I've been kicking the idea around for quite some time. Would be fun to host one of these. Here is what I am thinking.
-(1) 2008 Donruss Gridiron Gear - $63 (4 hits)
-(1) 2008 Leaf Certified - $76 (4 hits)
-(1) 2008 Topps Letterman - $160 (3 hits)
-(1) 2007 Bowman Sterling - $186 (18 hits)
-(1) 2007 Fleer SE - $57 (5 hits)
There will be 16 spots (1 chosen team, 1 random team) and it will be $40 per spot. That covers the price of the boxes, shipping, and supplies.
There are 34 hits, plus all the inserts, numbered, and RC's, so everyone should get a hit.
This video will be done on youstream so should be alot of fun. If you have any other questions on this break, feel free to pm me.
Paypal only.
If interested, please reply to this post or PM me and we can get this going.
1. Packers (Yogurtmania) - PAID
2. Falcons (deantap) - PAID
3. Vikings (NYMETSJETS) - PAID
4. Raiders (mtndew2321) - PAID
5. Cowboys (jrthurmer) - PAID
6. Lions (deantap) - PAID
7. 49ers (armyabn1) - PAID
8. Bears (Lockdown32)
9. Ravens (deantap) - PAID
10. Dolphins (Prophecy Guy) - PAID
11. Steelers (Yogurtmania) - PAID
12. Bills (ctntcards) - PAID
13. Broncos (ctntcards) - PAID
14. Eagles (ctntcards) - PAID
15. Titans (ctntcards) - PAID
16. Patriots (Yogurtmania) - PAID
RANDOM DRAWINGS-
1. Jets (Yogurtmania)
2. Bengals (Deantap)
3. Browns (NYMETSJETS)
4. Jaguars (mtndew2321)
5. Redskins (Jrthurmer)
6. Chargers (deantap)
7. Chiefs (Armyabn1)
8. Rams (Lockdown32)
9. Seahawks (deantap)
10. Giants (Prophecy Guy)
11. Colts (Yogurtmania)
12. Panthers (ctntcards)
13. Bucs (ctntcards)
14. Texans (ctntcards)
15. Saints (ctntcards)
16. Cardinals (Yogurtmania)
ATLANTA FALCONS PLZ
Alright, 2 spots down. 14 more to go.
Join this break guys! $40 for 34 hits is a GREAT PRICE and these are some nice boxes. Lets get this filled!!
Let's give this another run.
Going to give this one last shot to see if we can generate some interest.
Look at the price and look at the boxes to be broke here. this is an excellent bang for your buck guys-why isn't this filling? (34) "HITS" for $40 - you can't beat that.
I'm in with the Raiders. I agree this is a great deal...maybe change the title of the thread to list some of the higher end boxes and a buy in price. You can fill this easily.
Count me in for the Vikings! Still trying for a decent AP. Thanks.
Alright. Thanks for the suggestions guys. Let's get this filled!
Anyone here late night on Christmas Eve wanting to join this break? I participate in A LOT of breaks and have not seen a better bang for your buck than this break here.
dallas
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!
PLZ join this AWESOME break as you won't find a better one out there for the money-34 "HITS" for...and I can't stress this enough...ONLY $40
I'll take the DETROIT LIONS also PLZ
Alright guys, slowly chipping away at this. Deantap, thanks for all the help on this one.
I'm in with the 49ers....
Keep this one up top...great break!
PLZ join this AWESOME break as you won't find a better one out there for the money-34 "HITS" for...and I can't stress this enough...ONLY $40
put me in for the bears
Halfway home boys. Let's get this filled this weekend. Would like to bust this by next Saturday. So, let's keep spreading the word.
One of the best bangs for your bucks and good teams still available-SIGN UP NOW!!
Anyone want to join this break today? Besides the 34 "hits" for only $40 there are A LOT of great teams still available: RAVENS - STEELERS - TITANS - TEXANS and REDSKINS
SIGN-UP NOW!!
C'mon guys lot's of good teams left!
I recently sold a lot on the bay recently so I'll take the BALTIMORE RAVENS as well PLZ
Still LOTS of good teams available-you can't find a better break with 34 "hits" for only $40 people.
I'm willing to give up the DETROIT LIONS (Kevin Smith/Calvin Johnson) if anyone wants them and I'll choose a different team just to help get this filled so just LMK.
Thanks again Deantap. I really can't believe no one is interested in doing this.
Lets fill this thing. Should be a fun break...good product selection!!
Prophecy Guy Nation succumbs to temptation and takes:
The Miami Dolphins
Thanks,
Prophecy Guy
THX-still some great teams available
STEELERS (Mendenhall/Sweed/Dixon)
TEXANS (Slaton)
REDSKINS (Brennan/Thomas/Kelly)
TITANS (Chris Johnson)
BILLS (Marshawn Lynch)
BROWNS (Brady Quinn)
Thanks Prophecy Guy for the spot. Getting close here guys. Just a few more spots to fill!
I can't believe some of these hardcore Steelers fans haven't jumped on ths one. If I had a few more bucks I would grad a second spot too.
STEELERS (Mendenhall/Sweed/Dixon)
TEXANS (Slaton)
REDSKINS (Brennan/Thomas/Kelly)
TITANS (Chris Johnson)
BILLS (Marshawn Lynch)
BROWNS (Brady Quinn)
[quote=mtndew2321,Dec 31 2008, 05:49 AM]
I can't believe some of these hardcore Steelers fans haven't jumped on ths one. If I had a few more bucks I would grad a second spot too.
STEELERS (Mendenhall/Sweed/Dixon)
TEXANS (Slaton)
REDSKINS (Brennan/Thomas/Kelly)
TITANS (Chris Johnson)
BILLS (Marshawn Lynch)
BROWNS (Brady Quinn)
I'm gonna go ahead and take the Steelers since I just got paid and can afford another spot.
TEAMS STILL AVAILABLE and their possible pulls from this break:
BILLS Marshawn Lynch - Trent Edwards
TEXANS Steve Slaton
TITANS Chris Johnson
BROWNS Brady Quinn - Joe Thomas
RAMS Donnie Avery - Chris Long
EAGLES DeSean Jackson - Kevin Kolb
PANTHERS Jonathan Stewart - Dan Connoe - Dwayne Jarrett
REDSKINS Devin Thomas - Malcolm Kelly - Fred Davis
PATRIOTS Jerod Mayo - Kevin O'Connell
BRONCOS Eddie Royal - Ryan Torain
GIANTS Ahmad Bradshaw - Steve Smith - Mario Manningham - Kenny Phillips
CHIEFS Dwayne Bowe - Glenn Dorsy - Jamaal Charles - Kolby Smith
LETS GET THIS FILLED!!
Only 5 spots to fill. Let's get this done guys!
Anyone this morning? Great Break here WITH 34 "HITS" and check out the great teams STILL AVAILABLE and their possible pulls.
BILLS Marshawn Lynch - Trent Edwards
TEXANS Steve Slaton
TITANS Chris Johnson
BROWNS Brady Quinn - Joe Thomas
RAMS Donnie Avery - Chris Long
EAGLES DeSean Jackson - Kevin Kolb
PANTHERS Jonathan Stewart - Dan Connoe - Dwayne Jarrett
REDSKINS Devin Thomas - Malcolm Kelly - Fred Davis
PATRIOTS Jerod Mayo - Kevin O'Connell
BRONCOS Eddie Royal - Ryan Torain
GIANTS Ahmad Bradshaw - Steve Smith - Mario Manningham - Kenny Phillips
CHIEFS Dwayne Bowe - Glenn Dorsy - Jamaal Charles - Kolby Smith
LETS GET THIS FILLED!!
Just 5 more spots! C'mon guys
Big thanks to my local card shop owner in buying up 4 spots so we can do this break! Randomizing teams at the moment.
Please send payments guys.
can we trade our randomized? If so - Arizona for trade - anyone?
yogurt -- what's your paypal??
anyone interested in the Seahawks as your random?
payment sent...I'd take the Chiefs or Cardinals...or the Saints, Jets, Browns, Chargers, Rams, Jaguars, Giants, Colts, Panthers...you get what I am saying...I'd LOVE the Texans.
Good job at getting payments in guys. Just waiting for 4 payments and we can bust this soon!
I have the cardinals.....I would be interested in trading for the
Redskins, Chargers, Giants, Colts, or Chiefs
Payment sent.
Didn't see this the first time for some reason...yes - I will trade the cardinals for the chiefs....thanks
Just waiting on 3 payments guys. Thanks.
If lockdown bails or doesn't pay, I will take his two teams....
Howdy,
Sorry I couldn't log in for about a week - this year hasn't started off very well for me....
Paypal is blocked from work (they block a site that I'd be on for 60 seconds and DON'T block this site that I could be on for 2 hours because WHY? lol) but I'll send as soon as I get home.
Thanks,
Prophecy Guy
I'm glad to see this fill as I truly felt for my money and the number of "hits" it was the best break I've particiapted in and I do a lot of Group Breaks. My paypal payment has been sent.
Ill take your offer for the Jaguars for the Seahawks if you want it.
Yogurtmania,
Prior to opening any of the hobby boxes, please be sure to take a few minutes to create transactions related to this group box break.
Thanks,
-Bob
I will have paypal payment sent before boxes arrive. Just waiting on a payment that is being sent to me.
Payment sent. Can't wait for the break!
Any update Yogurt? I take it the boxes didn't make it yesterday.
Looking forward to this one too. Thanks for the update.
so what time are we looking at for the break if they come in on Monday? I would like to watch the break but I don't get off work until 4...just curious assuming everyone works or goes to school until then.
dang, I won't be able to watch it then either...oh well. will I still be able to view the video later or is it just streaming and that's it?
I do believe the videos can be saved to view later
3 minutes to go....but go where? anyone know?
Good Question-Yogurtmania: where your ustream page?
are we still waiting for the ustream link
I sent him a PM asking for it-haven't heard back from him
I hope hes not doing the break without us LOL
I might actually get to watch it...if we get a link
I saw where Blowout gave him a free pack of basketball cards with our boxes and he pulled a DWAYNE WADE JSY-AU 1/1-maybe hes still in shock over that one
but I had the Raiders, Jaguars and the Heat...I want that auto! hahaa!
At this pace you're going to run into your Timberwolves game YO
I can't speak for anyone else but I wouldn't mind tomorrow...but either way I am ready. Congrats on the Wade pull too.
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Do you have a link to your ustream page so we know where to go ahead of time whether its today or tomorrow?
I'm still for making it happen tonight if the camera issues are taken care, if not tommorrow will be fine!
me three...but I haven't seen Yogurt in here since he popped in here earlier...either he is really having a lot of trouble with the camera, or he just doesn't want to do the break tonight
No update?
What time is this break tonight? YO-can you provide us your usstream.tv website ahead of time so we can get locked into it?
Update please?
no news?
Yogurtmania-just a reminder that we have invested in you not only financially but faithfully and as is the responsibility of all Group Break Hosts it is your responsibility to keep us informed and up to date as to the status of this break. The natives are getting restless and understandably so. Please let us know whats going on as no one likes to left in the dark. Thanks
I am jumping in the shower. Let me know if I miss anything guys!
Also, you have yet to provide us your ustream.tv webpage. At least we can get familiar with it and save it the page for when you are ready to roll with the break we are all there and ready to go instead of scrambling to find it later. Thanks
He was just on and active in the topic he created to talk about his 1/1 basketball pull....
this is getting ridiculous.....I either want an update or want my money back
AND I have sent him a couple of PMs that have gone unanswered
Very dissapointing. T'Wolves game going to be starting so I'm guessing no update and no break tonight.
The way he is handling this is starting to leave a bad taste in my mouth as well. My last couple breaks here on TCC have not gone well and it looks like it may be 3 in a row.....
I just sent a PM to Bob_TCC....we'll see if that helps.
My recent breaks on here haven't gone that well either.....now I know why no one is signing up for my break -- too many breaks and too many people that can't handle it properly. Maybe I will just have to bust those four boxes of 08 Leaf Limited myself
imagine how I feel this is my first break ever.
You read my mind on contacting Bob as he has been a big help for members here on TCC-I signed up for your break as I thought the price was right for (4) boxes of Limited. Hopefully it'll get hot here soon.
A PM has been sent to Yogurtmania.
-Bob
Well, I see he was on today but once again refused to update this thread about the status of the break. Don't like this people. Its really troubling since the boxes are IN-HAND.
Yep, saw that as well. If we don't here anything by the end of the night, I think I am going to go ahead and file and escalate a paypal claim.
Just for those not familiar with the Paypal and if I'm not mistaken we have 45 days from the time of the transaction to file for a refund but I don't think many will wait too much longer. I'm thinking the same thing if I don't hear something VERY SOON especially after joining your 3-CASE BREAK.
I think maybe temptation got the best of him and he opened a box or two and possibly got something really nice that should've been one of ours and decided to keep it for himself and now hes looking to replace that box? Just my theory on things but as good as any at this point. LOL
man, I can't believe this...first one of my very first transaction with Favrino fails and now my first break is going sour. This sucks. C'mon Yogurt let's do this already.
Hey, sorry for not giving an update. Haven't been around much lately. As for the break, 3 boxes have been opened and the video will be posted on youtube under the name "kandiclipper41". Should be up before the end of tomarrow.
I still have the letterman and the Sterling to open and I am waiting in hopes of doing in live on youstream like promised.
The big hits in the 1st 3 boxes were these:
-Leaf Certified Felix Jones auto/jersey/ball #ed /100
-Gridiron Gear Desean Jackson auto/4-color patch #ed /50.
-Gridiron Gear Early Doucet III triple patch #ed /50
-Fleer SE Barry Sanders jersey #ed /160
-Gridiron Gear Troy Aikman dual jersey #ed /100
Will have scans and the video up by the latest tomarrow.
Really sorry guys.
VIDEO WILL BE POSTED. Promise you guys.
Yogurt-This was not what was supposed to happen for the break. Don't quite understand why you opened three boxes already and then all of a sudden got concerned about the group and wanted to wait and do the rest on ustream "like promised". Why no update or asking us what we wanted you to do? We trusted are money with you to do the break as advertised and this was not it. It was promised that the whole break would be on ustream. Quite dissapointed and looks very sketchy that those two particular boxes were held back and not broken to save for the group, when clearly you were not overly concerned with thoughts of the group for two straight days when you were not replying to anyones PMs or updating the thread. It really makes it look like you opened them already, liked what was inside, and decided to repurchase additional boxes for the group. Please provide some clarification as to what happed, when boxes were broken, and what you were thinking in doing this. Thanks.
TK
I'm not happy at all about this and he should have brought any concerns to the group and addressed them here. I've heard too much of this B.S. from other Group Break Hosts to take matters into their own hands with OUR MONEY. This all sounds very sketchy to me. NOW he wants to do (2) boxes live. Sounds to me like a wait and see whats in there and run with the good stuff. I'll sleep on it on whether to file a paypal claim as I paid for a live break.
Going to sleep on it myself and see how I feel tommorrow. Very dissapointed in this one as I was looking forward to it.
Lets see..opened them at 4 a.m. and no video by now? He can't even list ALL of the "hits". VERY VERY SKETCHY and I'm with you NYMETS on this one. Another terrible terrible break being conducted here. My third terribly conducted break in a row here.
NYMETS-I hope your break is able to save my sanity. I am sooo looking forward to a properly run break!! LOL
So once again we sit here with no timetable for a break of the remaining (2) boxes to be conducted. Hmmmm
Does anyone have a list of ALL of the hits from the first (3) boxes?
this is crap. If you can find time to open the higher end boxes on live camera then I would have much rather waited to do all of them live. It makes no sense at all to just open 3 of the boxes at 4am when at 4am you could have got on a computer and let us know you were having troubles with a camera and availability. I would've much rather waited two more weeks just to see them opened live and legit. I just don't get it man. This doesn't look good.
and I quote "This video will be done on youstream so should be alot of fun"
Now I know why he never provided his ustream.tv webpage as he never had any intention of doing a live break as he advertised. Between this thread and PMs I must've asked for it a half dozen times. He had all the time in the world to push this break and show off his 1/1 he got as a result of these boxes but once he got the boxes he disappeared and has barely been heard from since.
So shall we take a poll to see how many of us think he'll update this thread?
Sent Bob a note to see if he can knock some sense into this "tool".
The youtube i.d. he gave us didn't register so I'm not sure if hes used youtube before. If not it might be next week before he figures it out.
c'mon Yogurtmania!
When is the rest of this break suppose to happen?
I'm done waiting on this joker....I filed my PayPal claim.
Due to lack of response when Yogurt was on today....paypal claim has been filed. Have not escalated yet, requested refund.
I filed a claim also. He has been on almost everyday and doesn't update. Then he posts boxes broken and will post vids. Comes on today no update. Something is going on.
Got a disturbing PM from an MVP member who said he was "ripped off" of a couple hundred dollars worth of cards in a trade with this guy. Everyone should file a paypal claim in my opinion.
filed a paypal claim right now. it is sad that it had to come to this. I hope this is taken care of through paypal and I hope someone bans this guy from this site.
All hits from the first 3 boxes will be sent Monday morning. Will not be opening the other 2 boxes due to the paypal claims.
Sorry for the bad break guys, but that is the way it rolled out. I know it is my fault, but at the end of the day, you guys will get your cards and hopefully all will be okay and all will be satisfied.
And for whoever said that an "MVP" member told them I ripped them off of hundreds of dollars in cards is lying or whoever this "MVP" member is is lying. I'll be honest with you guys, I have had some "bad" trades in my lifetime, just like everyone else on this site (some my fault, some not my fault). However, not one time have I ever ripped someone off for the sake of ripping someone off. So no, I have never stolen hundreds of dollars in cards from someone.
Scans of the hits from the 1st three boxes:
Everything pictured except for the Desean Jackson. Will have a scan of that later.
You're kidding...right? You expect us to accept only three boxes worth of product and let you keep the $40? You must be delusional...
Paypal claim escalated. Now you try to take charge of this break five days later? I would like a refund.
If he is going to do the last (2) boxes "live" I will accept a partial refund. (5) boxes divided by my costs equals a refund of (3) boxes worth.
yogurtmania
Where is the link to the video? Please provide the link immediatelly.
I escelated mine also. This was not done as posted and those are the terms I agreed to.
This was just brought to my attention...
What is the usual practice when someone receives free packs as a result of receiving boxes from a Group Break paid by others. Should the Cards be randomed amongst the Group or does he have the right to keep it for himself as host of the break? just wondering but it may be just another sign of this guy's character we are having to deal with.
For those who don't know he pulled a DWAYNE WADE 1/1 from this free pack!!
I mean he did get the "free" pack as a result of our money so shouldn't it be randomed off?
BTW-he was just on (probably to read the posts) and has fled once again without replying. He got his (1) post in for the week!! and once again didn't address my PM to him about the possibility of a partial refund or any of my previous 5+ PMs I have sent him.
I agree on the wade 1/1. Is should have been done on random because it was all of our money that paid for it.
Here are some of his open transactions still pending and the current length of time as these members wait for him to send their end.
sale w/ abcdefg 28 days $11 check hasn't cleared LOL
northicehero waiting on his cards at 15 days
Lew47 waiting on his cards at 28 days ($200 trade)
sebredsox24 waiting on his cards at 35 days
rtsjr waiting on his cards at 30 days
As a starting point, Yogurtmania WILL break the last two boxes live on video as promised. Otherwise his account will be restricted.
Second, if videos are available of the other boxes he's already broken, they WILL be posted ASAP. A pm is on his way. IF he refuses to answer the PM his account will be restricted.
Third, Yogurtmania WILL create sale transactions for all the members of this break and will update those transactions with information on what cards each member will be receiving, when he ships those cards and provide tracking information for those packages. If each of these steps is not met, his account WILL be restricted.
Fourth, Yogurtmania WILL NOT open any other group breaks until all issues with this group break are taken care of to the full satisfaction of each member.
And finally, the members of this group break WILL refrain from making any other further accusations about Yorgurtmania in this thread. You should only use this thread to update the progress of your paypal claims or receiving your cards from Yogurtmania. If you cannot keep these types of comments to yourself, your account will be restricted.
I feel his account should be restricted now. He doesn't reply to anyone in the group break who sent him a PM. Everybody tried to work with him before asking the TCC team to step in. He has been on everyday and didn't update the thread. He didn't even tell anyone he was breaking the boxes before he did. I understand we are taking a risk when we enter group breaks, but when the terms are clearly stated and are broken he should be restricted immediately.
EDIT: I am not making any accusations just explaining why I feel he should be on restriction.
Sorry...you can make all the restrictions you want on Yogurt, but you can't tell us what we can and can't post and Yogurt's bad trades and dealings with us - unless what is being posted is obviously libelous. This is our only outlet to share information about Yogurt that may impact our ability to complete this trade. I may not be a lawyer (yet), but I have completed enough of law school to know that Yogurt has broken the very terms of the contract HE created when he accepted our money. Just because he never formalized it in a written agreement in the trades section doesn't lessen his liability to us.
He has screwed this up from the beginning - and I will be VERY disappointed in this site if his account is suspended or terminated. There is absolutely no excuse for logging into his account and then not responding the questions in our posts.
I am escalating my PayPal claim.... and never dealing with this clown again.
And just so everyone is above board on all this -- here is what I received from Yogurt when I filed the PayPal claim....
"Hello, all of your cards from the first 3 box breaks will be sent to you. I will provide a tracking number. Once all of the claims are settled, I will either break the other 2 boxes or send a refund of the difference from the 2 boxes still unopened. Thanks"
and my response...
No - do not send my cards - they are yours. I am escalating my claim on here to get ALL of my money back. You did break the boxes live as promised, nor did you even post a link to the video. You broke the written contract we made and am requesting a full refund. Just so you know, I am in federal law enforcement and I am in law school - so I know the law quite well - including silly little contract law like we have here. But - you are quickly escalating this into a theft issue. If you want to make this a legal issue, we can. We can even get your local authorities involved if you wish....just let me know.
And I made no accusations in stating his current situation here on TCC but merely making others aware of his current state of affairs with others in helping them decide what to do. It is our responsibility to each other to look after one another and protect ourselves and others from members who have a track record of abusive behavior here on TCC. I only stated the facts as provided by TCC for our benefit in deciding whether or not to deal with members. My only mistake was not using this tool provided by TCC before joining this break. Stating the facts IS NOT AN ACCUSATION.
Anyone and everyone involved should share any and all correspondence between yogurt and yourself whether thru PMs or Paypal.
It is my humble opinion that everyone should begin filing claims if it hasnt already been done!
Update from my end: I did escalate my paypal claim yesterday. Yogurt had responded to my initial claim for refund exactly as he did to Army above. I responded with my escalation in a similar manner to Army without the legal stuff, but basically said that promised product was not delivered and will not be able to be delivered at this point.
I want to be very clear about something...
YES WE CAN tell you what you can and cannot post, and we can restrict your account if you do not abide by our requests.
That isn't to say anyone's on a power trip or wants to be a big bad mod, but your statement that we cannot tell you not to post something is FALSE.
For instance we specifically do not allow dirty language, sexual innuendos, name calling, etc. on TCC.
As stated before, anymore accusations or name calling on this thread will be met with restrictions, PERIOD.
This thread will remain open so that this issue can be resolved. The only posts that are made should be updates on the progress of paypal claims and receiving cards, as well as, if Yogurt decides to come on here and break the remaining boxes, provide updates to the break and make things right.
AGAIN, updates should not include name calling or accusations, just state the facts. And in case your wondering, calling Yogurt a "scammer" is not a fact, it's your opinion and it will not be allowed. Not to mention, name calling is probably not going to get you any more close to resolving the issues here. In fact it may make things worse. Keep that in mind.
Yogurtmania was on today at 3:47pm and did not update this thread or respond to my PM.
Therefore his account is now placed on Current Transactions Only until he resolves the issues with this group break.
Paypal status: My paypal claim was closed by paypal saying it did not meet there criteria for a valid claim/refund. I guess I filled out the form as "Item not as Described" instead of item not received. The site is not letting me refile another dispute for the same transaction. Anyone have any ideas? Might just have to call paypal tommorrow. Any input is appreciated. You would think that with the number of claims against him paypal would not automatically refuse my claim. Thanks.
As requested, here is all relevant information that I have about my Paypal claim in this break:
I received the same message in response to my initial Paypal claim as the other members of the break did. In the interest of completeness, I will repeat it again:
"Hello, all of your cards from the first 3 box breaks will be sent to you. I will provide a tracking number. Once all of the claims are settled, I will either break the other 2 boxes or send a refund of the difference from the 2 boxes still unopened. Thanks”
Here is the PM I sent to him in response (duplicating my response to him in the Paypal Claim)
“I have no intention of sacrificing the one bit of leverage that still exists to force you to bring this transaction to a satisfactory resolution by settling this claim. We couldn’t trust you to successfully complete this break in the first place, and now you want us to cancel our claims in order to do what you SHOULD have done in the first place? Someone who had genuine and sincere interest in completing this transaction would have gone ahead and posted videos of the break, invoices regarding order date, every little piece of information that would have demonstrated that the failing of this transaction was an honest mistake. With the amount of time that has passed, I have no way of knowing if the boxes you are currently holding hostage are the originals, or ones that were bought after the first two boxes turned out to be exceptional. In addition, without video evidence, there is no way I can discern that the hits you listed came from the boxes in question. You will note that I reserved judgment the first 3 days that the break was promised and not delivered. I didn’t post a word, despite my reservations and anger. However, your flippant remark that “Sorry for the bad break guys, but that is the way it rolled out.” is just ridiculous and led to this claim. I give you one opportunity to refund my money in full – all $40 – without me having to escalate the claim, and at least let this end with some dignity rather than some faceless company ordering you to pay.
Vaden – Prophecy Guy on TCC”
Further information regarding this situation will be provided as I receive it.
Thanks,
Prophecy Guy
Thank you for the updates gentlemen.
Anybody have any reccomendations for this:
I would call them asap.
Update: I called paypal on the phone. Claim refiled and is back open.
Hello everybody. I have yet to file a paypal claim I am about to do so. I am also going to file an Internet Fraud Claim with the Attorney Generals Office. I feel if more of us file against him and the Attorney Generals Office gets a bunch of claims against him they will take the matter more seriously. If I get all of the infromation to do this for everybody who out there is willing to file a claim with the Attorney Generals Office. Please let me know. Thanks JR
If for some reasons refunds are not issued via paypal, I'd be willing to help file if everything was lined up to do so. Also an option is local authorities. I know I've read through some different threads on here where local authorities were the way to go with an issue like this, anyone who knows more on the direction to go with this please let us know.
with all that said...now that I will have $40 to spend...anyone going to host a group break for that new blowout deal? 200 packs of football for $200.....mostly retail packs, but still a sweet deal. maybe I will just go buy it if I don't find a group break....
Sorry I should have been more clear I wasn't talking about the attorney general in the federal government. I was talking about the attorney generals office in North Dakota. Each State I believe has their own attorney general. I know people that have sent stuff to state attorney generals office. Usually they have other people that work for them mediators get a hold of both parties and try to come to a resolution.
Thanks for the reply....
I just want to point out a few things to you...
First - I (and the rest of the people here) very much appreciate the job you and the other mods do here.
Regarding this failure of a group break -- you point out that we enter this type of thing at our own risk. That is entirely true - that is the reason I will only ever pay via paypal for these sorts of things. But to say that TCC is not in any way liable is a bit false. Whether you realize it or not, TCC benefits tremendously from such group breaks - since it collects ad revenue for every page view, which group breaks have lots of. That creates a third-party interest in the group break agreement (in all senses legal, it is a contract). Would any of this ever make it to court or hold up in a lawsuit -- no way. But it could cause lots of problems for BobTCC - even if TCC posts everywhere that entering a group break is on your own risk. Does TCC even give us the ability to protect ourselves by finding out his information? Where does TCC give me the ability to to research that Yogurt has never hosted a group break? I never could figure out if it is indeed possible.
Regarding "telling you what you can't say" issue - I never intended to insinuate that I wanted the ability and permission of TCC to call Yogurt names. Perhaps my reply to your first post was wordy (as this one is I am sure) - but my intent was that people be allowed to post factual information - I didn't intend to mean that people should be allowed to call him names. So we were actually on the same page there.
Regarding my "too much leeway" comment that you questioned - I feel that Yogurt's ability to conduct transactions on here should have been stopped immediately upon the mods learning of the problems in this break. You are right - no one ever said that his restrictions would be lifted....what you said was that his account WOULD BE restricted if he didn't break the last two boxes live -- in my opinion, that is even worse. It means that even after breaking his end of the deal, his account wasn't restricted, it was only threatened to be restricted. That is too much leeway in my opinion. I realize that you lack police powers - but you have mod powers, and on this type of website, mod powers work better. Mod powers can help make sure other agreements aren't similarly broken. From my experience on other sites, an account restriction works quite well to bring people back in line.
I really do appreciate what you have done thus far, and I totally concede to your demands that there be no more name calling. I recommend that TCC develop a better rating system so we as users can easily identify if another member has conducted a successful group break in the past. Perhaps this is already available, but I couldn't find it and I bet there are others who are equally lost on this site. I have seen numerous posts lately regarding group breaks gone bad. Since there aren't any limitations on who can host a group break, why doesn't TCC have a better mechanism for this?
Any updates on paypal claims? Cards being received? Contact from Yogurtmania?
The status of my escalated Paypal claim is "awaiting other party's response", and has been so for approximately 8 days now.
No cards have been received, and there has been no contact from Yogurtmania.
The last indirect update received on the situation was in a response to Bob_TCC when Yogurtmania indicated that he would not discuss the situation any further on this site until all Paypal claims filed against him had been resolved (which his previous comments implied would mean "dropped").
Upon receiving any further information (or decision by Paypal) I will update this thread as expediently as possible.
Thanks for checking in on us, I hope others will follow suit with their updates as well.
Prophecy Guy
Hey Guys,
Just to update everyone, I awoke this morning to an e-mail from Paypal that stated that they had finalized my claim against Yogurt.
"After careful review, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer
Complaint described below.
We have decided in your favor, however, we were unable to recover any funds
from the seller's account. As stated in the PayPal User Agreement, recovery
of funds associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed.
Please know that we will make our best effort to recover the funds in
question if they become available in the seller's account in the future and
will take appropriate action against the seller. Such action may include
issuing a warning, a temporary restriction, or terminating the account.
Keep in mind that PayPal uses a number of factors to determine when to take
action, including member complaints. Due to privacy laws, we cannot discuss
the details of any action taken. We hope you understand our policy and that
it assures you that you are safe using PayPal. "
So there's some good news and hopefully you guys will get a similar letter. I would like to see if I am ever going to get my money back though.
Update from my side: A few days back I received an email from paypal stating that Yogurt had responded to my claim and provided shipping details with a DC#. I received a package on Saturday. I ended up decing to refuse package and return to sender as I had no interest in whatever he ended up sending as he already indicated he would only be shipping cards from the first three boxes and at this point all I would really like is a refund. Not really sure how paypal will decide my case but did not want him having the satisfaction of sending me whatever he wanted with a DC# to clear the paypal claim. I will keep everyone posted on the outcome.
I talked with paypal yesterday and you did exactly what needed to be done to get the outcome in your favor. The key here is to NOT OPEN the box at all and just send it back. Once they see the package was not delivered or accepted and returned intact she said more than likely they would rule in your favor.
Whats the old adage .. You cant get blood from a turnip
I gotta feeling yogurtmania's paypal account equates to a turnip right now!
Thanks Deantap. Glad you could confirm with paypal that I did what I was supposed to do. Only issue is, although the post office scanned the DC back in and marked the unopened package as refused/returned to sender it is still showing in the tracking system as delivered (nothing further online about it heading back his way). I have the receipt showing it going back to him with the same DC w/o any charge so I can possibly use that if paypal thinks it was delivered and opened. If anyone is curious, here is the USPS DC#: 0308 0070 0000 9090 0356
Thanks for the updates gentelmen. It sounds like you're doing what needs to be done to resolve this. Please continue to update us on what's going on. I have been trying to contact Yogurt as well with no luck. But, I will keep trying.
I got the same message as below. Hopefully they will somehow get our money back from him. I thought paypal was supposed to cover us up to $2000.
For anyone who is interested here is the phone number for the North Dakota State Attorney General Consumer Protection Division: (701) 328-3404, toll free at (800) 472-2600 or (800) 366-6888
**Wayne Stenehjem is the name of their AG
Here is an e-mail for Will Haugen (Yogurtmania): chrisrichardcollector@live.com
And we all should have his home address-if you do not PM me and I will provide it for you. The more information we can provide them the better. I would ask that everyone Please give them a call or file a complaint and explain their situation. if anyone has any further contact info on him PLZ let us all know.
Here is the official website for the State of North Dakota Office of Attorney General: http://www.ag.nd.gov/CPAT/CPAT.htm
REMEMBER: this isn't just a transaction of $40 or $80 but a total of transactions of close to $1,000 including his failed trades/sells he still has pending as well. Let them know this when you talk to them and let them know others were scammed in the process. The more money they know is involved the better. I will look further into other means of legal recourse against Will Haugen (since I am now looking into legal matters I will address him by his name) in his hometown of Wahpeton or State of North Dakota.
I was just curious if anything has been heard from him. He hasn't been on since the 25th and has a bunch of outstanding transaction other than the ones for this box break.
He finally popped in this morning-I've sent numerous e-mails to another e-mail address of his with no response. Still looking into legal actions locally in his homwtown of Wahpeton. I have been contacted by another member looking into legal recourse as well.
Deantap, would be happy to join up in bringing some sort of justice to this break. Let me know what you are able to find out about using local authorities and once have info/have filed an initial complaint, etc., I would be more than happy to join the fight however is needed.
I sent an e-mail to the Wahpeton Police Chief (Scott Thorsteinson) this morning. I would recommend everyone send him one so he realizes the entire scope of this scam. I referred to not only this box break but the "pending" sales and trades Will has scammed members out of here on TCC as well. Once I hear back I will let you all know his reply (by PM).
Additional info:
Chief of Police (Scott Thorsteinson)
sthorsteinsonn@wahpeton.com
(701)642-7722
Wahpeton City Hall
1900 4th Street North
Wahpeton, ND 58075
Phone: 701-642-8448
Municipal Court
413 3rd Avenue North
Wahpeton, ND 58075
Phone number 701-672-0156
888-642-4747
Looks like he lives on the same street as the Municipal Court? how convenient...
No real update from my end, but will be filing a consumer complaint with the Attorny Generals office of N Dakota tommorrow, as well as contacting the police department. I will post with any additional info and may provide a link or attachment of a filled out copy of the consumer complaint form for others to use (leaving blank the spaces for details regarding each individual situation).
I have completed a Consumer Complaint to send to the Office of the Attorney General in ND. I would like to include a phone number for this member on the form if at all possible prior to sending. Bob or anyone else, is there any phone number on record for Will? Thanks.
To everyone involved. I am in the process of filing an Internet Crime Report and would like to provide them as much info as possible. One of the sections ask if others have been victimized of the same crime by WILL HAUGEN and ask that they be listed on the complaint. This includes listing your name, address, phone number and e-mail address. I would very much like to include everyone on this report so they understand how big this scam is. I am even going to contact those members who have pending sales/trades with him as they have been victimized the same as us. if you would like to be included in my Crime report on WILL HAUGEN Please PM me your name, address, phone # and e-mail address or as much information that you would like me to include. If you do not want to provide me the info I then urge all of you to send in your own Crime Report and describe your specific situation. They specifically target crime done over the internet so I once again urge you all to file a report of your own. If you would like to know where to file Please PM me and I will provide you the link. I'm mad as Hell over this and I'm going to take a very proactive approach to having justice served on this character. I hope all of you are as upset as I am over this and just won't let this go as a loss.
Deantap, PM sent. I'm on board for whatever methods are available to bring some sort of justice to this.
In me trying to research this guy, I did notice he was banned on Sports Card Forum as well. Someone may have mentioned this before but didn't see in thread.
Internet Crime Report Filed online per Deantaps instructions above, Deantap used as a witness on form.
How many of you still have pending paypal claims?
Here's the deal-I WAS DENIED because it showed he delivered on the first (3) boxes. I called paypal and there are different protections between a sell like this and ebay auctions. It doesn't matter if I have returned them or not. So basically they said I'm SOL!! So I either go thru the courts or hope he delivers on the last (2) boxes. He actually replied and said he won't break the last two boxes until all paypal claims are over so this is why I have asked how many are left? I'm pretty ###### about the whole deal and waiting for my tax return so I can procede with legal matters!!
Also, I need your opinion on this. JAMAAL LEWIS was in a RAVEN uni but he was traded to the BROWNS. So he gave the card to the BROWNS guy. I've been in many breaks and have never seen this as it always goes to the guy of the uniformed player does it not? The cards is no big deal but just another example of what a DUMB%!* this guy is.
I am in the same boat Deantap. I returned to sender without opening thinking it may help with the paypal claim but nope, they still counted it as delivered. Might try to give them a call as well to see if I can reopen the claim again in some fashion. Don't think the last two boxes will ever be opened as I doubt after some of us filing claims, internet fraud charges and contacting law enforcement that it is going to happen, unless somehow he is forced too. Regarding the Browns card, I had the Browns but not sure if he sent it to me or not since I didn't open my package, so since I returned it, he probably still has the card anyway.
Hey guys...
Yesterday I received my money back - all of it - from this guy....
He wrote a little note to say sorry, and explained that "he never meant for this to happen."
Lemme know if any of you received your money back.....
FYI -- I filed my paypal claim, but never received any package from him.....
Update, my paypal claim has been re-opended and is under appeal. Have provided paypal with my USPS receipt that the package that was sent to me was refused and returned to sender with same DC# unopened. I am going to continue to pursue this untill refunded.
TK
Update: Yogurtmania has requested that I post the following information for the group. After PM'ing him today about my appeal of my paypal case, he finally responded. Looks like he is willing to start communicating via PM to try to get things worked out. We will have to wait and see how this pans out but I will give him a chance for now. I will leave my paypal claim open, but hopefully will continue communications with Will via PM untill refund can be received. Anyone else should contact him via PM and per his PM below, hopefully he will be willing to respond at this point. Not sure if his posting is restricted or not to be able to post in the thread, but I am fine with just communicating with him via PM if that is what he prefers to avoid back and forth bickering on the thread. I will keep everyone posted on my communications/status of refund and I hope everyone else will continue to post regarding there status as well. Thanks.
TK
My PM:
My paypal claim initially closed as you provided DC. Paypal claim now reopended and is under appeal. I have provided them with the receipt from USPS showing my refusing/returning the package. I will continue to pursue this as it appears you have refunded others. Please provide refund or I will continue to follow up on all avenues possible for getting a refund/justice. Thanks.
TK
His response today:
Okay, here is the situation.
I will be refunding the remaining payments, however it won't be through paypal and it won't be until around March 1st-5th.
I will send you a money order for the full refund.
The reason I won't be sending through paypal is that the account is "Unverified". There was $83.78 in the account. I was able to send payment back to 2 people with that. The first two to file complaints. With the paypal account being unverified (No bank account attached to it) I can't recieve or transfer money into it now with the restrictions. The only way to get money into the account to pay the remaining claims would be to open a checking or savings account and add money that way.
Please understand that this was not my intentions on this. I messed up and am trying to fix this. I haven't had much contact with this forum recently due to the fact that my account is restricted and it is very difficult to post and I have been more focused on communicating through paypal to fix this.
If you would, please post this and have everyone who hasn't recieved a refund or their cards from the break to pm me, as i cannot post in the original topic anymore.
Well it's good to see that he is trying to work this out. Please keep us updated on refunds and paypal disputes.
One thing I would like to clear up is that he CAN post in this topic. His account is only set to Current Transactions so he can clear up this mess. He is not limited on his posting.
Just curious if this ever got resolved...Peevs me that people can actually do this kind of stuff to other people.
NO, nothing resolved yet. Many are still waiting for refunds. Whether or not we get the full refund remains to be seen. He kept all of the good "hits" from the break and refunded that members money but those of us who received nothing special await our refunds. I see he did the same thing with a trade involving a MATT RYAN AU. Returned the cards to the trader instead of trading the RYAN as he agreed to.
I didn't have a transaction with him. I sent him an email with my address after reading a post about him going to send out a money order. Haven't heard anything yet.
I am in the same situation. I didn't have a transaction set up with him, but sent a PM with my name and address upon reading that he intended on fulfilling his financial obligation to the remaining members via money order.
I received no response to the PM, nor have I received a money order since that time.
Thanks,
Prophecy Guy
Wow...just saw this thread for the first time today. Sorry about the break gone bad and that's a few in the last week I've read about. While it's true that TCC can't be responsible for what breaks people sign up for I do think the recent rash of "bad breaks" might be fuel to start some sort of regulation to hosting breaks. Not to say that everyone shouldn't be given a shot at hosting but there could be a designation for established hosts with good history of clean breaks and satisfied customers. I know GForce was calling for this last year and I would back him on that idea.
Good luck to all of you as it sounds like most of you eventually got some "closure" on this one.
I did. But I would have rather had my cards.
He hasn't logged on in over a week. I think we're going to get stiffed on all of the refunds. Not surprised....
Haven't heard anything yet either.
Thanks for the updates. I haven't forgotten about you.
It appears that the only people who have received a refund are:
jrthurmer
armyabn1
And jrthurmer would have obviously rather received the cards.
Am I correct in that no one else has received a refund or cards?
Nothing received from my end yet. He had responded to a couple of follow up PMs in February just checking back with him that he was going to still send refunds the beginning of March, now as soon as March has rolled around, he has dissapeared. PM'd him on the second and obviously since he has not been on the site, he has not responded. Still crossing my fingers that he'll come through with refunds and I will give him some more time. But if not, still have all information/forms for all the people/organizations we had organized to report him too. Hope he was not just trying to kill a month's time hoping we'd forget with promising refunds in March...but we will see.
I don't think he is going to send refunds. This is his ebay ID with it showing him still buying stuff.
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=yogurtmania&ftab=FeedbackAsBuyer
I just sent him a note on ebay hoping (but highly doubt it) that I'll get a response from him. THX for the info Lockdown-He's not selling only buying cards with our money. He did sell some stuff in February but none of it was from this break. Waiting to see stuff from the two mboxes supposedly not busted to pop up somewhere.
Whomever had the paper work I would say to file it again. Doesn't llok like we are getting our refunds. He ripped us off. Just let me know what info you need
He was also on again today and doesn't update anyone. His time will come
Hes just playing games buying time-finally answered one of my notes to him on the bay acting all stupid about already giving me my refund. His door will be knocking soon.....
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