon Konopka were present during the morning negotiating session.

Neither Commissioner Bettman nor Donald Fehr characterized that meeting or revealed what was discussed, but both said the sides plan to continue talking.

Commissioner Bettman said the dialogue had not stopped and the lines of communication remain open despite the fact the sides had not had a formal negotiating session in a week.

The current CBA expires Sept. 15.

"We'd like to make a deal," Commissioner Bettman said. "I know it's difficult when every breath we take is being chronicled, but there is an ebb and a flow to collective bargaining negotiations and sometimes it makes sense to get together, and sometimes it makes sense to take a deep breath."

Donald Fehr said the sides had been talking about how and when to get back together for the past couple of days. It was decided Thursday that they would meet Friday.

"To try and find a way to bridge the gaps," Fehr said, outlining the purpose of Friday's morning meeting. "That's always the intent, but it certainly was [Friday]."

The sides met again Friday evening.

Posted by: Zimbow Sep 12 2012, 01:30 AM

I feel that we will not have a season until December unfortunately. Sigh... I really don't watch baseball anymore & football doesn't grab my interest. It might be until January before we see any games. Just wish both sides can come to an agreement. I wish as well both sides would say, "Hey, lets play for the fans and the love for the game"..... Man I could say that about all major sports I guess. Another lock out isn't needed again. I feel that hockey has picked up a lot of steam lately. More and more people are getting interested in the sport as well. It's a shame. Before we know it, NHL seasons that were supposed to begin in September, will start in March and last a month.

/rant.

Posted by: redwing40 Sep 12 2012, 07:41 PM

Yeah Jon, said today in the paper it would take a few weeks, I agree, I think they should start the season and keep the talks going, think of the fans, if they dont start it, alot of fans are gonna walk away, I really do hope they figure it all out!

Posted by: redwing40 Sep 15 2012, 08:40 AM

Final day, looks like a lock out is upon us, BOOOOOO! Well I guess I could watch football, LOL!

Posted by: aceecards Sep 15 2012, 10:41 AM

Final day, looks like a lock out is upon us, BOOOOOO! Well I guess I could watch football, LOL!

Posted by: northicehero99 Sep 15 2012, 01:49 PM

Gonna be a long cold winter. I cannot beleive they don't realize this is going to hurt the league.

Posted by: redwing40 Sep 16 2012, 08:00 PM

Gonna be a long cold winter.    I cannot beleive they don't realize this is going to hurt the league.

Posted by: redwing40 Sep 23 2012, 11:05 AM

Well Pavel Datsyuk is in Russia, and preseason is canceled till Sept 30th, this is the pits!

Posted by: aceecards Sep 23 2012, 03:02 PM

another year of no hockey.

Unforgiveable!

Posted by: northicehero99 Sep 24 2012, 05:43 AM

Must be nice to have all that money to fight over??? Sad these people don't have to work real jobs and worry about losing them everyday due to the economy. Meanwhile minimum ticket price here is almost 7 times ($50) the hourly minimum wage ($7.50). Pretty sad!

Posted by: redwing40 Sep 24 2012, 08:09 AM

I should call my local news, stand and picket a sign in front of the Joe Louis Arena, NHL Fans are on lock out when you get back, with out our money, your nothing, think about that when we don't show up to the game's or buy your products, or watch your game's on TV, LET'S MAKE A STAND FANS!

Posted by: redwing40 Oct 1 2012, 07:45 PM

Got some news on the Talks from NHL.com, well I think they are trying to get something going? Come on, just start the season and finish talking later already!

-- After three straight days of negotiations toward establishing a new Collective Bargaining Agreement, both sides are taking a step back from the negotiations.

According to National Hockey League Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly, the League and the National Hockey League Players' Association each have internal work to do.

There are no further meetings currently scheduled.

"It's not like we're breaking off negotiations, it's that we need a little more time to do some work," Daly said after a five-hour negotiating session Sunday at the League office. "[The Union has] got some work to do, too."

The meeting Sunday continued negotiations on various health and player-safety issues, including drug testing and medical care, that the sides had briefly discussed during a session Friday. The League and the Union also had a lengthy discussion about various CBA legal issues, Daly said.

The interpretation of hockey-related revenue definitions, which was the focus of the session Saturday, was not discussed Sunday.

"We covered a number of areas with the Players' Association [Saturday] and they covered a number of areas with us," Daly said. "We talked about reconvening to talk about HRR when they were prepared to respond to the issues we raised [Saturday]."

NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman and NHLPA Executive Director Donald Fehr were not present in the negotiations Sunday. Commissioner Bettman and Fehr held one-on-one discussions on both Friday and Saturday. There was no such discussion Sunday, Daly said.

"I think that may show or demonstrate more than anything else the nature of the issues we're talking about," Daly said. "We're really talking about micro issues, issues that we deal with on a day-to-day basis that don't necessarily rise to the Commissioner's level or the executive director's level. They will be at the table when we're talking about the issues that are really going to get this deal done or not."

Daly continued to refer to the issues discussed during the past 72 hours as important to getting a deal done, but not as essential as coming to an agreement on the critical economic and systematic issues that divide the two sides.

"What we're doing now and what we've done for the last two days, I don't think any of that is going to get a deal done but they are all necessarily elements of the deal," Daly said. "Again, I hate to keep saying it because I'm going to sound like a broken record, but we need some movement on the economic issues [from the Union]. We need some movement on the system issues. We need them to be scheduled as a subject of a meeting. Right now, the Union is not prepared to do that."

NHLPA Special Counsel Steve Fehr would not comment when he was asked if the Union is internally discussing the idea of bringing a new economic proposal to the bargaining table.

"We discuss all sorts of things internally and unless and until Don or the players choose to make the internal discussions public, I'll keep them private," Steve Fehr said.

Daly said the League has no choice but to start thinking about cancelling early regular-season games.

"Obviously as the calendar ticks along and we get into October we're obviously going to have to start making those decisions," Daly said.

The NHL has already canceled the preseason schedule. Opening night for the 2012-13 regular season is Oct. 11.

Steve Fehr added that progress was made on the issues that were discussed Sunday, calling it a productive day.

"I would say that it's good we're talking," Steve Fehr said, referring to the past three days of meetings. "It is true that we could have done this last week or the week before or the week before that, but it's a lot better than doing it three weeks from now. So, I think it's some progress and hopefully it will continue."

The sides will remain in contact and decide when to meet again after holding internal discussions.

"We covered a lot of things over the last three days and we each have a lot of homework projects to do and things to get together, drafts we owe each other on certain things," Daly said. "We think [Monday] is best served by using it for that purpose."