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coltsfan23
post Sep 25 2006, 05:58 PM
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What do u think the 28th Amendment will be? What are everyone's opinions?


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post Sep 26 2006, 01:49 PM
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For a refresher of what's already been penciled in:
U.S. Constitution

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post Sep 26 2006, 02:09 PM
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Well here's hoping it's the FMA.

Not that I'm getting my hopes up or anything


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post Sep 26 2006, 02:31 PM
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I'd like to see this one come to fruition:
The "Every Vote Counts" Amendment - providing for direct election of the President and Vice President, abolishing the Electoral College

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28th states that No one with the last name of Clinton or Bush shall run for President. he he hey at least I covered both parties.lol



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I can't agree with your proposal.

The Electoral College was established so as to give states with lesser populations some voice in the electoral process. We're getting to a point that many states are so reliably blue or red that candidates for national office really don't have to expend much effort in all but a handful of states to get elected. When's the last time a major national candidate spent much time in, say, Kentucky?

The fact is that both Democrats and Republicans can count on roughly 60% of the electoral college delegates they need to be elected before they even spend the first dollar of campaign cash. But that still means they have to spend at least some time in states like Ohio, Florida, New Jersey, Arizona, colorado and the like.

Abolish the Electoral College and Democrats have a HUGE advantage because California, Illinois and New York are all reliably Democrat. While Texas is pretty reliably Republican, Ohio and Florida are pretty sharply divided so, in the states with the largest populations, including populations that vote overwhelmingly one way or another , Democrats will have a great advantage. Lower population states would have absolutely no influence whatsoever in the election for the most important national offices.

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post Sep 27 2006, 07:14 PM
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I'd vote for the 28th Amendment repealing the federal income tax and the 29th amendment establishing the Fair Tax.

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QUOTE(Marino63 @ Sep 27 2006, 06:14 PM)
I'd vote for the 28th Amendment repealing the federal income tax and the 29th amendment establishing the Fair Tax.
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So you'd like a flat tax?

Sorry, can't agree - those who profit most from our country should pay the highest percentages. When I see a list of billionaires growing I know that the high rates aren't high enough yet. There's a limit to how much money any one person needs in relation to everyone else, regardless of their supposed business value... wink.gif

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hedoes not mean a flat tax a fiar tax. a tax thar for anything that is new. there is proof that it works.

It gives more money in everyones pocket.

we are bieng over taxed. Income tax was supose to end after WW1.
You can thank JCPennies for that one. plus personal property tax. how many times cane you tax the same item. like o yout car. you pay sales tax when you buy it, then every year that you own it you are beng taxed for that.



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Even a flat tax would be better than the monstrosity we have now.

Why should the rich pay an even greater share of the income taxes than they do now? You do know that the top 1% of wage earners pay nearly a THIRD of all income taxes and that the bottom 50% of wage earners pay less than 4%, don't you?

At some point, a high rate of income taxation results in the achievers not being as willing to put their money to work, gowing their businesses, hiring new workers and investing in the stock market. After all, why risk your money when you know the end result is that you'll have a majority of it taken in taxes? They'll put their money in non-taxable investments instead and the end result will be an actual decrease in the revenue to the Feds.

What the Fair Tax is is a sort of consumption or value added tax such as many European countries have. It totally abolishes ALL Federal taxes- not only income but Social Security and FICA taxes as well. If you earn $500 a week, your employer pays you $500 a week.

Revenue to the Federal Government comes from what you buy. The Government would tax purchases of NEW goods at roughly 23%. There would be NO tax on used goods (including used cars, pre-owned homes, etc.).
Not only would there be no taxes at all on used goods, but the government would cut you a check every month- called a "prebate"- that would credit you with the taxes you would pay on the so-called "necessities of life"- food, medicine, clothing- based on the poverty level for your size family. For a family of 4 making $20,000 a year, the prebate would be around $600 a month. So the tax burden would be virtually eliminated for those at the lower levels of the economic scale, but they'd be decreased on just about everyone except the really, really wealthy- but even they could affect what they pay by not buying a yacht this year or whatever.

But wouldn't prices on new goods go up, seeing as how we're adding a 23% tax to the price? Well, no...because the Fair Tax would also eliminate all the embedded taxes that companies put into the final price of their goods. The embedded taxes pay for such things as corporate income taxes and the like. Economists say that these embedded taxes add roughly 20-22% to the end price of goods...so the net would be an increase in price of 1%-3%.

In the income tax overhaul commission that President Bush created to make suggestionas as to how to overhaul the tax system, ONLY the fair Tax was proven to be "revenue-neutral", meaning that revenue to the government would not decrease if it were implemented and that it could fully fund all discretionary and non-discretionary spending.

For more details, pop over to the Fair Tax website at Fair Tax

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Just remember that the number of silly exceptions and loopholes in our unnecessarily complicated tax code allow all the rich folks you complain about to circumvent that law by hiring some bean-counter to find them some loopholes.

When countries implement flat taxes, revenues usually increase. And if you want to provide an exemption on the first X dollars (say 20,000 for a single person) you won't have a disproportionate burden on the lowest earners.

Besides, the graduated system we have now can really clobber folks. My neighbor got a raise at work that knocked him into a higher tax bracket and actually cost him money.

I'd be quite happy with a flat tax or a fair tax.

But a federal marriage amendment or an amendment establishing that life begins at conception are the two most important to me at the moment.


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