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post Jun 21 2012, 06:05 PM
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the first design of many for the folks in the streets
of Tampa, Florida in August.

We'll sweat hard in the Dog Days but rest assured,
we will be heard , photographed and videoed.

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QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 29 2012, 10:42 AM)
Quoting numbers by the left leaning, partisan, CBO won't get you anywhere with me or probably anyone else.

So you'll listen to Charles Blahous over the CBO?
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QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 29 2012, 10:42 AM)
Quoting numbers by the left leaning, partisan, CBO won't get you anywhere with me or probably anyone else.

According to Charles Blahous, who was appointed by Obama and oversees the finances for Social Security and Medicare, those numbers are completely skewed by the federal government's (poor) accounting practices and that Obamacare will actually increase the deficit by $346 billion from 2012-2021, which is his "optimistic" estimate.

Find his report here.

Brother, Blahous was a George W. Bush economic policy adviser. wink.gif Secondly, read his report from beginning to end... You cant pick and choose where to apply his logic and reasoning...

By Blahous’s accounting, debt as a percentage of GDP would drop to almost zero by 2050. That’s essentially equivalent to the drop predicted by Paul Ryan’s latest “Path to Prosperity” budget. If Blahous’s accounting framework is accurate, there is no long-term debt problem and thus no need for the GOP’s 2013 budget proposal.

To prove his report is nonsense Rep. Ryan and his republican cronies didnt even use Blahous's baseline in their own budget plans. No one took his report serious, not even his peers. That report was bogus. It’s really not even saying anything in particular about the Affordable Care Act. It’s saying that the baseline we use to assess all legislation — from Obamacare to Paul Ryan’s budget — is wrong. And it’s saying that we actually don’t have a deficit problem at all.

Plenty of health care reform skeptics are praising Blahous's study. But no right wing politicians are using his baseline, so that should tell you its not factual. If it was, they'd be using it and quoting from it.

The fact is, the CBO has determined that a repeal would increase the deficit by $147 billion. Brother this worm hole gets DEEP.

The center where Blahous works was partly founded by none other than Charles Koch and he's still a board member there. Koch and his brother have personally donated over $40 million and helped raise over $100 million to defeat President Obama. The founder of the center where Blahous works use to head the Koch Industries lobbyist operations in D.C and he's the current president of the Koch charitable foundation. Everyone knows who the Koch brothers are and the power they hold.... No one takes that report serious.

Mike, this political wormhole is deep brother......


QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 29 2012, 10:42 AM)
Who determines who can, and can't, afford health care? Can I just send a letter in to the government and let them know that I can't afford it? My guess: probably not.
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Ummmm. How about your IRS tax returns... wink.gif



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You mean like emphatically telling all of America that Obamacare isn't a tax, only to turn it into exactly that?
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Tax, penalty, whatever Mike... I wont get in into word playing but the fact of the matter is this so called tax wouldnt apply to the average American.... Unless you're rich of course and hiding it from all of us. tongue.gif

In fact it helps us.... cool.gif

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To be quite honest, Jeremy, I find it extremely difficult to believe what anyone has to say on the matter because it's all just speculation. Nobody REALLY knows what this bill is going to do to our deficit and our already out of control debt problem. I know one thing is for sure, though, "giving" healthcare to millions more Americans is going to cost a LOT of money, and I don't believe it is the rich's responsibility to take care of us. They didn't become successful playing Robin Hood games.

QUOTE(Ilovetheheat @ Jun 29 2012, 10:18 AM)
Ummmm. How about your IRS tax returns... wink.gif


I'm still unsure how a tax return can adequately determine who can, and can't, afford health care. Will they draw a line at a specific dollar number? If that number is $20,000/year, what if someone makes $20,001/year. How is someone who makes $1/year any more able to pay for Obamacare? Is that all it's going to cost, is $1/year?

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Tax, penalty, whatever Mike... I wont get in into word playing but the fact of the matter is this so called tax wouldnt apply to the average American.... Unless you're rich of course and hiding it from all of us.  tongue.gif


Yes, according to the numbers in place now, if they don't change (which I find highly unlikely), I will not have to pay the tax. However, that still doesn't make me think it's right.

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In fact it helps us....  cool.gif


I never asked for help, especially not from the government. I was raised to believe that if I wanted something, I would just have to work my tail off for it. I've never had, nor have I ever wanted, anything given to me as if I "deserve" it for some fairytale reason.

Furthermore, if I wanted to live in a socialist country I'd simply pack my things up and move to one.


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RGBII   Gettin' ready for Tampa   Jun 21 2012, 06:05 PM
mjda   Looks like a great scare tactic poster.   Jun 21 2012, 06:32 PM
RGBII   [b]As I stated, the first of many! Collect H...   Jun 21 2012, 06:33 PM
sasports   Absolute redneck filth! Get a haircut and lay...   Jun 21 2012, 07:10 PM
RGBII   [b]Now you're stealing my quotes without ampl...   Jun 21 2012, 07:40 PM
aceecards   let me plagarize this. dont make me round up a fe...   Jun 21 2012, 10:06 PM
RGBII   [b]Mr. Emerick, I'll be buttoning you and you...   Jun 21 2012, 11:19 PM
mjda   Assuming I fall into the "your kind" c...   Jun 22 2012, 03:56 PM
RGBII   [b]Fine and dandy, I've got more designs in t...   Jun 22 2012, 04:20 PM
sasports   But of course you don't need help on your bar ...   Jun 22 2012, 06:03 AM
aceecards   I drank two jumbo margaritas tonite at my fave tex...   Jun 22 2012, 06:26 PM
RGBII   [b]Well, that just excluded me and mine from the ...   Jun 22 2012, 06:30 PM
aceecards   Lo-bama has been such a disappointment not even hi...   Jun 22 2012, 06:34 PM
aceecards   lol here is a sign for tampa.! http://i29.ph...   Jun 22 2012, 06:37 PM
RGBII   [b][size=14]Okay! The presumptive Republican ...   Jun 22 2012, 06:41 PM
aceecards   hey he is a d- oo- uu -cc-hh----- too so i say v...   Jun 22 2012, 06:54 PM
RGBII   [i]Oh, [u]yes, it can certainly be worse.[/i] [f...   Jun 22 2012, 07:05 PM
aceecards   some more of my faves..LOL http://i29.photobucket...   Jun 22 2012, 06:53 PM
ffman   The top one really doesn't work anymore - ga...   Jun 23 2012, 11:42 AM
booth9919   Let's just settle it now and say it's time...   Jun 22 2012, 07:33 PM
ISLP55   Obama BAD for Freedom. Ressurect the Greatest Pre...   Jun 22 2012, 07:35 PM
aceecards   Ron paul or Rick Santorum wouldve been betetr tha...   Jun 22 2012, 07:47 PM
RGBII   [b]Rick Santorum? You have got to be kidding me...   Jun 22 2012, 08:17 PM
aceecards   If you want to believe catch phrases like Hopey ...   Jun 23 2012, 07:45 AM
RGBII   [b]Roger that, your "opinion" is noted...   Jun 22 2012, 07:55 PM
redwing40   Ha, I never speak political views, let's put i...   Jun 22 2012, 08:40 PM
redwing40   Lol cut short my post by mistake, anyways who will...   Jun 22 2012, 08:48 PM
ISLP55   What do you mean well thought out responses? I li...   Jun 23 2012, 01:14 AM
RGBII   [b]I'll answer your vile diatribe point by ve...   Jun 23 2012, 04:46 AM
RGBII   [b]Collect Hard!, RGBII[/font]   Jun 23 2012, 06:11 AM
ISLP55   I'll give you that one, but only because of th...   Jun 23 2012, 06:31 AM
RGBII   [b]Mr. Perry, You were not singled out for your v...   Jun 23 2012, 06:36 AM
ISLP55   1-JP: What do you mean well thought out responses?...   Jun 23 2012, 07:17 AM
ISLP55   I do not believe you or at least your motives in...   Jun 23 2012, 07:28 AM
aceecards   Islp55, There is one thing Ive learned about Ric...   Jun 23 2012, 08:12 AM
RGBII   [b]Well put, Mr. Emerick, very well put! Coll...   Jun 23 2012, 08:27 AM
aceecards   I think we should stay focused on bashing the in...   Jun 23 2012, 08:37 AM
redwing40   Very well put indeed Steve, thats why I dont talk...   Jun 23 2012, 01:18 PM
ISLP55   The gas price one does not work any more...UNTIL t...   Jun 23 2012, 01:34 PM
ffman   The sitting president has little to do with curr...   Jun 23 2012, 02:14 PM
ISLP55   There in lies part of the problem. The old ada...   Jun 23 2012, 02:04 PM
redwing40   I understand, maybe I like your view's on wha...   Jun 23 2012, 02:43 PM
ISLP55   Steve, I am not out to change Richard,I am out to ...   Jun 23 2012, 02:49 PM
ISLP55   I agree to a point...directly they have no power...   Jun 23 2012, 02:59 PM
aceecards   politics are a weird subject, everyone seems to ha...   Jun 24 2012, 08:51 AM
RGBII   [b]Please, Mr. Perry, do not assume my motives. Yo...   Jun 24 2012, 06:47 PM
ISLP55   Richard, What I am fixing to say is for you and h...   Jun 24 2012, 11:19 PM
RGBII   [b]This one seemed like a great idea at inception ...   Jun 28 2012, 04:47 PM
mjda   Yeah, to every other country that is going to end ...   Jun 28 2012, 05:28 PM
RGBII   [b]I am officially a prognosticator now. I calle...   Jun 28 2012, 05:35 PM
mjda   You and everyone else in this country. It's ...   Jun 28 2012, 05:48 PM
RGBII   [b]By the way, the correct terminology is . . . ...   Jun 28 2012, 07:21 PM
mjda   Obviously Obamacare works too. You knew what I w...   Jun 28 2012, 08:48 PM
Zimbow   I can't wait to pay into the tax! Anywa...   Jun 29 2012, 04:29 AM
ISLP55   SO true...when a polititian (either side) think...   Jun 29 2012, 12:29 AM
Ilovetheheat   Mike, you know I love ya but every time I hear so...   Jun 29 2012, 08:21 AM
mjda   Quoting numbers by the left leaning, partisan, C...   Jun 29 2012, 09:42 AM
ISLP55   Good Debate. I have one Question; When has ANY bu...   Jun 30 2012, 09:36 PM


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