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By PAULINE JELINEK and JULIE PACE, Associated Press Writers Pauline Jelinek And Julie Pace, Associated Press Writers – Sat Aug 14, 9:16 pm ET

PANAMA CITY BEACH, Fla. – Weighing his words carefully on a fiery political issue, President Barack Obama said Saturday that Muslims have the right to build a mosque near New York's ground zero, but he did not say whether he believes it is a good idea to do so.

Obama commented during a trip to Florida, where he expanded on a Friday night White House speech asserting that Muslims have the same right to freedom of religion as everyone else in America.

The president's statements thrust him squarely into a debate that he had skirted for weeks and could put Democrats on the spot three months before midterm elections where they already were nervous about holding control of the House and maybe even the Senate. Until Friday, the White House had asserted that it did not want to get involved in local decision-making.

The White House quickly followed up on Obama's latest comments on the matter, with Obama spokesman Bill Burton saying that the president wasn't backing off in any way from the remarks he made Friday.

"What he said last night, and reaffirmed today, is that if a church, a synagogue or a Hindu temple can be built on a site, you simply cannot deny that right to those who want to build a mosque," Burton said.

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, an independent who has been a strong supporter of the mosque, welcomed Obama's White House speech as a "clarion defense of the freedom of religion."

Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, who was among those who met with Obama on Saturday, lauded the president's position. Crist is running for the U.S. Senate as an independent.

"I think he's right — I mean you know we're a country that in my view stands for freedom of religion and respect for others," Crist said after the Florida meeting with Obama and other officials. "I know there are sensitivities and I understand them. This is a place where you're supposed to be able to practice your religion without the government telling you you can't."

Others were quick to pounce on Obama's statements.

In a statement Saturday, House Minority Leader John Boehner said the decision to build the mosque wasn't an issue of religious freedom, but a matter of respect.

"The fact that someone has the right to do something doesn't necessarily make it the right thing to do," Boehner said. "That is the essence of tolerance, peace and understanding."

Added Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y.: "President Obama is wrong. It is insensitive and uncaring for the Muslim community to build a mosque in the shadow of ground zero."

Democratic Senate candidate Jeff Greene of Florida took Obama's Friday speech to mean the president supports the construction.

"President Obama has this all wrong and I strongly oppose his support for building a mosque near ground zero especially since Islamic terrorists have bragged and celebrated destroying the Twin Towers and killing nearly 3,000 Americans," said Greene. "Freedom of religion might provide the right to build the mosque in the shadow of ground zero, but common sense and respect for those who lost their lives and loved ones gives sensible reason to build the mosque someplace else."

The mosque would be part of a $100 million Islamic community center two blocks from where nearly 3,000 people perished when hijacked jetliners slammed into the World Trade Center towers on Sept. 11, 2001.

The proposed construction has sparked debate around the country that has included opposition from top Republicans including Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich as well as the Jewish civil rights group the Anti-Defamation League.

Obama's Friday comment was taken by some to mean that he strongly supports the building of an Islamic center near the site of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack, something he never said.

Speaking to a gathering at the White House Friday evening to observe the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, Obama said that he believes "Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country."

"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," he said. "This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable."

Asked Saturday about the issue during his trip to Florida, Obama said: "I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making a decision to put a mosque there. I was commenting very specifically on the right that people have that dates back to our founding."

Obama said that "my intention was simply to let people know what I thought. Which was that in this country we treat everybody equally and in accordance with the law, regardless of race, regardless of religion."

Some relatives of people killed in the Sept. 11 attacks supported Obama's comments.

The mosque is "in many ways ... a fitting tribute," said Colleen Kelly of the Bronx, who lost her brother Bill Kelly Jr. in the attacks.

"This is the voice of Islam that I believe needs a wider audience," said Kelly, who is Catholic. "This is what moderate Islam is all about."

Opinions are mixed among family members.

Sally Regenhard, whose firefighter son was killed at the World Trade Center, has said the president's comments show "a gross lack of sensitivity to the 9/11 families and to the people who were lost."

"Barack Obama has abandoned America at the place where America's heart was broken nine years ago, and where her true values were on display for all to see," said Debra Burlingame, a spokeswoman for some Sept. 11 victims' families and the sister of one of the pilots killed in the attacks.

Building the mosque at ground zero, she said, "is a deliberately provocative act that will precipitate more bloodshed in the name of Allah."

Obama surely knew that his words Friday night at a White House dinner marking the holy month of Ramadan not only would make headlines, but be heard by Muslims worldwide. The president has made it a point to reach out to the global Muslim community, and the more than 100 guests at Friday's dinner included ambassadors and officials from numerous nations where Islam is observed, including Saudi Arabia and Indonesia.

When Obama first took office, Muslim leaders had high hopes from his presidency, even as he kept his distance from them during the campaign and rebutted false rumors that he was Muslim.

Their expectations were raised further after a June 2009 speech in Cairo, where Obama said he wanted to forge a relationship between the U.S. and Muslims based on respect and parterships with the private sector and civil society.

But many leaders have since become disappointed in the president, believing he has mostly kept his outreach to their community behind the scenes. Many Muslims had also hoped he would reverse several Bush administration policies they felt unfairly targeted them after the Sept. 11 attacks, such as no-fly lists and the Patriot Act.

Jelinek reported from Washington. Associated Press writer Bill Kaczor in Panama City Beach and AP Religion Writer Rachel Zoll in New York contributed to this report.


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i believe this should be in the politics forum. but i will say one thing.

All sensitivities aside, they do have the right to build there


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Personally, I do not agree with the location of the mosque - especially if it's rumored that the head of the mosque is a radical.

However, there is an amendment in our Constitution which guarantees FREEDOM of religion. "Outlawing" the construction of the mosque would go against this amendment.

As president, what else could Obama do but support the freedom of religion which our Constitution allows?

And, for the record, I am a Christian.


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QUOTE(ffman @ Aug 15 2010, 09:06 AM)
Personally, I do not agree with the location of the mosque - especially if it's rumored that the head of the mosque is a radical.

However, there is an amendment in our Constitution which guarantees FREEDOM of religion.  "Outlawing" the construction of the mosque would go against this amendment. 

As president, what else could Obama do but support the freedom of religion which our Constitution allows?

And, for the record, I am a Christian.
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Cody, I think this was a difficult decision for you to reach--or at least mildly distasteful. But I also agree with your conclusion. Freedom does mean putting up with those we do not like nor agree with. And therein lies the pain--and the price we pay for freedom.

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I apologize...I didn't mean to post this article in the Everything Else forum. It was early in the morning.


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I apologize...I didn't mean to post this article in the Everything Else forum. It was early in the morning.
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If it is disrespectful to 9/11 victims to build mosques in manhattan, then it is disrespectful to Klan victims to build churches anywhere in the South. It would be disrespectful to Indians to build churches anywhere in North or South America. Maybe all Catholic churches should be banned in Northern Ireland or all Protestant Churches in Ireland.


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QUOTE(stlbaseball15 @ Aug 17 2010, 12:52 AM)
If it is disrespectful to 9/11 victims to build mosques in manhattan, then it is disrespectful to Klan victims to build churches anywhere in the South. It would be disrespectful to Indians to build churches anywhere in North or South America. Maybe all Catholic churches should be banned in Northern Ireland or all Protestant Churches in Ireland.
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...and i also think they should build a monument to the kamakazi pilots at Pearl Harbor.


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QUOTE(jkseb1972 @ Aug 17 2010, 07:46 AM)
...and i also think they should build a monument to the kamakazi pilots at Pearl Harbor.
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Nice stretch....are all Muslims terrorists?


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I support freedom of religion, but I think this is just a kinda "we have rights, so lets use them just because we can" type thing!


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Nice stretch....are all Muslims terrorists?
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although they have every right and it's totally constitutional, i see it as quite insensitive. just because something is legal doesn't necessarily make it right.


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QUOTE(jkseb1972 @ Aug 17 2010, 10:13 AM)
although they have every right and it's totally constitutional, i see it as quite insensitive. just because something is legal doesn't necessarily make it right.
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Oh, don't get me wrong. I see it as insensitive also and personally don't agree with it.

But, there's nothing that can be done if we honor the Constitution.


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Oh, don't get me wrong.  I see it as insensitive also and personally don't agree with it. 

But, there's nothing that can be done if we honor the Constitution.
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this is where I think city council meetings should determine what is and isn't constructed. in historic towns, for example, you can't build without approval of a city board vote. the site being memorialized, in my opinion, should follow similar rules.


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I support freedom of religion, but I think this is just a kinda "we have rights, so lets use them just because we can" type thing!
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QUOTE(jkseb1972 @ Aug 17 2010, 11:49 AM)
this is where I think city council meetings should determine what is and isn't constructed. in historic towns, for example, you can't build without approval of a city board vote. the site being memorialized, in my opinion, should follow similar rules.
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You do make a valid point. I believe in the constitution as much as the next person, but like you are saying... When it comes to historic property or land that has sentimental value..This sort of thing should be voted upon by the city.


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Personally, I believe Ground Zero is a MAJOR historical site that should not be altered other than to restore EXACTLY what was there.

They can go ahead and build a mosque - just not on or near Ground Zero and definitely NOT with my tax dollars.

Unless, of course, we are allowed to build a Temple inside Mecca.


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But you also have to think, do we really follow the constitution? Because if you have freedom of speech then why are you told there is not talking is class at school and you get in trouble if you do? Or if someone says "im going to kill the president" they sure will end up in jail fast!! Or when I was arrested and never read my rights?? And I could go on and on and on about not getting our rights and bla bla bla.


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