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Purpose

The OFFICIAL Multi-Sport Team Hobby Box Club is a unique group box break in that it includes multiple sports: baseball, basketball, football and hockey! The focus of the group will be on opening new products from all 4 sports in order to get a good look at what's new each and every month.

This club is intended for members that collect multiple sports and/or members that collect one or more of the sports but are interested in obtaining "inventory" of the latest products from all sports.

Cost: $25 per spot
Payment Methods: PayPal (preferred), money orders, cash
Payment Due Date: August 10

If you would rather pay via money order or cash, please PM me for my mailing address.

Draft Order

Round 1

pavi39
Karlitos Way
NYMETSJETS
booth9919
Derek4484
bajmurray
mjda
mjda
road_runner_1964
mjda
abcdefg
Kmart6nets
Pete
mwagner24
Axe725
Luke2411
Herdfan13
dekno2
SIERRASDADDY
yodude91
aceecards
northicehero99
bob_TCC
Pete
maple19
knuckleballerMC
mjda
josh3302
joey244
captkirk42


Round 2

captkirk42
joey244
josh3302
mjda
knuckleballerMC
maple19
Pete
bob_TCC
northicehero99
aceecards
yodude91
SIERRASDADDY
dekno2
Herdfan13
Luke2411
Axe725
mwagner24
Pete
Kmart6nets
abcdefg
mjda
road_runner_1964
mjda
mjda
bajmurray
Derek4484
booth9919
NYMETSJETS
Karlitos Way
pavi39


Round 3

Pete
NYMETSJETS
josh3302
mwagner24
maple19
northicehero99
pavi39
captkirk42
yodude91
bob_TCC
mjda
Derek4484
joey244
Herdfan13
knuckleballerMC
SIERRASDADDY
aceecards
mjda
bajmurray
abcdefg
mjda
dekno2
road_runner_1964
booth9919
Pete
Kmart6nets
Axe725
Luke2411
mjda
Karlitos Way


Round 4

Karlitos Way
mjda
Luke2411
Axe725
Kmart6nets
Pete
booth9919
road_runner_1964
dekno2
mjda
abcdefg
bajmurray
mjda
aceecards
SIERRASDADDY
knuckleballerMC
Herdfan13
joey244
Derek4484
mjda
bob_TCC
yodude91
captkirk42
pavi39
northicehero99
maple19
mwagner24
josh3302
NYMETSJETS
Pete


Teams by Member

Here are alphabetical lists of the teams for all 4 sports, including the member that will receive cards from each team:

Baseball
Arizona Diamondbacks - Kmart6nets
Atlanta Braves - knuckleballerMC
Baltimore Orioles - SIERRASDADDY
Boston Red Sox - Axe725
Chicago Cubs - Herdfan13
Chicago White Sox - mjda
Cincinnati Reds - josh3302 via trade with mjda
Cleveland Indians - mjda
Colorado Rockies - Derek4484
Detroit Tigers - Pete
Florida Marlins - aceecards via trade with Karlitos Way
Houston Astros - maple19
Kansas City Royals - NYMETSJETS
Los Angeles Angels - mjda
Los Angeles Dodgers - dekno2
Milwaukee Brewers - joey244
Minnesota Twins - bajmurray
New York Mets - abcdefg
New York Yankees - pavi39
Oakland Athletics - pavi39 via trade with northicehero99
Philadelphia Phillies - yodude91
Pittsburgh Pirates - bob_TCC
San Diego Padres - Pete
San Francisco Giants - booth9919
Seattle Mariners - road_runner_1964
St. Louis Cardinals - aceecards
Tampa Bay Rays - josh3302
Texas Rangers - Luke2411
Toronto Blue Jays - mwagner24
Washington Nationals - captkirk42


Basketball
Atlanta Hawks - Axe725
Boston Celtics - mjda
Charlotte Bobcats - knuckleballerMC
Chicago Bulls - booth9919
Cleveland Cavaliers - Karlitos Way
Dallas Mavericks - Luke2411
Denver Nuggets - Kmart6nets
Detroit Pistons - bob_TCC
Golden State Warriors - maple19
Houston Rockets - northicehero99
Indiana Pacers - mwagner24
Los Angeles Clippers - yodude91
Los Angeles Lakers - bajmurray
Memphis Grizzles - Karlitos Way via trade with aceecards
Miami Heat - Derek4484
Milwaukee Bucks - Pete
Minnesota Timberwolves - road_runner_1964
New Jersey Nets - mjda via trade with Herdfan13
New Orleans Hornets - mjda via trade with josh3302
New York Knicks - dekno2
Oklahoma City Thunder - mjda
Orlando Magic - Pete
Philadelphia 76ers - mjda
Phoenix Suns - pavi39
Portland Trail Blazers - Karlitos Way via trade with NYMETSJETS
San Antonio Spurs - mjda
Saramento Kings - SIERRASDADDY
Toronto Raptors - joey244
Utah Jazz - abcdefg
Washington Wizards - captkirk42


Football
Arizona Cardinals - yodude91
Atlanta Falcons - Pete
Baltimore Ravens - dekno2
Buffalo Bills - knuckleballerMC
Carolina Panthers - Herdfan13 via trade with mjda
Chicago Bears - Kmart6nets
Cincinnati Bengals - Axe725
Cleveland Browns - maple19
Dallas Cowboys - mjda
Denver Broncos - SIERRASDADDY
Detroit Lions - abcdefg
Green Bay Packers - mjda
Houston Texans
Indianapolis Colts - mjda
Jacksonville Jaguars
Kansas City Chiefs - Pete
Miami Dolphins - booth9919
Minnesota Vikings - road_runner_1964
New England Patriots - bajmurray
New Orleans Saints - bob_TCC
New York Giants - josh3302
New York Jets - Herdfan13
Oakland Raiders - NYMETSJETS via trade with Karlitos Way
Philadelphia Eagles - northicehero99
Pittsburgh Steelers - mwagner24
San Diego Chargers - pavi39
San Francisco 49ers - Derek4484
Seattle Seahawks - Luke2411
St. Louis Rams - NYMETSJETS
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - abcdefg
Tennessee Titans - joey244
Washington Redskins - captkirk42



Hockey
Anaheim Ducks - knuckleballerMC
Atlanta Thrashers - Herdfan13
Boston Bruins - mwagner24
Buffalo Sabres - bob_TCC
Calgary Flames - northicehero99 via trade with pavi39
Carolina Hurricanes - mjda
Chicago Blackhawks - dekno2
Colorado Avalanche - bajmurray
Columbus Blue Jackets - road_runner_1964
Dallas Stars - Luke2411
Detroit Red Wings - joey244
Edmonton Oilers - aceecards via trade with Karlitos Way
Florida Panthers - josh3302
Los Angeles Kings - maple19
Minnesota Wild - booth9919
Montreal Canadiens - Derek4484
Nashville Predators - Axe725
New Jersey Devils - mjda
New York Islanders - mjda
New York Rangers - Kmart6nets
Ottawa Senators - SIERRASDADDY
Philadelphia Flyers - mjda
Phoenix Coyotes - yodude91
Pittsburgh Penguins - NYMETSJETS
San Jose Sharks - Karlitos Way via trade with abcdefg
St. Louis Blues - aceecards
Tampa Bay Lightning - Pete
Toronto Maple Leafs - northicehero99
Vancouver Canucks - Pete
Washington Capitals - captkirk42


Hobby Boxes for August's Break

Baseball

2009 Topps Allen & Ginter - $92
24 packs per box. 8 cards per pack
(3) Autographs, Relics, Cuts, Rips, or Printing Plates

2009 Upper Deck Piece Of History - $48
16 packs per box, 7 cards per pack
(1) Piece of Hollywood Memorabilia Card
(2) MLB Memorabilia Cards
(1) Autograph Card

2009 Upper Deck Icons - $81
6 cards per pack, 10 packs per box
(2) Memorabilia cards
(1) Signature card

Basketball

2007/08 Upper Deck SPx - $88
10 packs per box, 3 cards per pack
(10) autographed or memorabilia cards

2008/09 Upper Deck - $52
16 packs per box, 20 cards per pack
(3) Memorabilia Cards
(1) Autographed Card

Football

2009 Upper Deck Icons - $81
6 cards per pack, 10 packs per box
(3) autographed or game-used memorabilia cards

2009 Donruss Classics - $80
5 cards per pack, 18 packs per box
(3) Game-Used Memorabilia or Autographed cards

Hockey

2008/09 Upper Deck SPx - $86
18 packs per box, 4 cards per pack
(2) Rookie Jersey Cards
(1) Winning Materials Jersey Card
(1) Winning Combos Jersey Card

2008/09 Upper Deck NHL Champs - $100
24 packs per box, 5 cards per pack
(2) Mini-Signature Cards
(1) Mini-Threads Memorabilia Card

Total: $708 - 9 boxes
Hits: 37

Payment/Draft Schedule

August 10: Payments are due prior to this date! The draft order randomization video will be done.

August 11: Picks 1-12 MUST make their picks, OR submit a proxy list.

August 12: Picks 13-24 will be up.

August 13: Picks 25-36.

August 14: Picks 37-48.

August 15: Picks 49-60.

August 16: Picks 61-72.

August 17: Picks 73-84.

August 18: Picks 85-96.

August 19: Picks 97-108.

August 20: Picks 109-120.

August 21: Trade Deadline. Transactions will be posted.

Schedule for box breaks

Baseball Hobby Boxes - Friday, August 21 @ 9:30pm EST
Basketball Hobby Boxes - Friday, August 21 @ 9:30pm EST
Football Hobby Boxes - Friday, August 21 @ 9:30pm EST
Hockey Hobby Boxes - Friday, August 21 @ 9:30pm EST

All breaks will take place on Ustream.TV. This provides a solution for LIVE, interactive events as well as archives of all events that were previously broadcast. Click here to view.

Current Members
1. mjda - Paid
2. SIERRASDADDY - Paid
3. joey244 - Paid
4. captkirk42 - Paid
5. bob_TCC - Paid
6. road_runner_1964 - Paid
7. northicehero99 - Paid
8. Luke2411 - Paid
9. pavi39 - Paid
10. booth9919 - Paid
11. knuckleballerMC - Paid
12. bajmurray - Paid
13. mjda - Paid
14. josh3302 - In Progress
15. Axe725 - Paid
16. dekno2 - Paid
17. mjda - Paid
18. mjda - Paid
19. maple19 - Paid
20. mwagner24 - Paid
21. aceecards - Paid
22. NYMETSJETS - Paid
23. abcdefg - Paid
24. Kmart6nets - Paid
25. Derek4484 - Paid
26. yodude91 - Paid
27. Pete - Paid
28. Karlitos Way - Paid
29. Pete - Paid
30. Herdfan13 - Paid

BOLD represents confirmed members.

Waiting List

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All members will be offered spots in the order they're added to the waiting list. If you would like to be added to the waiting list either post in the thread or feel free to PM me.

Draft process

1. Draft consists of 4 rounds of 30 picks per round.
2. Any sport can be selected in any round.
3. Each member can only draft one team from each sport.

With this method, we seem to find a good balance between allowing members to focus on their primary sports while still maintaining the desired level of randomness and multi-sport theme.

Starting this month, we have implemented a draft schedule. Each member will have specific days, depending on their pick number, when they must make their draft picks. Any members that fail to either make their pick or submit a proxy list will get a team selected by the host, or get a random team.

Determination of draft order

A random draft order will be determined for the 1st and 3rd rounds of the draft. That random draft order will be determined through the use of the List Randomizer tool on RANDOM.ORG. The 2nd and 4th rounds of the draft will be reversed from rounds 1 and 3 respectively.

Also, determination of the random draft order will be broadcast LIVE on Ustream.TV. That way, we'll all see what happens when it happens!

Trading of Teams

Drafted teams can be traded between club members up until a specified deadline - before the first box is opened. In addition, members are not required to keep one team from each sport.

Determination of Cards

All cards (base, parallels and inserts) are assigned to teams based on the following set of rules, in this order:

1) The cards will go to the team printed on the card.
2) The cards will go to the team pictured in the uniform.
3) The cards will go to the team the player currently plays for.
4) The cards will go to the team the player played for the longest (or is best known for).
5) The cards will go to the team the player was drafted to.

Any cards that cannot be determined by one of the rules above will be determined in a random drawing.

Cards that involve players from more than one team (e.g., dual AU or GU cards) will be assigned to one of the eligible club members by a random drawing. A multi-player card that includes a player from an undrafted team or an undrafted player does not open those cards up to every single member. Instead, the random drawing is still just be limited to the members that have the rest of the teams featured on the card. If one member owns more than 1 team on the card, that member will have their name entered into the drawing for each team they own.

Each pull from the 2 undrafted NFL teams will be given away using a random selection between all 30 members of the club. All of the hits and inserts will be drawn for 1 at a time, while the base cards will be drawn for as a lot for each team. So, even after all of the boxes are opened, there's still final chances to get some nice cards!

All random drawings will be held live on uStream.tv, and will be recorded for later viewing.

Transactions

Transactions will be created for each spot that is purchased. Those transactions will be posted prior to the first hobby box being opened.

Shipping

All base cards will be placed in one or more team bags, wrapped in bubble wrap, and carefully placed in a bubble mailer. All non-base cards will be placed in individual card sleeves, toploaders and team bags (multiple cards per bag). All cards are then placed in a bubble mailer. Delivery Confirmation will be used on all domestic packages and the appropriate Customs Declaration form will be used for all international packages.

Disclaimer

Here's the key thing to understand about group box breaks:

The nature of group box breaks is that each participant may or may not receive "great pulls" or even any cards at all (wise box selection should avoid this). Therefore, a member is purchasing the opportunity to take part in the group as well as any cards that result from that opportunity.

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Welcome to a new month guys! I think all the new rules should be laid out there pretty clear. We've already had a few suggestions on swapping out the hockey boxes, and 1 suggestion on swapping out basketball. As a primary basketball collector, I prefer the selection that we currently have, but let's hear any other suggestions.

I've also went ahead and swapped Finest out for Allen & Ginter. From the breaks I've seen it doesn't look like a bad option. The only downside is the number of randoms I'll have to do following that break. laugh.gif

If your name isn't in bold in the list above, it means you aren't confirmed for August yet so please let us know if you'll be joining us again.

EDIT: I have sent a PM to all the unconfirmed members.


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abcdefg has confirmed via PM that he'll be keeping his spot again for August.

EDIT: Luke2411 has also confirmed via PM that he'll be keeping his spot for August.


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QUOTE(northicehero99 @ Jul 22 2009, 06:19 AM)
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No later than August 10, but the sooner everyone pays the better. That way this month isn't stretched all the way to September.


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QUOTE(Kmart6nets @ Jul 22 2009, 07:41 AM)
Michael... Get me your paypal address and I can get you payment next week... Thanks


I've added my paypal address to the first post where payment details are. For everyone pays between Tuesday and Friday of next week, I won't get your status on the main post updated until Saturday because I'll be out of town.

mikeadd10 was unable to participate this month, but asked to be added to the waiting list. captkirk42 has agreed to take the spot that opened up, so we're still full.


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Guys, I've been browsing boxes all morning trying to find something that would work for hockey. We've had at least a few people now that aren't happy with the initial selection. How would you guys like to do 2008/09 Upper Deck Ice paired with 2008/09 Upper Deck SP Game Used? I know Brian wasn't extremely excited about the Ice, but I'd like to keep it on the list if we can since it's a new(ish) product that we haven't done yet. Also, I know it puts us over the budget again but oh well. That's how we roll! laugh.gif tongue.gif Let me know what you think hockey dudes!


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This should be my last month of credit with Bob!


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I be in favor of a ICE / SPGU Combo for hockey as both are good products that yield nice hits we could get more hits with BAP but we get plenty of it in other breaks.

For A & G you are going to have to do a lot of randoming for the non pro sports cards im assuming this isnt a big concern for you but just making sure that is what would be done.

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I actually vote against Giner and Piece of history ICE and ULTRA hockey and the basketball ID stick with UD products! There is no Lebron , kobe or MJ in any Topps products and the fleer stuff is garbage!


Football wise Topps hobby series 1 should be out for august and that would seem better than classics!


WAY too many randoms!

Way too many shortages in Ginter!

Pick another baseball product in my opinion!

and as far as that low end hockey junk cancel ice and ultra and sweet shot and pick something that has some everlasting value. Champs is a nice product and there would be 4-5 randoms from it.

OPC Premier is too pricey but a nice box of series 1 or series 2 with the young guns would be ok.. or another box of the bAP which yields 9 hits is a lot more fun than two boxes of dreck!

I think with the box selection process overall you have to think QUALITY over Quantity!


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I agree Quality over Quantity is important but if that is something you really want to stress you shouldnt suggest BAP. Ice and SPGU are both good products if anything i would consider moving out ice for SPA (money allowing).

The basketball products do look weak maybe getting Threads or SPX involved be a good idea.

Ginter would be really tough for this kind of break but i dont really know what to replace it with.

Football i leave as is as Classics is a better product then Topps .

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We did BAP last month, so I'm not sure we should do it again. However, it does yield us 8 autos! biggrin.gif I'll wait to hear from some more of our "hockey guys" before swapping it again.

With A&G, all the non-sports hits will be determined via random drawing. I'll just keep those cards off to the side and do the random drawing following the break. If you don't want us to do this, do you have any suggestions?

Finally, I'll look at replacing the basketball products with something else. However, it's still going to have to be a combination that will still yield us more than just a handful of total cards. Some of our other products have had single boxes with more total cards than we've broken in 2 months of basketball. I'll look around and see what I can find that we haven't done yet.

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What would you guys think about 2007/08 Upper Deck SPx (10 hits) and 2008/09 Upper Deck (4 hits) for basketball?


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I'm ok with it.....but I don't really know about basketball products.....

for hockey, we should do either Champs, SPA, SPx or maybe even masterpieces?


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QUOTE(Canucksfan1812 @ Jul 22 2009, 05:25 PM)
for hockey, we should do either Champs, SPA, SPx or maybe even masterpieces?


Champs was one I looked at this morning, but didn't know what everyone else might think of it. I'm automatically a fan because of the non-sports stuff in it! laugh.gif We did SPx 2 months ago, but if we want to do it again we could pair that with Champs. What do you guys think? So far we have these 2 options:

Option 1: 08/09 Ice + 08/09 SP Game-Used

Option 2: 08/09 SPx + 08/09 Champs


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Here is my thoughts on the Hockey:

Champs I liked but there are bad boxes. Most yield 3 hits (2 autos, 1 gu), but I have seen boxes with up to 5 hits. It has 12 rookies and some other variables that make it worth opening.

SPx I liked as there are 5 hits again there are bad boxes, but I think for the price this is worth opening.

My vote in hockey would be for that pairing.

I also like Steve's idea of getting a UD S1 or S2 for the Young Gun rookie chase. My recommendations there would be 07-8 UD S1 (lots of decent rcs Kane, Price, Gagner, Lucic, Ryan, Backstrom, etc), or 08-09 UD S1.


Why I did not like the others:

SPGU is an ok product but it is too pricey for the return in my opinion. Getting 6 gu at $20-30 a pack of which 4 are worth bv of $10-15 just does not make sense to me. There are some decent hits, but I think the risk to reward is just not worth it.

Ice while I think the RCs are cool, the product just lacks something for me, maybe that is because all the better rookies are very shortprinted at 1 per case or maybe it is the lack luster auto list.


I like these but here is why they are not good for group breaks:

08-09 Masterpieces is nice and one of my favorites, but all the teams are not featured in the product, so some draftees in hockey would be drawing dead for this product. The same goes for 06-7 Parkhurst, it is a nice product but not all 30 NHL teams are featured.




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I like your basketball Idea mjda.. lets please stick with UD products.. just a lot more chance of hitting a grand slam with that in basketball! Magic and Bird are nice in Topps but their prices have fallen as Topps has issued so much stuff that.. well it just aint worth it.

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SPGU (for any sport)Dont waste your money it is total dreck and I opened a case of it from each in the past so if you want some GU let me know!

If you are going to spend that kind of money buy OPC Premier or football premier or baseball or I know only 5 cards but hey odds are a lot better of a major hit or two.

Champs is a blast all the major rookies and plenty of stuff.. including a possible randomized fossill..

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Michael....looks like there's still a spot or two open. If so, I be glad to take one. Thanks.
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