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War! What Is It Good For?, Afghanistan and Iraq? time to fire
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Jan 5 2011, 10:27 PM
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. . . this forum up once again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01-2pNCZiNk...ayer_detailpage
I picked this particular video due to its reliance on the performer, not the act(s) of war.
Folks, the people that attacked us on 9/11 are dead. The folks that are/were their comrades are dead.
4,300+ men and women have died in this quest for huge profits of the military/industrial complex (that's in Iraq). 1,448+ have died in Afghanistan.
So, pray tell, why are we spending our next generation of warriors and $2,000,000,000.00 per day to support this?
Simple question, I would admire some simple answers.
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Jan 6 2011, 12:20 PM
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Richard, I believe that I can answer your call for an answer. While I loathe every minute that I have spent in this God Forsaken pit of sewage, there is a good reason why we are still here. Please let me explain. Whether we had a just reason to enter a war with Iraq or Afghanistan is no longer the question. I have seen enough war to last me the rest of my grandchildrens life and I am still wondering the answer to that one. The real question that everyone asks but dosent want to truth about is "Why are we still here"? We are still here because, quite frankly, its the right thing to do. Having been blown up twice and shot three times in the chest, I have every reason to hate the people of Iraq and not care as to what there future holds. But for every bad experience I have had here, I have 10 good ones. The smile on a small childs face when you hand them a piece of candy is priceless. Even better is when kids cry joyful tears because you gave them a backpack filled with books and paper. These children are the future of Iraq. If we turned our backs on them while Iraq is still in the rebuilding process, we doom them to turn out just like their elders: bitter, anti-western civilization extremeists, Ultimatley dooming our children and grandchildren into the same fate. I hate being here with every fiber of my body, but if my being here until the Iraqi people are able to fend for themselves and act as a nation will help ensure that we dont ever have to come back, then so be it! Long story short, we must ensure that we do everything in our power to make these people not continue hating the United States (and we are getting there, people!). Just or not, we entered this war and now we must to the right thing and ensure that we will not have to return again in a few years (reference the early 90's when we should have finished Saddam off the first time!). Like it or not, this is how it is from somone with first hand knowledge and experience! -Sarge
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Jan 6 2011, 01:32 PM
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QUOTE(coltsfan23 @ Jan 6 2011, 11:29 AM) The US believes it's their right to step into other countries and basically reshape that system if it goes against their "code," regardless of the costs associated with it. Throughout the past hundred years or so, the US has been incredibly war hawkish and I don't think that'll change in the near future. That's certainly no justification to it, and I am completely in agreement with you on this, Richard, but it's one of the main reasons for it nonetheless. While I respect everyones opinion, I must ask you to explain this to me. In the past hundred years worth or wars, what war have we fought to change a countries system to reflect that of our own? WWI? WWII? (I believe this one was due to the countless MURDERS of US Military during Pearl Harbour) Korea? Vietnam? Both of which were fought for no gain to us, but rather to stop a power hungry society from decimating another for ITS own benifit. Somalia? Dont get me started. We lost men over there to save countless murders. Even if we got our fourth point of contact kicked! Desert Storm? Just my opinion, which by the way is backed by more time in combat than 99% of Americans will ever serve in the military! And I am by no means a person who enjoys war. I just understand them and dont make judgements without knowing a little bit about it first!
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Jan 6 2011, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(sasports @ Jan 6 2011, 12:32 PM) While I respect everyones opinion, I must ask you to explain this to me. In the past hundred years worth or wars, what war have we fought to change a countries system to reflect that of our own? WWI? WWII? (I believe this one was due to the countless MURDERS of US Military during Pearl Harbour) Korea? Vietnam? Both of which were fought for no gain to us, but rather to stop a power hungry society from decimating another for ITS own benifit. Somalia? Dont get me started. We lost men over there to save countless murders. Even if we got our fourth point of contact kicked! Desert Storm? Just my opinion, which by the way is backed by more time in combat than 99% of Americans will ever serve in the military! And I am by no means a person who enjoys war. I just understand them and dont make judgements without knowing a little bit about it first! Shawn, I certainly respect what you've done for the country, so I'd like to say that first. However, I realize now that I started something I probably should not have, so I'll be PMing you my response to your questions.
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Jan 6 2011, 02:30 PM
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I'm tired of "Hope and Change"
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QUOTE(coltsfan23 @ Jan 6 2011, 01:19 PM) It's my opinion. You may not agree with it, but that doesn't mean it's "garbage." I don't agree with quite a few of your political posts, but I respect your opinions and don't go trolling calling them garbage, do I? But when an "opinion" is so obviously false, it deserves to be pointed out.
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Jan 6 2011, 03:05 PM
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I'm tired of "Hope and Change"
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QUOTE(sasports @ Jan 6 2011, 02:39 PM) So how is an opinion obviously false? An opinion is neither a fact or a lie, its an opinion. Saying someones opinion is false is like saying that somones religion is false. You may believe somthing different than me, so does that make your opinions false? I am not singling you out, I am meerly making a point! If you dont like Ankeshs opinion, then by all means counter with your opinion with what you believe to be true and factual. It will go a lot further towards this conversation being both educational and fruitful than trying to call him out and attack his opinion. -Sarge Fair enough. His post just caught me in a weak moment. I see statements like this as simply bomb throwing. (pardon the metaphor) People throw out provacative statements (or opinions if you prefer) without any clarification then get all indignant when they're called on it. Common sense and reasoning says it's false. Everyone is entitled to speak their opinion but they aren't entitled to be taken seriously. Are we at a point in American society where people can make idiotic statements and we have to sit back and honor it with reasoned thought because they are "entitled to their opinion"? Harry Reid's "The war is lost.." speech comes to mind. When someone says something absurd, they deserved to be called on it. Enough of my rambling... You stated the reason for being in Iraq better than anyone else I've heard and I certainly can't add anything to it. Well said.
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Jan 8 2011, 09:51 PM
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I'm tired of "Hope and Change"
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QUOTE(sasports @ Jan 8 2011, 09:14 PM) To some degree, I agree with you. In the begining, our current war with Iraq may have been about money. I find it interesting that so many people think the war was about money when there's no shred of evidence pointing in that direction. In this day and age with secrets impossible to keep, you'd think an email, phone call, letter, etc. would surface. It says more about people's cynicism towards governent and politicians than the truth. Say what you will about George Bush but the guy was motivated by principles and there's no way he'd have thousands of Americans killed for money. If you believe that, I truly feel sad for you.
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Jan 8 2011, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE(RGBII @ Jan 8 2011, 10:25 PM) Wrong answers, all of you gentlemen.
The correct answer is the Morticians of the world.
I am not as concerned with Bush's motives as I am those of the true architects of the mess in Iraq. Cheney and Wolfowitz, now I'd like to see either or both in the dock for about seven hours of questioning from a very fine and rabid lawyer.
Yes, as a matter of fact, I would pay money to witness that little scene.
Collect Hard!, RGBII Again - not a single shred of evidence. Just an emotional hatred for another human being.
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