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Posted by: droubaysports Jul 30 2013, 07:06 PM

really? I'm not sure when they let everyone out of thier cages but in the 15 years I've been on ebay I have never seen such lowball offers. Im getting offers of 20% of what I listed items atand I am wel lunder book/ going rates. just amazes me as I would never do it... maybe i need ot join the ranks of the brazen?

Posted by: aceecards Jul 30 2013, 08:08 PM

that is the way of the new fee market world.

what it says in the book means nothing.

buyers want it for 10% of Low BV

not even 40% like old days!

times have changed!

Posted by: chopinalex Jul 30 2013, 09:25 PM

They are hoping you are desperate.

Posted by: kooljazz1966 Jul 30 2013, 10:13 PM

sellers are speculators to..the free market will always dictate the value of your wares. A true hit can always be started at .99 free shipping and still close out well.

Posted by: northicehero99 Jul 31 2013, 05:28 AM

I agree with Steve, there are a lot of people not buying unless 30% of bv or less. The last show I did, top name players with nice pieces I got about 40% of bv and most of those were items I knew I could sell at ebay for the same prices. However other stuff was just horrible and I was giving it away. That is one of the main reasons I won't go back to buying boxes other than hockey sets I want to work on or have an interest in.

Posted by: urbanmonk Jul 31 2013, 06:53 AM

It is a buyers market right now, but yeah BV has no meaning at all far as selling goes (it can be used for trading and is still used by many), have to search Ebay and look at completed listings to see range the same card been selling at lately. Not saying that some don't make offers way below that amount, as they are trying to take advantage of someone (make money by buying and reselling). Some of it comes from folks listing things for an amount they will never get (like way out of touch with reality prices), older cards for my PC and they will list it for higher than Beckett even for an older insert or GU that not a low numbered card, which causes folks get used to making low ball offers as folks take them (if folks didn't they wouldn't do it so much IMHO).
Just have to roll with it, if it is so low it is insulting then don't bother trying to counter offer or reply, if closer to what you want then do a counter offer and see what happens. Just check completed listings and make sure you are not a large percentage listed higher than what they been going for, or if not worried about moving it then list it for what you want to get out of it or you will just keep it price.

Posted by: droubaysports Jul 31 2013, 09:19 AM

Ok let me clarify what I am selling which may help my statement make sense. I am not selling common inserts or rookies. I am selling serial #'d 1/1's, low #;d essential credentials, and super tough inserts (sel cert premium stock mirror reds for example)
I would never think to offer 425 for a $150.00 card of a hall of famer where there are 20 and it is a PSA 9 o2 $20 for a $120.00 essential credential #'d to 14 which has not been seen on ebay in a super long time. I could see with an insert #'d higher but these are no b.s. cards
I did get a reasonable price for the 4 1/1's that sold this week but declined a ton of "offers"
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_okw=&_oexkw=&_adv=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=200&_fpos=&_fsct=&LH_SALE_CURRENCY=0&_fss=1&_fsradio=%26LH_SpecificSeller%3D1&_saslop=1&_sasl=affordable_cards&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=50

Posted by: urbanmonk Jul 31 2013, 10:26 AM

Stuff like that you have to find the right person and even then doesn't matter if /20 I doubt you are going to get full BV out of it:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Curtis-Martin-1996-Premium-Stock-Mirror-Red-77-20-made-bv-150-/271249741808?pt=US_Football&hash=item3f27be97f0

Doubt even non AU or GU 1/1s from the 90s sell very well or very high. But that just my opinion. Like Steve said times have changed and you will get low balled, just ignore them and move on as no point in even responding to them if you feel that is what they are doing.

Completed listings for those:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Football-/215/i.html?_ipg=100&_trkparms=65%253A1%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1&_from=R40&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEFSRCHX%3ASRCH&_npmv=3&_catref=1&_nkw=premium+stock+mirror+red&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc

The ones that have sold recently most haven't gone for a lot.

Posted by: kooljazz1966 Jul 31 2013, 10:58 AM

I like what he said.

Posted by: northicehero99 Jul 31 2013, 11:08 AM

The market has really changed on some of that stuff, as well as other factors. As for the market, the 1/1 market is so over used (too many not real 1/1s being listed) and over populated (too many produced) that they don't garner much unless a super hot rookie or superstar player. As for things numbered above 1, the same thing, I remember 10,000 being a low numbering for a card and them selling well in the 90s, now you have cards less than 100 and can't get 1/2 of what you could on the ones out of 10,000. As for the other factors, as older collectors quit the hobby, the new ones don't really get into the older players unless a legendary player whose name will live forever like Jordan, Gretzky, Ruth, etc. We want those old players because we watched them in their glory, new collectors are focused on who they are watching now or tomorrow. Some collect the older guys, but more focus on the newer guys who are hot now and are expected to be the names of the future.

Posted by: Ilovetheheat Jul 31 2013, 11:28 AM

Something is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it. BV is only to be used as a reference. I've sold $12 BV GU's for over $50 via ebay and once sold a $60 exquisite rc patch/auto for $6 dlvd. Go figure.

If you want to know how much something is really worth, do as Ken suggested and set the auction at $0.99. If its something extremely rare and low numbered set a high BIN and auto decline low ball offers. After a few months if no one is coming close to your asking price then you are asking too much.

Lastly, you can always auto decline offers that are below a value you set. (In case you aren't already doing that)

Posted by: northicehero99 Jul 31 2013, 11:44 AM

Jeremy is that a feature in ebay when you put a BIN? I don't use that feature very often, but if that exists I might be interested in trying it someday.

Posted by: Ilovetheheat Jul 31 2013, 12:09 PM

Yeah, I use it often. Saves me the hassle of having to decline offers.

http://s1299.photobucket.com/user/Jeremy_Camp/media/Sports%20Cards/Z-Misc/Picture3_zps4c0296a0.png.html

Posted by: aceecards Jul 31 2013, 12:27 PM

Im setting tight and waiting for the next "boom" before i jump back into ebay!

In the meantime , Ill be satisfied with what i accomplish on forums!

Posted by: Ilovetheheat Jul 31 2013, 12:36 PM

Steve is right. When other companies get their licenses back the market will grow again...

Like others have said, its currently a buyers market... Look at the current silver market.... Same for cards... If you can afford it start stocking up.

Posted by: droubaysports Jul 31 2013, 01:08 PM

I do have the BIN set high with a resonable setting for accept on all the BIN items. I was ok with where the 1/1's went (right around $50 each all were non gu/au) and some of the other stuff is ok
The premium stocks are hurt, like most mirrors by the lack of numbering and the 'ss' is a secondary card which hurts its value more.
Items that are super rare like the credentials will eventually sell, I know that it's just the dumb offers that bug me. I offer at least 1/2 on the BINs i like and usually more but I am dealing in tougher HOF autos at that point not cards.
Ive been stocking up on hall of fame autos like there is no tomorrow and even certain cards (kind of reverse prospecting if you will.. items like 93 finest refractors and certain #'d sets)
I think steve has seen my side project and I am selling off some higher end cards to pay for auto authentication and to dabble again in my Roth
it doesnt really offend me just make me smh at it