Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+ PayPal as a gift payment??

[edgerrin32]

I never said either of those.

I stand by my post on this issue. Pay Pal is raping simple average folks who make a living online. Cheating them out of a few cents is my form of giving them the finger.

Take care.
-Jeremy

are they cheating us, NO. are they taking advantage of us and the situation, Yes. eBay is now trying to make it where you can only take paypal payments. so they can double dip on everything. i think if you sell on eBay, you should only have to pay one set of fees not both. pay the higher of the 2. if your sale is 8 bucks in ebay fees, and 5 in paypal fees, you would pay the 8 bucks and not the 5.

[19th Century Indiana Jones]

Has anyone ever been charged a fee for using Service?

[edgerrin32]

Has anyone ever been charged a fee for using Service?

nope, my maid works for free. she tell me no fees jason, i dont wont you to pay me, so i can feed my family or anything like that.

and i never charged my taxi customers because i liked getting them home safe. and i didn't need the money because im rich. and i don't have a son that needs diapers or food or clothes, or anything like that. because the stores give those out free, didn't you know??

[Ilovetheheat]

Has anyone ever been charged a fee for using Service?

Allow me to clear any additional misconceptions my post may have sparked. I am not against paying fees. My beef is with the amount/percentage of fees. Ive spent close to $75 on the past 30 days in fees and thats nothing compared to some folks. My point is Pay Pal/Ebay is EXTORTING money from us. There is no way to justify fee's in excess of $100 a month for being a middle man. As was posted a little earlier.... Ebay only wants you to use Pay Pal to send payments...

Maybe I should write Obama..... While he is fighting for health care reform and Chicago's bid for the Olympics..... He could drop Pay Pal a phone call....


How about a monthly fee to receive payments based on the amount of money we receive?
Pay Pal fee's as it is now is ridiculous and absurd. Again, if sending payment as a gift is thievery..... I'll PM Bob and ask if I can change my username to ROBINHOOD!

Take Care.
-Jeremy

[Ilovetheheat]

nope, my maid works for free.

I see why you dont care about fee's.........
Heck, you can afford a maid. Whats Pay Pal fees to you.

Take care.
-Jeremy

[edgerrin32]

. i do like he idea of a per month fee. like if you bring in less than 1,000 a month but more than 500 charge like $25 bucks. if its over 5,000 but less than 10,000, charge like $100. something that is fare. but 20 bucks on less than 140 thats like 15%. but then again, think about your pay check. the government takes about 30% off the top. then they tax you when you spend, approximately another 10%. etc etc.

[edgerrin32]

I see why you dont care about fee's.........
Heck, you can afford a maid. Whats Pay Pal fees to you.          

Take care.
-Jeremy

i was kidding im a poor guy, that got laid off. and im looking for a job.

[Ilovetheheat]

but then again, think about your pay check. the government takes about 30% off the top. then they tax you when you spend, approximately another 10%. etc etc.

What does our government do with our taxes?
What does pay pal do with their fees?

Take care.
-Jeremy

[skatalite]

I send payments as gifts all the time for things. Doesn't bother me at all. If PayPal wanted, they'd put a limit on the number of times a gift can be sent by an individual. Maybe they will in the future, but for now, it's the way I'll do business if the other party is cool with that.

Another method of payment I've used a lot lately is via Amazon Gift Card. A lot of things can be bought off Amazon, including cards.

Shame on me.

[otter8418]

has anyone noticed that if you pay with gift now, it charges you more? if sent as a gift now, the sender pays the fees.

[Hallsgator]

Paypal is cracking down on people abusing the Gift payment system.

[otter8418]

Paypal is cracking down on people abusing the Gift payment system.

thank god. now i have a great comeback for break hosts that want it sent as a gift. i have never felt right about it and this thread taught me that i have no recourse if i send as gift and don't receive. i will happily send as payment again, now. i have to say that i agree with bob and those who think that cheating ebay out of fees is not right. they provide a service and for that fees should be assessed. if you don't like the fees associated with paypal, find another service.

as for the comments about extortion and cheating customers, i personally feel that the problem with today is that so many people feel that they should get everything for free and nothing is ever their fault or responsibility. nothing in life comes free and these businesses are based on profit. the beauty of this country isn't just the right to make a profit, but the right of the consumer to choose who they want to do business with. don't complain about capitalism....we could still have the monopolies of early america. paypal may SEEM like a monopoly but i assure you that it is not and could be much worse.

in the immortal words of Reservoir Dogs, "just throw in your buck like everyone else, ya cheap ######"

thanks,

doug

[urbanmonk]

as for the comments about extortion and cheating customers, i personally feel that the problem with today is that so many people feel that they should get everything for free and nothing is ever their fault or responsibility. nothing in life comes free and these businesses are based on profit. the beauty of this country isn't just the right to make a profit, but the right of the consumer to choose who they want to do business with. don't complain about capitalism....we could still have the monopolies of early america. paypal may SEEM like a monopoly but i assure you that it is not and could be much worse.

Hit it right on the head Doug, couldn't have explained my point of view that well.

Paypal is cracking down on people abusing the Gift payment system.

Like I had said earlier in topic they would figuire it out once folks started abusing it. So now if you want to send money to your family you have to pay for it. Does that make all of you happy that were bucking the system? As now nobody can send money to family for free it sounds like from what was said above.

[edgerrin32]

hey if you are worried about the fees, tell the person to send a extra buck or 2 to cover the fees!!! if they won't they don't want the item that bad do they.

[northicehero99]

Just want to push this topic to the top again, so that everyone is aware, there are to be no "gift" transactions on TCC, per Bob's request above. Going forward if we see it posted we will cancel the deal and warn your account, and if it continues by the same members then either restrictions or suspensions will be issued.

There are reasons why we do not want to allow the use of the Paypal "gift":
1. There are minors on this site who do not understand the concept that sending someone a "gift" is doing just that and they "technically" do not have to send you something.

2. Allowing members to do this opens "the door" for any less than "honest" person to initiate this and "rip" off members. The CZT work hard at trying to make sure that very few deals go bad, but in this type of case the paying member will probably have no recourse via Paypal which is one of the best ways to protect yourself from being "ripped off".

3. If you are hosting a break, take the time to build the fees into the price per group member joining, I am sure most people are not going to walk away from a break over an additional $1, as long as you are providing the kind of break that would attract them and since Paypal is now reversing the charge to the sender it no longer makes sense from either end to use this feature.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation with this request.

[Mike Lindegarde]

I didn't read the entire post, so perhaps this has come up... the comparison between PayPal and a bank is fundamentally wrong.

Accepting PayPal as payment should be compared to accepting credit cards, not your bank. When you, as a vendor, accept credit cards you have to pay a fee to the credit card companies (there's more involved than that, I'm just keeping it simple).

When you process a credit card online it first has to clear a through a gateway which charges you a fee for processing the transaction. The money from these transactions does not immediately go into your business bank account. The funds from the transaction processed by the gateway get moved to your company bank account in bulk at a set interval.

From a seller's perspective, PayPal works the same way. Keeping your income in the PayPal account and not earning interest on it is your own fault: move the funds to your bank account. You shouldn't be keeping a balance in your PayPal account in the first place. Do you complain because the change in your piggy bank isn't earning interest? No, you go put the money in the bank.

PayPal does not charge the buyer a fee and that's how it should be. Visa doesn't charge me a fee when I buy something at Target.

Comparing PayPal to your bank and saying you shouldn't have to pay fees because PayPal is earning money off of your PayPal balance is a lot like complaining because your spoon won't cut your steak. PayPal should be compared to credit card processing which is also not free and also does not pay you interest.

I don't side with Bob to often on this sort of thing, but in this case abusing the "gift" option is wrong.

[mjda]

Also, when you use the gift option, as a buyer, you're not covered if something goes south. This might have been brought up before, but I didn't read the entire thread either.

[northicehero99]

Moving this topic back up there for our members to see the issue with using "gifts" via paypal, and why we do not allow use of this paypal feature for transactions.

Anyone doing this needs to stop immediately. Thanks.

[edgerrin32]

yea i have seen a lot of post lately of people trying to sell and it say XX.xx but only if paypal gift. just man up and pay the fees what is so hard to grasp about this!!

a solution is a short ban if you are trying to do this just a idea. im not trying to make anyone mad or get anyone in trouble but rules are rules!! and a rule on here is not to use the gift in a transaction.

[avalanche]

going back to the paypal/ebay fees. i like what edgerrin siad about a fair amount per month. one month i got $200 and it charged me $60. they take 12% of each item sold plus the listing fee. and to top it then you got to pay paypal fees. that add up!