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Your thought on our 2 party system, does it work
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Feb 9 2007, 08:19 AM
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this is my minority report
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for those of us to the left of center, its been pretty obvious for awhile that the two party system doesn't really work here in the US. The 2000 election showed that a third party candidate can really mess things up. In 2000, you had Ralph Nader pretty much screw up the election for the Democrats. He had his right to run (free country), but by his running the people that would have voted for Gore over Bush, chose him instead. I think he only won like 1 or 2% of the popular vote, but that was enough to push the favor in Bush's direction. Now this isn't really the fault of our party system; it's really a flaw in our electoral system. Instead of using PR (proportional representation) like most of the other democracies of the world, we instead chose to use a form of FPP (first past the post) and the electoral college (bleh Florida, bleh Ohio and their shady Diebold touch screen voting systems that can be hacked). In FPP, a third party becomes a waste of time. You will never ever get close enough to a majority of people for it to matter. If we used PR, then the percentage of the vote you received would be the % of seats you hold in Congress. Depending on how you play it, then the leader majority party/coalition (if you don't reach a 50% majority you have to form a coalition gov) becomes the head of state. So if we had PR in 2000, nader's green party and gore's democratic party would have joined together, formed a coalition government and we wouldn't have any of the questions that sprung up after the 2000 election. Now, PR doesn't always work. Sometimes people can't see eye to eye (even when they sit on the same side of the political spectrum) and they can't form a coalition gov. One good example of how PR doesn't want to work always is Italy. Anyone that follows world politics, knows that Italy has had problems w/ corruption and just passing normal laws and alot of it has been blamed on their electoral system. If you want to read more about proportional representation or FPP check out these wiki pages to start you off: Proportional RepresentationFirst Past the Postand then there are a number of good books on the subject.
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ffman |
Feb 9 2007, 08:56 AM
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Merry Christmas!
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The thing I disagree with on our two-party system is the extreme partisanship. Democrats and Republicans have a horrible time trying to work together (half the time, they don't even TRY to work together), and it looks like a good deal of our voting public will only vote for a candidate based on party, no matter what.
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Tromni |
Feb 9 2007, 09:27 AM
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Well the reason for the partisan bickering is not that we have two parties, but that we have two opinions that refuse to be compromised on. Obviously there can be no compromise on an issue like homosexual marriage where one side judges it moral and the other immoral. A half-immoral solution would please no one. Government in general is dangerous. Nothing is safe while the Congress is in session. If, since the inception of the Dow Jones Industrial Average in 1897, you'd invested $1 only on days when Congress was in session, you'd have $2 today. If you'd invested only on days when Congress was out of session, you'd have $216 today. That's why a 2 party system is brilliant. Very little gets accomplished in most cases. The American people have long shown a preference for divided government precisely because no laws are usually better than lots of laws. The travesty of Reconstruction occurred when the Republicans had a veto-proof majority in both house of Congress. As for a parliamentary system being better, I would prefer a do-nothing Congress to a Congress that contains representatives from the Know Nothing Party
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Feb 9 2007, 11:17 AM
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I just don't understand you voting system. All that about electoral districts and that, if one country has a little more than half the votes, they control the whole State. Sorry for comparing always to Argentina, but it's what my experience let's me know. Here we have a 1 party system almost (the Justicialist Party), which comes from Peron's times. The country was one before Peron and another after him. People got used to getting all they needed to leave from the State, and now some of them just don't want to work anymore. So they use the State to get everything, and that's where political clientelism appears. People vote for one candidate or another just because they give them a pair of shoes after voting, or maybe they give them food. This is becoming usual here in Argentina, and won't stop until the majority of our people escape from poverty and misery.
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Jan 17 2013, 02:41 PM
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Our two-party system lends to the political bickering, showboating, grandstanding, etc that goes on today. If so many issues weren't split Democrat/Republican with no middle ground, things might be better.
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