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Collector Zone _ Group Box Breaks _ Boxbreakers Sept. High End FB Group Break

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 7 2009, 03:10 PM

Hi guys. It's Football Season again and time to get our September break planned! I am posting the team assignments that I am aware of so if you participated last month but want to add, drop, or change a team please let me know asap so I can keep the list accurate.

The cost remains the same at $115 to claim a team and of course you get every card pulled from your team. All boxes will broke on Youtube. The proposed product list is listed below and as always is subject to change based on product availability and final participant count;

2008 UD Premier (1 box)
2008 Exquisite Case (3 boxes)
2007 Leaf Limited Case (12 boxes)
2006 National Treasures (1 box)

Cost per team: $115
Payment deadline: September 19th
Break Date: September 27th

If you may want to join us with one of the available teams please let us know asap! Here is our current participant list;

Participant List:

49ers - MWS --------------------------- PAID
Bears - Kiansdad ---------------------- PAID
Bengals - Deantap -------------------- PAID
Bills - Takeobeavis -------------------- PAID
Broncos - 11Eleven11 ----------------- PAID
Browns - Tileman ---------------------- PAID
Bucaneers - Takeobeavis ----------------- PAID
Cardinals
- Bob Koning ------------------- PAID
Chargers - Bob Koning ---------------- PAID
Chiefs - Takeobeavis ------------------ PAID
Colts - Jaxx ----------------------------- PAID
Cowboys - Joba62x -------------------- PAID
Dolphins - Stabil0208 ------------------ PAID
Eagles - 11Eleven11 ------------------- PAID
Falcons - Yzerisdaman ----------------- PAID
Giants - Joba62x ----------------------- PAID
Jaguars - Takeobeavis ---------------- PAID
Jets - Bob Koning --------------------- PAID
Lions - Yzerisdaman ------------------ PAID
Packers - NLR4434 ------------------- PAID
Panthers - Deantap ------------------- PAID
Patriots - Barrow ---------------------- PAID
Raiders - Yzerisdaman ---------------- PAID
Rams - Yzerisdaman ------------------ PAID
Ravens - 11Eleven11 ------------------ PAID
Redskins - Adub4545 ------------------ PAID
Saints - Bob Koning ------------------- PAID
Seahawks - Takeobeavis ------------- PAID
Steelers - NLR4434 -------------------- PAID
Texans - NLR4434 --------------------- PAID
Titans - Jaxx ---------------------------- PAID
Vikings - Crpalmi ----------------------- PAID

Posted by: MWS Sep 7 2009, 03:21 PM

Less Limited and more NT please.

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 7 2009, 04:35 PM

QUOTE(MWS @ Sep 7 2009, 02:21 PM)
Less Limited and more NT please.
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I know...just trying to keep each year represented well enough. If we can come close to a 3rd 06NT box I'm willing to take out 2-3 boxes of LL if that gets us there (if other people don't mind the possibility of maybe no case hit)

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 7 2009, 05:39 PM

Shameless cross-promotion time. For those of you who collect some of the claimed teams in this break... we do have another opportunity for a high end break for you. The following teams are available for our 3 case Absolute Memorabilia FB group break (2007-2008-2009) happening late this month. To join us for half of each case ($110) for all your teams cards in 27 boxes of Absolute Memorabilia covering the last 3 years...just let me know asap as we only have 3 slots left. You can double it up and go for all 54 boxes for $210 if you want the whole hog! These teams are available:

Ravens
Redskins
Titans
Bills
Texans
Panthers
Giants
Chargers
Rams
Chiefs
Cardinals
Saints
Bengals
Bucs
Jags

Posted by: otter8418 Sep 7 2009, 05:41 PM

chris,

is it confirmed that kiansdad is coming back this month? i don't care either way, i just want to know if I should allot money for this break.

thanks,

doug

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 7 2009, 05:52 PM

QUOTE(otter8418 @ Sep 7 2009, 04:41 PM)
chris,

is it confirmed that kiansdad is coming back this month?  i don't care either way, i just want to know if I should allot money for this break.

thanks,

doug
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I still need to make sure but last month he mentioned to me that he planned to be back. I'll PM him and verify and will let you know for sure either way.

Posted by: tileman Sep 7 2009, 05:53 PM

i say keep the full
case of 07 l/limited, would stink to do 9 or 10 boxes and not get a case hit.

Posted by: otter8418 Sep 7 2009, 05:55 PM

QUOTE(crpalmi @ Sep 7 2009, 05:52 PM)
I still need to make sure but last month he mentioned to me that he planned to be back. I'll PM him and verify and will let you know for sure either way.
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thanks, chris.

doug

Posted by: nlr4434 Sep 7 2009, 07:46 PM

Paypal is sent

Posted by: adub4545 Sep 7 2009, 09:29 PM

QUOTE(nlr4434 @ Sep 7 2009, 07:46 PM)
Paypal is sent
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dropping texans and picking up redskins please

Thanks

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 7 2009, 09:36 PM

QUOTE(adub4545 @ Sep 7 2009, 08:29 PM)
dropping texans and picking up redskins please

Thanks
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Updated...thanks!

Posted by: faulkrules Sep 8 2009, 08:30 AM

In with the Packers!

Posted by: barrow Sep 8 2009, 08:45 AM

QUOTE(MWS @ Sep 7 2009, 03:21 PM)
Less Limited and more NT please.

Less 07 Limited and more ANYTHING else. biggrin.gif

Posted by: 11eleven11 Sep 8 2009, 12:07 PM

Payment sent biggrin.gif

My teams: Broncos, Eagles and Ravens

Posted by: jimmyphan113 Sep 8 2009, 12:54 PM

Can I get the 49ers this month?

Posted by: MWS Sep 8 2009, 01:03 PM

QUOTE(jimmyphan113 @ Sep 8 2009, 01:54 PM)
Can I get the 49ers this month?
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Sorry the 49ers wont come avalible for a very long time.

Posted by: rightmoa Sep 8 2009, 05:21 PM

QUOTE(MWS @ Sep 8 2009, 01:03 PM)
Sorry the 49ers wont come avalible for a very long time.
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well last month was great. Just wanted to thank you again MWS and may the mojo come your way. Also wondering since you have been on the niners in both break for so long. have you built up a nice patrick willis collection. I am trying to get the 07 exquisite patch of him.

Posted by: MWS Sep 8 2009, 05:24 PM

QUOTE(rightmoa @ Sep 8 2009, 06:21 PM)
well last month was great. Just wanted to thank you again MWS and may the mojo come your way.  Also wondering since you have been on the niners in both break for so long. have you built up a nice patrick willis collection.  I am trying to get the 07 exquisite patch of him.
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Don't have a whole lot of Willis stuff but I'll let you know when I get one.

Posted by: Joba62x Sep 8 2009, 11:41 PM

QUOTE(barrow @ Sep 8 2009, 08:45 AM)
Less 07 Limited and more ANYTHING else.  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(MWS @ Sep 7 2009, 03:21 PM)
Less Limited and more NT please.
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I agree, I feel the same way I did last when the 08 Premier was purposed. I would rather have the main cases be of product I cant buy on my own, 07LL is around 80-90 a pack. A case of 06NT was around 1325 last week and I think if we can add that to a 08EX case we would have a good mix, the rest on 07LL. We only had 1 pack of 06 anything last month and next month 09 will start to enter the picture(Black,Absolute,Sterling) plus I think its safe to say 07LL will always be available and 06NT could not be due price or running out like 07NT.



Posted by: otter8418 Sep 8 2009, 11:48 PM

while i don't like to complain, i do agree with them. whatever chris decides is super with me but i really prefer to have more NT and EXQ than Leaf Limited. just my humble opinion.

thanks,

doug

Posted by: faulkrules Sep 9 2009, 12:52 AM

The problem is...there is nothing high end left for 07 besides Exquisite. Since we still have to attempt to keep the three years even, Chris has to choose something from 07, and Limited has been good to us historically. Personally, I do not mind Chris breaking a middle-end product when the circumstances dictate.

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 9 2009, 10:41 AM

I value the feedback guys...while I agree with you to a point I also am thinking exactly what Faulkrules states above. I would like to try to keep each of the last few years represented and for 07 it's pretty "limited" as to what high end products are out there. Rather than going with Exquisite each month for that year I figured we need to alternate it with another semi-high end product. That still allows us a chance to add 06 in the mix although when 09 products start to hit the market we'll have to see how to even the budget out to represent each year. It doesn't have to be even as it certainly won't this month with 08 taking $1450 or whatever Exquisite will cost and the LL is $900 and 06 another $750 or so if we can cover that much...but I feel pretty strongly that 07-08-09 should remain in the mix. Lastly I guess I'd point out that this group actually started with 07LL as our main product for 3 months or so...so we weren't always an ultra-high end group. Again, I agree that it should be mostly high end stuff that we may not normally buy on our own but I don't think we should ever restrict ourselves to only those two or 3 (maybe including Black this year?) products. That's my .02 anyway.

Posted by: MWS Sep 9 2009, 11:59 AM

I can't wait untill we bust some black.

Posted by: deantap Sep 9 2009, 04:22 PM

I'm back in with the PANTHERS!!

Posted by: Kiansdad Sep 9 2009, 06:56 PM

This just in......




I'M BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: faulkrules Sep 10 2009, 12:51 PM

QUOTE(Kiansdad @ Sep 9 2009, 05:56 PM)
This just in......
I'M BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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In that case...IM OUT!!!!!!!!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif j/k

Good luck to everyone!

Posted by: Takeobeavis Sep 10 2009, 01:08 PM

I am in. I prefer 08 NT. It has been very good to us, well not me, but for the group.

Posted by: MWS Sep 10 2009, 01:47 PM

Can some one Pm me Chris's Paypal addy/

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 10 2009, 06:42 PM

QUOTE(MWS @ Sep 10 2009, 12:47 PM)
Can some one Pm me Chris's Paypal addy/
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I'm fine putting it in here. It's crpalmi@yahoo.com

Posted by: Jaxx Sep 10 2009, 08:37 PM

I'm in with the Colts and Titans again.

Posted by: MWS Sep 11 2009, 06:37 AM

Payed.

Posted by: tileman Sep 11 2009, 02:17 PM

i would like to see 07 (L.Limited or Exquisite), 08 NT. When the mid-hi end 09 starts becoming available, I think we should do 07,08,09. 2006 has been around long enough, and expired redemptions speak for themselves.

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 11 2009, 02:36 PM

QUOTE(tileman @ Sep 11 2009, 01:17 PM)
i would like to see 07 (L.Limited or Exquisite), 08 NT. When the mid-hi end 09 starts becoming available, I think we should do 07,08,09. 2006 has been around long enough, and expired redemptions speak for themselves.
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That's my train of thought as well for when 09 stuff hits we phase out 06. I know we'll hear from the 06NT crowd though so we'll see?

Posted by: barrow Sep 11 2009, 02:47 PM

QUOTE(crpalmi @ Sep 11 2009, 02:36 PM)
That's my train of thought as well for when 09 stuff hits we phase out 06. I know we'll hear from the 06NT crowd though so we'll see?

Believe me, I want Maroney Mojo BADLY. But my opinion is the group should stay breaking 3 years at a time. 2006 has run its course. Next year 2007 will be gone, good bye AP mojo. We have to change with the times to keep making it fair for every team collector.

Posted by: BOBKONING Sep 11 2009, 03:12 PM

Paid for the J....E....T....S!

Posted by: adub4545 Sep 13 2009, 09:51 AM

QUOTE(barrow @ Sep 11 2009, 02:47 PM)
Believe me, I want Maroney Mojo BADLY.  But my opinion is the group should stay breaking 3 years at a time.  2006 has run its course.  Next year 2007 will be gone, good bye AP mojo.  We have to change with the times to keep making it fair for every team collector.
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Barrow I cannot agree with you more. Times do change. Rookie classes change. We need to change with them. I am so excited about NFL Black coming out next month! We need to get this product in on some of the breaks. biggrin.gif

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 13 2009, 11:02 AM

QUOTE(adub4545 @ Sep 13 2009, 08:51 AM)
Barrow I cannot agree with you more. Times do change. Rookie classes change. We need to change with them. I am so excited about NFL Black coming out next month! We need to get this product in on some of the breaks.  biggrin.gif
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I am in agreement as well. With the release of Black and then 09 NT and Exquisite later on we will need to focus on 07-08-09 products. Even those we will have to start being open to doing half-cases as 3 cases of 07Exq, 08NT, and 09 Black will run too expensive. Ideally we spend around $900-1,000 for each year (give or take based on how many participants we have) so we'll have to see when we get to that point. Hopefully the 09 addition might lure a couple other people to take on a team or two to help our product list grow?

Posted by: barrow Sep 14 2009, 07:12 AM

Payment sent!

Posted by: Kiansdad Sep 18 2009, 04:37 AM

Payment sent for Bears...


Bear Down Chicago Bears!!!!!!!

Posted by: stabil0208 Sep 18 2009, 01:38 PM

QUOTE(crpalmi @ Sep 13 2009, 12:02 PM)
I am in agreement as well. With the release of Black and then 09 NT and Exquisite later on we will need to focus on 07-08-09 products. Even those we will have to start being open to doing half-cases as 3 cases of 07Exq, 08NT, and 09 Black will run too expensive. Ideally we spend around $900-1,000 for each year (give or take based on how many participants we have) so we'll have to see when we get to that point. Hopefully the 09 addition might lure a couple other people to take on a team or two to help our product list grow?
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miami paid

Posted by: adub4545 Sep 18 2009, 11:01 PM

QUOTE(stabil0208 @ Sep 18 2009, 01:38 PM)
miami paid
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Payment sent for Redskins!

Posted by: Jaxx Sep 19 2009, 06:20 PM

Colts and Titans paid! laugh.gif

Posted by: nlr4434 Sep 19 2009, 06:29 PM

Paypal sent

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 20 2009, 08:52 AM

Just one more note on the multi-player hits. We had decided that we would continue with the current format of awarding the card to the team owner of the player either on top or on the left of the card unless of course a particular team is represented more than any other on the card. However, I don't think we addressed the multiple team ownership angle. If a card has 3 different teams on it but one collector happens to own 2 out of the 3 teams pictured...does that trump the positioning on the card? I believe it should however I'd like to hear opinions on that. I still believe multiple players from the same team should outweigh when a person owns multiple teams but if team representation on the card is equal I think we should go with the collector who owns the most teams represented as opposed to strictly positioning on the card. Does that make sense? Let me know what you think?

Posted by: MWS Sep 20 2009, 08:58 AM

I agree!!

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 20 2009, 09:22 AM

With 22 teams taken we will need to see what we generate from putting the 10 unclaimed teams up for silent bid but it's not looking good to add the 2nd box of 06NT. If we average $50 per unclaimed team we will cover the first 06NT box plus have $90 left over for an alternate box. To generate enough for the two boxes we need to either get a couple more slots filled or average $73 per unclaimed team which is pretty unrealistic to get. I just wanted to keep everybody informed of where we are with that.

Posted by: MWS Sep 20 2009, 09:30 AM

I think its the product list that might be keeping people away.

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 20 2009, 10:23 AM

QUOTE(MWS @ Sep 20 2009, 08:30 AM)
I think its the product list that might be keeping people away.
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I hear you. I just don't know about going with Exquisite each month for 07. When 09 Black hits we'll see what we should do with 07 as far as scaling back?

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Sep 20 2009, 10:34 AM

Put me on the waiting list. Thanx. smile.gif

Posted by: bajmurray Sep 20 2009, 10:39 AM

QUOTE(MWS @ Sep 20 2009, 08:30 AM)
I think its the product list that might be keeping people away.
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It may also be because there are not a lot of collectors, particularly in this economy, who are willing to pay $115 for a chance at probably one or two "hits", particularly with the most popular teams already claimed.

By design, this is a specialized break, aimed at those who are interested in very high end product & are willing to run the risk of being shut out.

For example, last month, 11 teams did not get a single hit (12 if you include an expired redemption) , including 3 on the unclaimed list for this month. Of the rest, 5 only received a single hit (& some of those were of rookies who are already out of the league).

I personally believe that there may not be enough collectors who are in the target market for this kind of break. (This also goes for the Absolute Memorabilia break Chris is also running) For those who are, it is a terrific group break, as it has a variety of years.

This is not intended as criticism. It's just my opinion as to why the break doesn't fill up.

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 20 2009, 11:13 AM

QUOTE(19th Century Indiana Jones @ Sep 20 2009, 09:34 AM)
Put me on the waiting list. Thanx.  smile.gif
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Not really maintaining a waitlist anymore but if you have particular teams you're looking for let me know.

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 20 2009, 11:21 AM

QUOTE(bajmurray @ Sep 20 2009, 09:39 AM)
It may also be because there are not a lot of collectors, particularly in this economy, who are willing to pay $115 for a chance at probably one or two "hits", particularly with the most popular teams already claimed.

By design, this is a specialized break, aimed at those who are interested in very high end product & are willing to run the risk of being shut out.

For example, last month, 11 teams did not get a single hit (12 if you include an expired redemption) , including 3 on the unclaimed list for this month. Of the rest, 5 only received a single hit (& some of those were of rookies who are already out of the league).

I personally believe that there may not be enough collectors who are in the target market for this kind of break. (This also goes for the Absolute Memorabilia break Chris is also running) For those who are, it is a terrific group break, as it has a variety of years.

This is not intended as criticism. It's just my opinion as to why the break doesn't fill up.
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I agree with you to a point Brian. I think the economy is part of it but we were up to our high of 29 teams only about 6 months ago when things were already pretty rough financially speaking. I agree that with the high end break people are taking more of a chance at a huge hit while adding the bigger risk of getting shut out all together. But let's face it...none of us like getting shut out and that's why I am a proponant of the mix of 2/3 ultra high end products like Exquisite or NT but then adding in a mix of a "normal high end" product such as Premier or 07LL where it's $80-120 per pack as at least then hardly anybody would get shut out yet the bulk of the funds still go towards the potential to strike it big with the ultra-high end stuff. The public opinion has been against that as the majority have voiced that they would rather see all Exquisite/NT even if that does mean occassionally getting shut out. While I don't necessarily agree...I've always said I would try to listen to what you guys want so we may need to look at going back to that format much like the original Exquisite Club which was the genesis for this group.

Posted by: BOBKONING Sep 20 2009, 08:28 PM

QUOTE(crpalmi @ Sep 20 2009, 05:52 AM)
Just one more note on the multi-player hits. We had decided that we would continue with the current format of awarding the card to the team owner of the player either on top or on the left of the card unless of course a particular team is represented more than any other on the card. However, I don't think we addressed the multiple team ownership angle. If a card has 3 different teams on it but one collector happens to own 2 out of the 3 teams pictured...does that trump the positioning on the card? I believe it should however I'd like to hear opinions on that. I still believe multiple players from the same team should outweigh when a person owns multiple teams but if team representation on the card is equal I think we should go with the collector who owns the most teams represented as opposed to strictly positioning on the card. Does that make sense? Let me know what you think?
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I agree.

I think this is what you're suggesting:

1st. Multiple players on the same team gets the card.
2nd. Owner of multiple teams on the card gets the card.
3rd. If no mutiple teams or players, the top and/or most left rule gets the card.

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 21 2009, 09:31 AM

QUOTE(BOBKONING @ Sep 20 2009, 07:28 PM)
I agree.

I think this is what you're suggesting:

1st. Multiple players on the same team gets the card.
2nd. Owner of multiple teams on the card gets the card.
3rd. If no mutiple teams or players, the top and/or most left rule gets the card.
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Well sure if you want a simple way of explaining it! Thanks Bob, that's exactly right.

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 21 2009, 09:36 AM

Ok folks we may as well get started on the silent bids for our unclaimed teams. The rules are that you must be a current member of this months break to submit a bid. The minimum bid will be $40 and if by the deadline we don't receive any bids on a particular team we will put it out to the rest of TCC if someone wants to take them for the $40 minimum. You may bid starting immediately and the deadline will be Thursday at 8pm(ct). Please submit bids to me via PM or email. The winning bid will be no more than $5 over the runner up bid amount. For example if your bid is $80 and the next highest bid is $55 then you win that team for $60. Here are the available teams;

Bengals -
Bucaneers -
Cardinals -
Chargers -
Chiefs -
Jaguars -
Rams -
Saints -
Seahawks -
Texans -

Posted by: Joba62x Sep 21 2009, 11:46 PM

QUOTE(crpalmi @ Sep 20 2009, 11:21 AM)
I think the economy is part of it but we were up to our high of 29 teams only about 6 months ago when things were already pretty rough financially speaking.
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We stuck to just NT for so many months in the beginning of the year and those had great participation. Then it was decided that NT07 was to predictable and dropped. We never had a bad all NT break to cause the switch to other products, the choice was made to have something different.

Exquisite is not suited to group breaks due to the tier 1, tier 2 rookie system UD uses, the guarantee of 2 tier 2 rookie jumbo patches and only one tier one per sealed case really impacts how many people leave happy after a case of EX. The one jumbo rookie and current/HOF auto card are the only two slots in a pack that can produce a big hit. Take out the 2 $40 tier 2 rookies and thats 4 possible big hits in each case for $1000. 08EX is a little better with the gold card.

More people leave happy from NT because of all the nice patches and logos that come from the just relic cards. NT advertises 3 Autos and 3 relics that might be auto'd, throw out the junk rookie auto, 2 autos and 3 relics. You might get a hit in EX, but it won't make your break
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I don't think every pack of NT is solid gold, but when your selling the possibility of hitting cards it offers more chances per pack/dollar spent.

09 Black needs to have some pretty nice pulls for the $200 a pack, having rookies in college uni's and the flag patches I'd like to see someone else open it first. I think 09 Absolute would be a great product, this probably has the best mix of rookie/current hits with a touch of HOF. At around 25-30 a hit it would spread the hits around and with the pack config:

Pack 1: Autograph
Pack 2: Rookie Premiere Material
Pack 3: Combo/Triple/Quad/Jumbo or Prime
Pack 4 Mix

The Rookie Material card is the 3 relic that spells NFL and might be auto'd, sometimes the Auto is a high number bench warmer but with only one guaranteed per pack the whole set is not watered down with them.

I think 09Aboslute as filler with a rotating case of 08NT/08EX would be fun and might fill better.

Posted by: nlr4434 Sep 22 2009, 01:23 AM

Joba I respect your opinion especially because I want that card in your sig (and I know its never available), but I respectfully disagree.

Posted by: MWS Sep 22 2009, 05:43 AM

Once again I agree with Joba.

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 22 2009, 06:03 AM

I'm obviously open to 09 Absolute since I just tried to do a case break of it but the only point I will disagree with is that 07NT was dropped not because of any predictability or even by choice but it was dropped because the product availability dried up. You couldn't find this case all of a sudden and in the extreme rare cases you did it had gone from $230 a box to $430 a box and that makes it tough to pull the trigger! I'd love to continue doing 07NT if it was an option but I'm not sure that it is.

Posted by: Joba62x Sep 22 2009, 03:27 PM

QUOTE(crpalmi @ Sep 22 2009, 06:03 AM)
I'm obviously open to 09 Absolute since I just tried to do a case break of it but the only point I will disagree with is that 07NT was dropped not because of any predictability or even by choice but it was dropped because the product availability dried up. You couldn't find this case all of a sudden and in the extreme rare cases you did it had gone from $230 a box to $430 a box and that makes it tough to pull the trigger! I'd love to continue doing 07NT if it was an option but I'm not sure that it is.
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I wasn't suggesting 07NT just saying why I think participation dropped off and that the best real solution was 09Abosolute because of the chance at jumbo/prime hits for the cost.


QUOTE(nlr4434 @ Sep 22 2009, 01:23 AM)
Joba I respect your opinion especially because I want that card in your sig (and I know its never available), but I respectfully disagree.
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Can you explain why? 1 on 1 an Exquisite Tier 1 players rookie card will sell for more after market but at a cost of $1000 per card for 07(or 1400ish for 08) I cant see that as giving the set as a whole more value, it gives that single card class, Jumbo Tier 1 rookie added value.

Posted by: nlr4434 Sep 22 2009, 07:09 PM

QUOTE(Joba62x @ Sep 22 2009, 04:27 PM)
I wasn't suggesting 07NT just saying why I think participation dropped off and that the best real solution was 09Abosolute because of the chance at jumbo/prime hits for the cost.
Can you explain why? 1 on 1 an Exquisite Tier 1 players rookie card will sell for more after market but at a cost of $1000 per card for 07(or 1400ish for 08) I cant see that as giving the set as a whole more value, it gives that single card class, Jumbo Tier 1 rookie added value.
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Based on my experience among cases and multiple ones I have seen cracked, usually the bang for your buck is Exquisite.

Just picked Dan Marino at Random and numbered to 13 three color NT sold for less than numbered to 13 one color Exquisite, and I just picked a random player without knowing.

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 23 2009, 12:33 PM

I'm holding out hope for the 2nd NT box so I ordered it along with a couple other boxes for a range of different valued boxes since I'm not sure yet how much we'll have left over to devote to another box. Just a heads up on that.

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 24 2009, 10:22 AM

Just a reminder that the silent bids for the unclaimed teams must be in by 8pm(ct) tonight!

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 24 2009, 10:24 AM

Also the break time has been set so hopefully everyone can make it Sunday at about 7pm(ct). It will be immediately following the Multi-Sport break (which starts at 5pm) so feel free to stop in early and watch that one as an appetizer!

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 24 2009, 09:25 PM

Ok guys...the final bids are in on the 10 unclaimed teams. Here are the winners and your winning bid amounts which can be paid anytime prior to the break on Sunday;

Bengals - Deantap $50
Buccaneers - Takeobeavis $40
Cardinals - Bob Koning $52
Chargers - Bob Koning $55
Chiefs - Takeobeavis - $78
Jaguars - Takeobeavis - $40
Rams - Yzerisdaman $48
Saints - Bob Koning $65
Seahawks - Takeobeavis $40
Texans - NLR4434 $70

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 25 2009, 11:06 PM

With the sale of our unclaimed teams we ended up well short of our 2nd NT box but did cover the first one and we had enough left over for a box of 2008 UD Premier so that will be our filler box this month. I updated the product list.

Posted by: Joba62x Sep 27 2009, 10:32 AM

QUOTE(nlr4434 @ Sep 22 2009, 07:09 PM)
Just picked Dan Marino at Random and numbered to 13 three color NT sold for less than numbered to 13 one color Exquisite, and I just picked a random player without knowing.
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ok, but what did you have to spend to get that card out of EX as opposed to NT? In a case of EX there are 3 possible cards that will be a HOF/Current player, 1 in each pack. In a pack of NT there are 2 maybe 3 possible slots for Hof patch/Auto to occur, so naturaly the rarer marino would sell for more, but what did you spend to get it. I just think NT has a better shot at making more people happy, thank you for replying, I dont think your wrong, It's nice to have different opinions as long as we explain them.

Now to go boooo! the giants for 3 hours, only to cheer for them later tonight.

Yanks take the division with a win today.

If anyone is playing ODST and wants to do a heroic/legendary/firefight my GT is the same.

Good luck everyone


Posted by: otter8418 Sep 27 2009, 11:16 AM

i will weigh in. BOTH are cool. if you are looking for sell value, though, exquisite is clearly the winner. if you are looking for cool assortment of HOF and current autos, NT has an edge. i think, personally, that exquisite has more wow value, but for collecting, NT is much better.

so i am sure that everyone is in breaks for different reasons. some are looking to flip cards for a profit. others are looking to fill up a PC. which brand you like depends on your intentions.

just my opinion,

otter


Posted by: MWS Sep 27 2009, 05:51 PM

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Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 06:51 PM

10 minutes to go...

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QUOTE(crpalmi @ Sep 27 2009, 07:51 PM)
10 minutes to go...
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You have a fever or something? Your early. laugh.gif

Posted by: nlr4434 Sep 27 2009, 06:54 PM

Less than ten minutes to go

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 06:57 PM

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You have a fever or something? Your early.  laugh.gif
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I know...the multi-sport break went faster than I expected!

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 07:01 PM

Oh heck...let's just roll. We have a bunch for tonight so lets start with our case of 2007 Leaf Limited (12 boxes). I did two boxes per video so 6 vids for the case. I'll follow each video link with a post with pics of the hits as usual.

Here we go with 2007 Leaf Limited;

Boxes 1-2;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHvMT8WltQQ

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 07:05 PM

Hits from first 2 boxes;


Quentin Moses RC Auto #/99 - Yzerisdaman

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Steve Young/Ronnie Lott/Roger Craig Triple Jersey #26/65 - MWS


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Redemption:
Sam Huff Team Trademarks Auto - Joba62x


Jack Youngblood Jersey #8/100 - Yzerisdaman

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Brady Quinn RC Letterman Auto #5/5 - Tileman


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Redemption:
Tank Tyler Monikers Gold - Takeobeavis

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 07:08 PM

Here's boxes 3-4;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaE0WUG24qo

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 07:12 PM

Hits from boxes 3-4;


JP Losman Jersey #81/100 - Takeobeavis

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Jim Brown/Lou Groza/Otto Graham Triple Jersey #63/100 - Tileman


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Redemption:
Joe Thomas Phenoms RC Auto - Tileman


Daryle Lamonica GU Jersey #18/100 - Yzerisdaman

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Marcus McCauley RC Auto #12/49 - Crpalmi

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Fran Tarkenton GU Jersey #26/50 - Crpalmi

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Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 07:13 PM

Here's boxes 5-6;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muXgdv539bs

Posted by: Kiansdad Sep 27 2009, 07:17 PM

Bear Down Chicago Bears!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 07:17 PM

Hits from boxes 5-6;


Brandon Jacobs/Larry Johnson Matching Numbers Dual Jersey #56/100 - Joba62x


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David Harris RC Auto #16/49 - Bob Koning


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George Blanda GU Jersey #22/50 - Yzerisdaman

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Braylon Edwards GU Jersey #15/100 - Tileman

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Barry Sanders GU Jersey #61/100 - Yzerisdaman

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Lawrence Timmons RC Auto #28/49 - NLR4434

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Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 07:18 PM

Here's boxes 7-8:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laIS4lOpqEs

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 07:23 PM

Hits from #7-8:


Ray McDonald RC Auto #34/99 - MWS

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Marcus McCauley RC Auto #/299 - Crpalmi

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Reggie Nelson RC Auto #34/49 - Takeobeavis

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Carson Palmer GU Jersey #15/50 - Deantap

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Ahmad Bradshaw RC Auto #/291 - Joba62x

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Adrian Peterson Prime Jersey #8/10 - Crpalmi


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Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 07:25 PM

Here's boxes #9-10;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXEUAWbGIqc

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 07:29 PM

Hits from #9-10;


Steven Jackson GU Jersey #42/50 - Yzerisdaman


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Lorenzo Booker RC Auto #12/25 - Stabil0208


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Brandon Jones GU Jersey #7/81 - Jaxx

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Jake DelHomme GU Jersey #44/100 - Deantap


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Dwayne Bowe RC Auto Jersey #13/25 - Takeobeavis

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Marvin Harrison GU Jersey #80/88 - Jaxx

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Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 07:30 PM

Final 2 boxes of Leaf Limited;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rch_hkRl7eM

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 07:35 PM

Hits from boxes 11-12;

Earl Campbell Auto Jersey #14/25 - Jaxx

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Ted Hendricks GU Helmet #/150 - Yzerisdaman

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Redemption:
Charles Johnson Monikers Silver - Deantap (Panthers)


Marques Colston GU Jersey #1/100 - Bob Koning

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Donald Driver GU Jersey #31/80 - NLR4434

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Anthony Gonzalez RC Auto Jersey #77/99 - Jaxx

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Posted by: Kiansdad Sep 27 2009, 07:41 PM

and the Bears start slow again.. lol



Bear Down Chicago Bears!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: MWS Sep 27 2009, 07:42 PM

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Posted by: deantap Sep 27 2009, 07:44 PM

the CHARLES JOHNSON #277 Redemption is a Panthers card and just my luck he didn't sign this card as I just saw on on ebay that says "NO AUTOGRAPH".

Posted by: Kiansdad Sep 27 2009, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(deantap @ Sep 27 2009, 08:44 PM)
the CHARLES JOHNSON #277 Redemption is a Panthers card and just my luck he didn't sign this card as I just saw on on ebay that says "NO AUTOGRAPH".
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I dont think he signed much of anything for anyone.. I had about 3 redemptions for him (including exquisite if I remember right).. didnt get any of them.

And its not like he was so busy playing football or anything.. lol.

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 07:46 PM

Sorry about the delay....kid issues!

Here's our "extra" box with the funds from extra team sales...it's 2008 UD Premier;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqZbQWaQMKU

Posted by: bwaggy Sep 27 2009, 07:46 PM

QUOTE(deantap @ Sep 27 2009, 07:44 PM)
the CHARLES JOHNSON #277 Redemption is a Panthers card and just my luck he didn't sign this card as I just saw on on ebay that says "NO AUTOGRAPH".
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Yes thats true but donruss will give you another autograph from limited with it.

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 07:50 PM

Hits from Premier;


Jordy Nelson RC Auto Jersey #/275 - NLR4434


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Favre/Woodson/Grant Triple Patch #13/75 - NLR4434


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Erik Ainge RC Auto #17/35 - Bob Koning


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Patrick Willis Jersey #40/65 - MWS


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Kurt Warner Auto Jersey #8/15 - Bob Koning


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Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 07:55 PM

Next up is our box of 2006 National Treasures. I didn't realize this until now but for some reason this video did not load. I will try to reload it as soon as we finish but rather than hold things up I'll do a recap instead. Sorry about the wait on the vid!

*********** Update********** Here is the link to the video that I loaded just after the break;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SuZjXvB-tM

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 07:59 PM

Summary of 2006 National Treasures;


Base #/125:
Steve Largent - Takeobeavis


Sam Hurd RC Auto #75/200 - Joba62x


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Michael Huff RC Auto Patch #22/99 - Yzerisdaman


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George Blanda Triple Jersey #24/25 - Yzerisdaman


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Raymond Berry Auto Triple Patch #7/15 - Jaxx


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Troy Aikman Triple Patch #3/8 - Joba62x


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Barry Sanders Auto Triple Patch #2/5 - Yzerisdaman


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Posted by: Jaxx Sep 27 2009, 08:01 PM

Nice box of NT considering it was our only one! tongue.gif

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 08:01 PM

On to our 3 box case of 2008 Exquisite to finish the night!


Here's box #1;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WFnBZvojIU

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 08:06 PM

Hits from Box 1;


Redemption:
Early Doucet RC Auto Patch #/199 - Bob Koning


Joseph Addai Auto Jersey #18/25 - Jaxx


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Eli Manning/Peyton Manning Dual Patch #33/35 - Joba62x


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Franco Harris Quad Jersey #1/5 - NLR4434


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Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie RC Auto #/150 - Bob Koning


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and the bonus hit was;


Rashard Mendenhall RC Auto #21/30 - NLR4434


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Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 08:07 PM

Here's box #2;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF0lEpN2w9c

Posted by: Kiansdad Sep 27 2009, 08:10 PM

Ok.. Bears comeback can start anytime now...



Bear Down Chicago Bears!!!!!!!

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 08:11 PM

Hits from box #2;


Devin Thomas/Limas Sweed Dual Patch #28/35 - Adub4545


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Peyton Manning Auto Jersey #10/10 - Jaxx


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Jordy Nelson RC Auto Patch #/199 - NLR4434


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Donnie Avery Quad Jersey #43/50 - Yzerisdaman


Chevis Jackson RC Auto #19/30 - Yzerisdaman


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and the bonus hit was...



Rashard Mendenhall RC Auto #23/30 - NLR4434


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Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Sep 27 2009, 08:14 PM

Two Mendenhalls????

Posted by: Kiansdad Sep 27 2009, 08:16 PM

Nice Manning auto!



and now lets see some Bears in the last box... please?




Bear Down Chicago Bears!!!!!!!

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 08:17 PM

Final box of the night;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leKIlzV0IS0

Redemption:
Desean Jackson/Devin Thomas Dual Auto #/35 - 11Eleven11


Franco Harris/Terry Bradshaw/Lynn Swann Triple Patch #16/25 - NLR4434


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Brett Favre Quad Jersey #13/50 - Bob Koning


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Darren McFadden RC Auto Patch #34/99 - Yzerisdaman


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Tashard Choice RC Auto #25/30 - Joba62x


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and the bonus hit was...


Kellen Winslow Auto #16/25 - Bob Koning


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Posted by: Jaxx Sep 27 2009, 08:17 PM

That Manning auto is going straight into the PC!



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Posted by: nlr4434 Sep 27 2009, 08:17 PM

Sweet McFadden

Posted by: stabil0208 Sep 27 2009, 08:19 PM

QUOTE(crpalmi @ Sep 27 2009, 09:17 PM)
Final box of the night;
Redemption:
Desean Jackson/Devin Thomas Dual Auto #/35 - 11Eleven11
Franco Harris/Terry Bradshaw/Lynn Swann Triple Patch #16/25 - NLR4434
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Brett Favre Quad Jersey #13/50 - Bob Koning
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Darren McFadden RC Auto Patch #34/99 - Yzerisdaman
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Tashard Choice RC Auto #25/30 - Joba62x
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and the bonus hit was...
Kellen Winslow Auto #16/25 - Bob Koning
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wow! now that was horrible! one miami and its a booooooker! see ya next month!

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 08:27 PM

Thanks again to all for participating! Some great cards but also some people that didn't fare to well. As with most breaks it's hit or miss but at least bwhen it's high end and you hit a good month you really hit a good month! Jaxx, Bob Koning, Yzerisdaman, NLR4434 all had pretty good breaks so congrats to you and all the others that got something they wanted!

Posted by: crpalmi Sep 27 2009, 08:45 PM

Here's a link to the missing 2006 NT video...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SuZjXvB-tM

Posted by: BOBKONING Oct 3 2009, 08:59 PM

Hi Group,

I wanted to share my NT redemption I received for the August Break. Hopefully the attachment will show.

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Posted by: bajmurray Oct 3 2009, 09:07 PM

Sorry Bob. Can't see it.

Posted by: BOBKONING Oct 3 2009, 09:10 PM

Whats the trick to adding it? it seemed like it attached, but nothing showed?

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Whats the trick to adding it?  it seemed like it attached, but nothing showed?
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It was slightly too big. :-)

Posted by: MWS Oct 3 2009, 10:00 PM

Nice card.

Posted by: Jaxx Oct 4 2009, 03:43 PM

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It was slightly too big.  :-)
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Nice card Bob!

Posted by: 11eleven11 Oct 7 2009, 12:31 PM

anybody know the product list for october ???

thanks in advance
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Posted by: MWS Oct 7 2009, 02:45 PM

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anybody know the product list for october ???

thanks in advance
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No and I'm having product list withdrawl...

Posted by: crpalmi Oct 7 2009, 07:52 PM

QUOTE(11eleven11 @ Oct 7 2009, 11:31 AM)
anybody know the product list for october ???

thanks in advance
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Sorry...trying to get time to do that in the next day or two. I have a pretty good idea it will be mostly exquisite as it's due up in the rotation for both the 07 and 08 product. The mystery is what to do for 09 if anything. We could look at Absolute Memorabilia since Black won't be released in time. Otherwise we could skip it for one more month and go with 06NT with any left over after the 2 Exquisite cases?

Posted by: Jaxx Oct 7 2009, 07:55 PM

Exquisite with a splash of NT works for me!

Although, I have seen a bunch of nice stuff coming out of 09 Absolute (I've seen about 40 boxes of it opened so far at a local card shop). It definitely seems a lot stronger than it was in 08. Just my opinion of course.

Posted by: MWS Oct 7 2009, 07:59 PM

I say we do Alot of Absolute

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Exquisite and NT sounds good to me. Not a hugh fan of the 09 Absolute. I think the sticker autos look a little cheap and I saw a few cases opened with nothing but regular patches. Not a single special hit. Just my opinion, but I'm good with whatever the group decides.

Posted by: 11eleven11 Oct 8 2009, 03:51 AM

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Exquisite and NT sounds good to me.
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same here for october biggrin.gif (good mix of NT06 and Exquisite07/08)

my suggestion for november break would be all 09 product(s):

2009 Upper Deck Black Football Hobby 10-Box Case
2009 Donruss (Leaf) Limited Football Hobby 15-Box Case


with regards,
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Posted by: crpalmi Oct 8 2009, 07:19 AM

QUOTE(11eleven11 @ Oct 8 2009, 02:51 AM)
same here for october  biggrin.gif (good mix of NT06 and Exquisite07/08)

my suggestion for november break would be all 09 product(s):

2009 Upper Deck Black Football Hobby 10-Box Case
2009 Donruss (Leaf) Limited Football Hobby 15-Box Case


with regards,
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Sorry I need to correct myself as it would actually be 08NT since we did Exquisite this past month. So 07Exq, 08NT and then we'll see between 09Absolute or 06NT depending on how much is left based on participation. As for going all 09, we could do a seperate case break of something but I think this group should continue to do a range of years so more teams are well represented.

Posted by: Joba62x Oct 8 2009, 11:03 AM

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I like how this years absolute has alot of current player patches, it's really the only set that can offer something like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uQqAFLV52Y&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx7SOvQ_hd8&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=chri5784&view=videos are some more its updated daily.

ARplatium curses in his videos so i can't link to them , but you know how to find him, the 15 and 16 minute videos from 6 days ago are packed with good cards but the 21 minute video from 4 days ago has 9 boxes that he refers to as bad.

I would like to link to the 21 minute video to show you that even with a " bad break" in our format a lot teams would still get cards and many more people would have something to show.

This is by far the best set i have ever seen and at 30 a random hit the value is insane.

we paid over 1300 for that box of EX last month how many people are happy with that?

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