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Posted by: mjda Jul 7 2009, 09:12 PM

Guys, I've created this topic so that all of our members may discuss what they'd like to see done differently with this group going forward. I'd also like to get you guys to confirm whether or not you're going to remain in the group for next month.

I've listed below a few things that come to mind that have been mentioned.

Card Distribution

There is currently a small gray area that it seems some cards seem to fall in to that needs to be cleared up. Here is my suggestion on the way the cards should be handled in the future, in this order:

1) The cards will go to the team printed on the card.
2) The cards will go to the team pictured in the uniform.
3) The cards will go to the team the player currently plays for.
4) The cards will go to the team the player was drafted to.
5) The cards will go to the team the player played for the longest (or is best known for).

Draft Order

This is one of the biggies that I would like to hear several opinions on. It's been suggested that we use a snake draft. I would suggest that we have 2 random orders, for the 1st and 3rd rounds. Then we will snake the 1st round to make the 2nd round, and snake the 3rd round to make the 4th round.

Break Months

At least a few people have stated that they'd like to see this group become a bi-monthly group, or a quarterly group. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. If we do this, what do you guys think about bumping the fee to $50 a person to allow for a better box selection, adding to the number of possible hits we could pull?

Please let me know what you think about these decisions. These are ones we'll definitely need to come to a decision on before we decide to continue on with future months. We'll be going with the majority on all of them.

Now, here is something I'd like to talk about that hasn't been brought up yet. Right now the rule says that everyone must take 1 team from each sport. What would you guys think about changing this so that anyone can take a team from any sport in any round, as long as all their teams don't all come from the same sport? I think this would make the drafting process a lot more interesting, while at the same time allowing members who may not collect one or more of the sports to not have to end up with cards they do not want.

Also, if you'd like to see something else done differently please mention it in this topic so that we can discuss it before the break starts rolling along again.

Current Members
1. mjda
2. sgmco
3. joey244
4. mikeadd10
5. bob_TCC
6. road_runner_1964
7. northicehero99
8. Luke2411
9. pavi39
10. booth9919
11. phinsfan77
12. bajmurray
13. chrome421
14. josh3302
15. Axe725
16. dekno2
17. otter8418
18. Canucksfan1812
19. maple19
20. mwagner24
21. aceecards
22. DCool
23. abcdefg
24. Kmart6nets
25. Derek4484
26. yodude91
27. Pete
28. Karlitos Way
29. dabeastlykid
30. Herdfan13

BOLD represents confirmed members.

Waiting List

If you would like to be adding to our waiting list, please PM me or just post in the thread.

Posted by: bajmurray Jul 7 2009, 09:22 PM

I appreciate the invitation to join this illustrious group, & am honored to accept.

Posted by: mjda Jul 7 2009, 09:24 PM

Thanks for joining! I've got you down as confirmed. Please also chime in with your thoughts on the topics above.

Posted by: aceecards Jul 7 2009, 09:30 PM

i am 100% for the snake draft and conducting randoms for rounds 1 and 3.. then snake 2 and 4!

as far as the teams go.. and we will use starsberg for example.. he shouldve been a national not random.. we treat football that way and we should treat hockey and baseball and basketball the same

Posted by: mjda Jul 7 2009, 09:37 PM

I absolutely agree Steve! I made the wrong decision last month, but hope that the new set of rules I've listed above should avoid any future problems. That said, I assume you agree with the determination rules I've posted above?

By the way guys, I'm making a list on paper here at the house with everyone's votes and/or ideas rather than updating the first post as it could get really long and messy doing so.

Posted by: bajmurray Jul 7 2009, 09:48 PM

It has often been said that there is not an issue in the entire history of mankind upon which I do not have an opinion (an accurate statement I might add )

Therefore, here's my opinion:


Card Distribution: I agree with the proposal.

Draft order: I prefer a snake draft. I'd be OK with either one that snakes like a fantasy football draft, or with the one you propose.

Frequency: Has there been a issue with frequency in the past? As someone who has been accused (particularly by She Who Must Be Obeyed) of getting in too many group breaks, I can understand the desire to have a break less frequently than monthly. A semi-monthly or quarterly break would be good with me.

Team selection: I like one team per sport during the draft, with an option to trade afterwards. This is a multi sport break, & should be handled as such. People who like only one or 2 sports should seek out breaks that limit themselves to one sport (this from someone who HATES basketball)

Movie review: Go see Public Enemies! One of the best movies I have seen in years!!

Posted by: mjda Jul 7 2009, 09:53 PM

Thanks for your reply Brian (hope it's ok if I use your first name ). Also, being a movie lover myself I'm ashamed to say that I haven't seen that movie. However, I can assure you that it's now on my list of things to see.

Posted by: booth9919 Jul 7 2009, 09:57 PM

put me on the list

Posted by: Pete Jul 7 2009, 11:15 PM

Count me in again.

I totally agree with that.

The rest sounds good.

Pete

Posted by: mjda Jul 8 2009, 06:56 AM

What about going to a bi-monthly or quarterly break and bumping the price to $50 per spot instead of $25?

Posted by: Pete Jul 8 2009, 07:36 AM

Sounds good to me. I'd be happy with bi-monthly @ $50 but will go with the majority.

Posted by: josh3302 Jul 8 2009, 08:25 AM

I'll be in again, and will pay double due to you covering me last month. As for the rules for the group heres what I think

Team LISTED on the card it should go to. If you made it the team they currently play for you may pick a team to get a certain player and then that player gets pulled but let's say is traded 5 days before the break. That would absolutley not be fair.

Break months:

If we up it to $50 even if we do the break every other month then I will have to withdraw from the group. Even though I'd still be paying $50 within two months. I am on a $50 budget every month, so doing the break every month I have $25 left over.

Draft Order:

Snake is the way to go. Only fair way at this point. I would say Random 1 and 3 like Steve said and snake 2 and 4

Posted by: pavi39 Jul 8 2009, 10:31 AM

Card Distribution

There is currently a small gray area that it seems some cards seem to fall in to that needs to be cleared up. Here is my suggestion on the way the cards should be handled in the future, in this order:

1) The cards will go to the team printed on the card.
2) The cards will go to the team pictured in the uniform.
3) The cards will go to the team the player currently plays for.
4) The cards will go to the team the player was drafted to.
5) The cards will go to the team the player played for the longest (or is best known for).


I would reverse 4 & 5. Elway was drafted by the colts, but I would rather see him going to the Broncos. Just one example I can think of. You may not have this problem if he is pictured as a Bronco, but I'd rather make sure he goes to the team he's most known for than the one who drafted him

Draft Order

I agree we should random 1&3 and then snake 2&4

Break Months

At least a few people have stated that they'd like to see this group become a bi-monthly group, or a quarterly group. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. If we do this, what do you guys think about bumping the fee to $50 a person to allow for a better box selection, adding to the number of possible hits we could pull?


with the amount of time we have taken drafting I'd rather see this as a bimonthly break. I still think we should keep it at $25 - more affordable for more members.



Now, here is something I'd like to talk about that hasn't been brought up yet. Right now the rule says that everyone must take 1 team from each sport. What would you guys think about changing this so that anyone can take a team from any sport in any round, as long as all their teams don't all come from the same sport? I think this would make the drafting process a lot more interesting, while at the same time allowing members who may not collect one or more of the sports to not have to end up with cards they do not want.

I think part of the allure of being able to pick from 1 sport is the chance to get cards from a sport you may not buy much of. The trading part should take care of this for people who do not want a team from 1 sport.

Posted by: maple19 Jul 8 2009, 11:49 AM

I like the by-monthy You can get better boxes better Hits

And Snake Draft

I still in for Sure

mike

Posted by: road_runner_1964 Jul 8 2009, 01:33 PM

I am in, I will make comments later.

Posted by: mjda Jul 8 2009, 03:31 PM

I agree with this as well, and I'm sure other members would too. #4 was mainly meant for players in their college uniforms, or some other type of uniform (olympic uniforms).

Posted by: Canucksfan1812 Jul 8 2009, 05:19 PM

I would keep it a monthly thing with the same price...

As for the Drafting order, I'm fine with anything cause it's really up to the boxes to deliver.

I think we should keep it as a one team per sport thing....since trading takes care of people wanting the same sport.

BTW...I'm in again!

Posted by: Karlitos Way Jul 8 2009, 06:04 PM

I'm in. Thanks for the invite.

Cool with the draft order and distribution. Like the Bi-Monthly idea for $50.

As for the one team from each sport rule... If it was lifted it could actually open up the possibility for more trades (trading/trading for two teams in the same sport for a better team in any sport, etc.). Just a thought...

Posted by: mikeadd10 Jul 8 2009, 06:17 PM

I don't know if I'll be able to stick in this Break as much as I really enjoyed my time in this break I don't think I'll be able to continue.

Good Luck to all those involved (I may be back in a couple of months)

Thanks for everything Micheal,

Michael

Posted by: mjda Jul 8 2009, 06:27 PM

Actually, right now you don't have to keep one team from each sport. You only have to draft one team from each sport. If you wanted to trade all 4 of your teams for 1 other team, that would be fine also.



Sorry to see you go Mike. PM me whenever you feel like you want to join the group again, when/if that time comes.

Posted by: mjda Jul 8 2009, 06:49 PM

chrome421 has stated via PM that he will take one of our available spots. I've also invited him to join our discussion in this topic about the changes.

Posted by: chrome421 Jul 8 2009, 06:57 PM

Card Distribution

I agree with a previous poster that 4 and 5 should be swapped.

4) The cards will go to the team the player was drafted to.
5) The cards will go to the team the player played for the longest (or is best known for).

Draft Order

Snake draft is the most fair way to make sure teams with low draft spots at least get to draft early in the next round.

Break Months

$25 per month or $50 every other month sounds good to me. I would prefer $25 per month, but I understand the drafting process is time consuming and the product choices are not as strong with only $25 per person.


My opinion on what sport you must draft...

I would personally not have a problem with people drafting all football teams, and not taking a baseball or basketball team for example. The reason I think this is fair is because it allows you to take the best available team when it is your turn to draft regardless of the sport. Instead of being forced to take the 23rd best basketball team for instance, the 12th best baseball team may be a better option for you even though you already drafted a baseball team earlier.

Posted by: yodude91 Jul 8 2009, 08:22 PM

count me in

Posted by: Axe725 Jul 9 2009, 06:03 AM

I"m in again whatever obtions are chosen is fine with me

Posted by: joey244 Jul 9 2009, 07:44 AM

I'm in again, as for the rule changes I like these ideas.

1) The cards will go to the team printed on the card.
2) The cards will go to the team pictured in the uniform.
3) The cards will go to the team the player currently plays for.
4) The cards will go to the team the player was drafted to.
5) The cards will go to the team the player played for the longest (or is best known for).
I like this but I too think we should change 4 and 5

Draft Order
Snake is fine with me.

Break Months
I like the monthly break at $25, if this changed to a bi-monthly $50 group I would have to drop out

I would like to keep it at one sport per draft. Trades should take care of those folks wanting more than one team in a certain sport.

Posted by: sahetu Jul 9 2009, 07:47 AM

I is out!

Posted by: mjda Jul 9 2009, 09:09 AM

Hate to see you go Andrew! If you ever want back in the group, just shoot me a PM and we'll get you on the waiting list (if there is one ).

Posted by: mwagner24 Jul 9 2009, 11:36 AM

You know I'm back Mike...I love the hit!

AS for the future months...I am going into high school and my $$ is on a budget...so I would not be able to participate in the $50 break....I agree with snake draft.....I also think people should have the freedom of what sports to take team in......as long as one sport has no team taken and one sport has all taken......thanks mike and can't wait to join again!

Posted by: mjda Jul 9 2009, 11:50 AM

I'm glad you like it! I'll have to practice some more and try to make more in the future. Maybe next time I won't really cut up my clothes or favorite hat though! If I'm going to use official "break worn" swatches I'm going to have to start wearing some old clothes, or maybe even the same ones each month with holes in 'em.

Guys, I'll tally the votes up when I get home this evening to know for sure, but so far it looks like for the most part people are good with the card distribution (with 4 and 5 reversed). It looks like most want to see the snake draft. It also seems most want to keep this as a monthly group at $25 per spot. As for the team selection, it seems most want to keep it how it is drafting 1 team from each sport and allowing the trades at the end.

Remember, if you don't give us your opinion we have no choice but to assume you're ok with whatever everyone else decides. Again, if you have anything you'd like to add to the proposed ideas, or add another idea of your own this is the time to do it.

Posted by: Canucksfan1812 Jul 9 2009, 03:57 PM

High school???or do you mean university??

Posted by: northicehero99 Jul 9 2009, 05:08 PM

I am in.

I am ok with Card Distribution method.

Snake, I am going to oppose it. As I stated with 30 people it is less fair than random. If you have 15 people it is more fair but with 30 people picking, nearly two whole sports can be cleared before the final 15 members get their second pick. Say you draft 15th in the first round then you do not draft again until 45th. With this method you better hope your first pick is the right one as the second one is going to be pretty far off for picking a good team.

Picking more than 1 team from a sport I vote NO. If you snake, then the majority of the teams in a sport could disappear before some members get second picks or even first picks for late 1st round drafters. I would leave as is, that you have to trade for an additional team in a sport.

Posted by: mjda Jul 9 2009, 06:13 PM

My votes are pretty much in line with yours too Brian, especially on the draft order. However, it looks like we're going to be outvoted.

Posted by: mjda Jul 9 2009, 06:23 PM

booth9919 has confirmed via PM that he will take one of our empty slots.

Posted by: northicehero99 Jul 9 2009, 07:03 PM

Well if that is the way the vote goes then that is the way it goes. All I can do is state why I am opposed to it, and hope others agree with me in theory.

Posted by: maple19 Jul 9 2009, 08:04 PM

I don,t like were you can pick 4 teams from the same sport ..

mike

Posted by: dekno2 Jul 10 2009, 07:12 PM

Ill take the #16 spot since its open

Posted by: mjda Jul 10 2009, 10:13 PM

Thanks Chris! I've got you down! Please feel free to chime in with your opinions on the topics at hand.

Posted by: bob_TCC Jul 11 2009, 12:59 AM

Just want to make sure that I'm clear...

This group box break won't be happening in July, correct?

-Bob

Posted by: mjda Jul 11 2009, 08:27 AM

That's right Bob. We'll be kicking it off again in August. I wanted to take the month off to talk about some changes it seemed everyone wanted to make. Also, I'll be gone for a week at the end of the month so I wouldn't be around to help the draft along, or even make my own picks. I also sent you a PM a few weeks ago about the files for the draft board. I need to update those with a few changes that would allow me to make people's picks for them if possible.

Posted by: mjda Jul 12 2009, 06:56 PM

If your name isn't in bold in the original post, you still need to confirm that you are keeping your spot in the group for August.

Also, if you'd like to have any say at all in the topics at hand, please give your input now. We will be going with the majority on all of the issues. If you do not respond, we'll have to assume that you are fine with whatever the rest of the group decides on.

Posted by: THUNDER9 Jul 13 2009, 12:20 PM

I'm done - no offense to anyone in the group. Just bad luck in the random draft - and the drafting process is too looooong! You want to REALLY make it interesting (and completely fair) randomize all the teams, by sport, to everyone. Then you'd have no idea what team you're getting, and there would be no week (or longer) draft process! Some of the best hits have come from teams nobody really cared about. Anyways, good luck and mucho mojo to you all!

Posted by: mjda Jul 13 2009, 12:26 PM

I hate to see you go Jeff, but understand your points. However, just as unfair you felt the random draft for each round was, I don't see how giving everyone a random team would be any better. I know I like having the opportunity to pick the teams I want each month.

Posted by: mjda Jul 13 2009, 12:31 PM

crpalmi has stated via PM that he will also no longer be a part of this group. We now have 2 spots available. If you would like to join the group, please let us know by posting here in the thread or feel free to PM me.

Posted by: josh3302 Jul 13 2009, 04:17 PM

I'll be in again, and will pay double due to you covering me last month. As for the rules for the group heres what I think

Team LISTED on the card it should go to. If you made it the team they currently play for you may pick a team to get a certain player and then that player gets pulled but let's say is traded 5 days before the break. That would absolutley not be fair.

Break months:

If we up it to $50 even if we do the break every other month then I will have to withdraw from the group. Even though I'd still be paying $50 within two months. I am on a $50 budget every month, so doing the break every month I have $25 left over.

Draft Order:

Snake is the way to go. Only fair way at this point. I would say Random 1 and 3 like Steve said and snake 2 and 4

Posted by: DCool Jul 14 2009, 03:41 PM

I like the proposed changes with regards to drafting. I am also favorable to a $50 bi-monthly break, so we can get a better selection of boxes. Count me in

Posted by: mjda Jul 16 2009, 04:38 PM

Still looking for a few more to verify that they'll be in for August, and share their thoughts on the topics at hand.

Attention: If you would like to join the group, we have 3 slots available. Simply post here or feel free to PM me.

Posted by: mjda Jul 16 2009, 04:56 PM

I was just thinking, it might also not be a bad idea to start talking boxes. I'll post up a tentative list tonight at some point. In the mean time, what do you guys think about breaking Icons football? I'd really like to get a look at the product, but it could also mean randoms. It's also pretty "hit or miss" from what I've seen. I'd still like to try it, but give me your thoughts. I was thinking 1 box of Icons and 1 box of Classics as our football boxes.

Also, I was thinking that for the sports that don't have any new products, we might start digging back a good ways at older products that have already dropped in price to help maximize the number of hits/inserts we can get. Cheaper boxes equals more boxes!

Posted by: mjda Jul 16 2009, 06:42 PM

Here is a tentative list of boxes that could be opened in August. Let me know what you guys think. I know the Topps Finest is a repeat product, but I really liked it as a baseball pick. Obviously, we can change it if everyone else disagrees.

Baseball

2009 Topps Finest - $95.99 (blowout)
2009 Upper Deck Piece Of History - $52.95 (dacardworld)
2009 Upper Deck Icons - $75.99 (blowout)

Basketball

2008-09 Fleer - $51.95 (dacardworld)
2007-08 Topps Luxury Box - $74.95 (dacardworld)

Football

2009 Upper Deck Icons - $78.99 (blowout)
2009 Donruss Classics - $79.95 (dacardworld)

Hockey

2007-08 Upper Deck Sweet Shot - $55.95 (dacardworld)
2008-09 Fleer Ultra - $36.95 (dacardworld)
2008-09 Upper Deck Ice - $71.99 (blowout)

Total: 10 Boxes! - 38 Hits! - $675.66

Posted by: chrome421 Jul 16 2009, 07:54 PM

As primarily a football collector, those football boxes seem like the ones to break for August. As far as the Fleer Ultra Hockey, perhaps we could get rid of that and put that money ($36.95) towards upgrading another product. Keep in mind, I do not know much about hockey cards and I do not know how good or bad Fleer Ultra hockey is. Just seems like we may be better off canning that product if we can make better use.

Let me know what you guys think?

Posted by: mjda Jul 16 2009, 08:38 PM

That sounds fine to me. I'm up for whatever the group wants to do!

Posted by: Canucksfan1812 Jul 17 2009, 03:34 PM

We should switch 09 FInest Baseball to 09 Allen & GInter.... and we should try and avoid Sweet Shot hockey as well as Ultra Hockey!

Posted by: mjda Jul 17 2009, 05:11 PM

I'm afraid with A&G there will be too many randoms, but if you guys want to do it, I'd LOVE to open a box! As far as hockey goes, I really don't know much about the hockey products yet as far as which ones are good or not. One of the reasons I wanted to start this break. I'm up for whatever you guys want. What would you recommend as a replacement that would offer the same number of hits as those 2?

Posted by: josh3302 Jul 18 2009, 01:20 PM

A&G will cause WAY too many randoms. I say take out 09 Finest though and maybe do 08 Triple Threads or something.

Order everything from either Dacardworld or everything from Blowout. Blowout is usually cheaper but Dacardworld gives nice products depending on how much is bought

Posted by: mjda Jul 18 2009, 01:25 PM

08 Triple Threads is nearly twice as much as the Finest, so we wouldn't be able to use that as a replacement. I wouldn't mind doing a box of A&G, as it still gives us 3 hits, and a good amount of other inserts. The only thing is the randoms. I don't mind doing them at all, if you guys don't mind them either. Also, I'd still like to hear at least 1 more suggestion for what to do about the hockey selection.

Posted by: Kmart6nets Jul 20 2009, 12:31 PM

Still have some open spots? I'll take one this month!

EDIT: Actually, only if it's a $25 spot.. Not interested in a $50/month spot at the moment.

Posted by: mjda Jul 20 2009, 12:38 PM

Yes, it will remain at $25/spot and I've put you down. Please let us know what you think about the box selection. The only change so far looks like Finest for Allen and Ginter baseball.

Posted by: Kmart6nets Jul 20 2009, 12:41 PM

Sorry if I'm missing something... Where is the box selection?

Posted by: mjda Jul 20 2009, 12:53 PM

Here is a link to the post. Keep in mind this is just a tentative list for August's break. Nothing is in concrete, so if you'd like to suggest a swap, just let us know.

http://www.tradingcardcentral.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=234581&view=findpost&p=2141894

Also, swapping Finest for Allen and Ginter frees up another $10 or so to add in to hockey if we choose to replace a few of those products.

Posted by: Kmart6nets Jul 20 2009, 01:13 PM

Duh... Sorry

Posted by: mjda Jul 20 2009, 05:22 PM

Guys, it doesn't look like we're going to get any more votes on the topics at hand. That said, I'm going to tally the votes that we did get and go with the majority on those. I will be starting August's thread soon, with the new rules outlined. That will also give us a chance to get the box selection finalized before I go on vacation next Tuesday.

Attention: We're still looking to fill 1 more spot. If you would like to join us, please post in the thread or feel free to PM me. Slots are given out on a first come, first serve basis.

Posted by: maple19 Jul 20 2009, 08:20 PM

Hockey drop SS & ultra
You can get BAP AU 06/07 & 07/08 And will get 16 AU in the 2 boxes Plus RC,,

mike

Posted by: mjda Jul 20 2009, 08:55 PM

I think we could definitely swing that. It puts us about $20 over but, like last month, I wouldn't mind covering that extra cost for the group. That puts us at a box for each of the last 3 years, so great! I'll make the changes when I create August's thread.

For those of you wondering about the changes to the group, there weren't many. First of all, the card distribution will be handled as stated in the first post of this thread. We will be moving the draft to a snake style draft. We will continue having the group every month, and the price will remain at $25/month. Also, the rule will stand that forces each member to only draft 1 team from each sport. As usual, trading will still be allowed. These changes will also be updated in the new thread for August when it's created either tonight or tomorrow.

Posted by: northicehero99 Jul 20 2009, 09:23 PM

Just my thoughts on the hockey, scrapping the Ultra is a good idea, only 1 good RC per box and it is a redemption. Even though the price is good, just a bad product.

Sweet Shot is not bad IMO and still like that.

A little burnt out on the 06-7 and 07-8 BAP products as Bill's and Dwight's groups have broke those heavily. Moreso on 06-7 than 07-8, but it does add more hits and I would prefer that over the Ice and Ultra.

08-9 SPx has been giving 4-5 hits, or even another box of 08-09 BAP with 8 autos and 1 gu.

Posted by: mjda Jul 20 2009, 09:30 PM

I just wanted to do the Ice because as far as I can tell it's the newest hockey product that we can afford and haven't done yet, that looked decent. That said, I don't guess we HAVE to do it. I'm definitely up for hearing some more suggestions on it!

Posted by: Derek4484 Jul 21 2009, 03:30 PM

If there is an available spot I will take it.

Thanks .

Posted by: mjda Jul 21 2009, 04:24 PM

There is, indeed, 1 spot available. I'll mark you down as confirmed. Thanks for joining!

Guys, I'll be creating August's thread tonight. I'll also be sending PMs to all the unconfirmed members. I'll post a link to the new thread here so we can continue talking box selection there.

Posted by: booth9919 Jul 21 2009, 04:39 PM

Not a big fan of these, we could do spx or something like that I know 07-08 spx is around 80-90 and there is always other boxes that are cheaper




2008-09 Fleer - $51.95 (dacardworld)
2007-08 Topps Luxury Box - $74.95 (dacardworld)

Posted by: mjda Jul 21 2009, 05:59 PM

I thought about SPx, but we did that last month and quite a few people didn't even get any basketball cards at all. That was also the case when we did Topps Sigs. Luxury box gives us nearly twice as many cards and the same number of hits for a lower price. The Fleer was just something I picked out that gives us another 4 hits, and quite a few more cards for a low price. Obviously the cards aren't the best looking I've seen, but I think it will beat getting nothing like some did last month. If we decide to go with SPx again, I think we're still going to have to find another cheaper product to go with it. Anyone else have any suggestions on it?

Posted by: northicehero99 Jul 21 2009, 06:45 PM

It is an OK product, but I think there are better products. With the rcs at 99 copies for the better ones, they are a long shot, and the other stuff I have seen pulled just has not thrilled me with Ice.

Posted by: road_runner_1964 Jul 21 2009, 07:24 PM

09 Classics Football has been good so far.

Posted by: mjda Jul 21 2009, 08:24 PM

Guys, I've just posted August's thread. Let's continue the box selection talks there.

http://www.tradingcardcentral.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=237085

If a CZT member reads this, could you please unpin this one and pin the new one. Thanks in advance!

Posted by: DCool Jul 22 2009, 01:08 PM

Guys, some unforseen circumstances are forcing me to pull out of this group, and buying cards altogether for a while. Hopefully when I can find a new job, I'll be able to get back into thing. For now, I think it is best if I pass my spot in the group to someone who can enjoy it. Thanks for the experience, hopefully I'll be able to come back soon.