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[aceecards]

Again..

I stand BY my opinion..

NOTHING GOOD CAME FROM 9/11.. NOTHING!

And again.. I dont mean to come down hard on you.. and shooting buckshot.. well.. you sprayed a little around yourself..

But my point is we are comparing apples and oranges..

An adult who travelled frequently on business with two children, the only Sole income producer in the household, with a mortgage, a car, an investment portfolio.

vs

a 16 year old child who knew none of this in his life yet.. no matter how mature he is.

So now we have a 44 year old adult spouting off against the opinions of a now 21 year old .. who by chance still does not know what a life full of responsibilities are.. Its just a simple cold hard fact! Like it or leave it.. its still a hard cold fact.

Richard you could not possibly know the fears I faced in relation to 9/11.. ITS JUST NOT SIMPLY POSSIBLE! sorry, but its not!

[ffman]

Again..

I stand BY my opinion..

NOTHING GOOD CAME FROM 9/11.. NOTHING!

And again.. I dont mean to come down hard on you.. and shooting buckshot.. well.. you sprayed a little around yourself..

But my point is we are comparing apples and oranges..

An adult who travelled frequently on business with two children, the only Sole income producer in the household, with a mortgage, a car, an investment portfolio.

vs

a 16 year old child who knew none of this in his life yet.. no matter how mature he is.

So now we have a 44 year old adult spouting off against the opinions of a now 21 year old .. who by chance still does not know what a life full of responsibilities are.. Its just a simple cold hard fact! Like it or leave it.. its still a hard cold fact.

Richard you could not possibly know the fears I faced in relation to 9/11.. ITS JUST NOT SIMPLY POSSIBLE! sorry, but its not!

But, don't you understand Richard's point? His father was in the government, and he had to leave his home due to 9/11. He was escorted out of class by military personell - how would that make YOU feel? I think there is ALOT of fear in that.

[aceecards]

If this was your parents rebutting me, the debate would not have carried on as long as this one..

As far as applying what I said to parentless children of 9/11.. Why and how did you ever correllate that to this debate we are having. I am addressing YOU and YOUR opinions expressed in this debate.. in no way shape or form did I mention or would I disrespect any victim of 9/11.,

Unlike you and your "videotape" evidence of the "missile" hitting the pentagon..

[skatalite]

So now we have a 44 year old adult spouting off against the opinions of a now 21 year old .. who by chance still does not know what a life full of responsibilities are.. Its just a simple cold hard fact! Like it or leave it.. its still a hard cold fact.

You're right: I don't have a family, I don't have a mouth to feed but my own. But what about some businessmen who don't have those things, either? Sure, they may have to pay rent (which I do) or a mortgage (see rent reference), and may have other financial payments (and are still contributing members to society), but since they don't have those other responsibilities, they couldn't possibly know the impact of 9/11, according to your argument.

Hmmm... Even if some of those same businessmen were covered in ashes of their workplace and coworkers.

Richard you could not possibly know the fears I faced in relation to 9/11.. ITS JUST NOT SIMPLY POSSIBLE! sorry, but its not!

And you're acting like you know mine. I never once said I knew yours or understood yours, but yet you act that way to me.

And Steve, this isn't a cheap shot at you, but I figure a 44-year-old man would have more maturity than what you've been exhibiting. (Since we're now playing the age game.)

[skatalite]

As far as applying what I said to parentless children of 9/11.. Why and how did you ever correllate that to this debate we are having. I am addressing YOU and YOUR opinions expressed in this debate.. in no way shape or form  did I mention or would I disrespect any victim of 9/11.,

Steve, here's what you said in a nutshell: I was too young to understand the impact of the events of 9/11 (because I'm not in the real world), thus I was not impacted.

So, based on that thought process: the babies of any, and all, 9/11 victims weren't impacted because they were younger than 16 and unaware of the "real world."

Unlike you and your "videotape" evidence of the "missile" hitting the pentagon..

Steve, what does this have to do with anything we're talking about? Did I ever say it was a missile? No... It was merely a thread I created to spark conversation/discussion, but instead it's turned into bullets for you to shoot me with. Sorry Steve, but you're packing nothing but blanks with this one.

[aceecards]

WHATEVER!!

[Sheesh]

I think the biggest positive, that has now faded, was that lots of people from different lifestyles, races, religions came together to try to help cities in need.  <snip> but 9/11 UNITED everyone across the nation, people everywhere seemed to pitch in to do what they could.  It would be nice if we all could live everyday like the days following 9/11, looking out for and helping one another.

Agree. This could have been the best thing, something our country desperately needed and continues to need. Unfortunately, the Republicans (both the legislative and executive) have and continue to exclude those outside their party with the process of governing this country. The president's go-it-alone policy regarding the aftermath, conscienously excluding congress, was one of his greatest mistakes. To me, this exclusion is what has lead to our continued polarized electorate and inability to unify as a country against the "enemy".

A divider, not a unifier, has been this president and republican congress.

[mrkjnl]

I will add a few comments. I have seen nothing good come from 9/11. I have read that some people think we have come together as a country. Maybe for the first weeek or 2. But that is over. I am from Roy, Utah. Just recently a US Marine (from Roy, Utah), just 20 yrs old, died in Iraq. At his funeral services last week, there was a bunch of protestors near his gravesite. They flew in from somewhere, just to protest war-----at a funeral. 'Freedom of Speech' can really suck sometimes. All you hear anymore is how the Pres. is doing this wrong, why can't he do this better, etc. War is a necessary evil sometimes. But being necessary, it is never good. I know the world we live in will never be the same. And I hate it. Anything good come from 9/11. No.

[aceecards]

And again..

I expressed my beliefs and opinions only as I have stated more than once in this thread only.

It started with a simple statement of Nothing good came of 9/11 from me

to Richard putting the words in my mouth that I was disrespectful to 9/11 victims becuase I said he was a irresponbsible teanager at the time of 9/11 not a responsible laden adult..

Now in no way shape or form was any disrespect intended or should be derived from any of my statements towards Richard or Victims of 9/11

And Richard you were wrong and disrespectful for ever contriving that corellation.!! This quote below from and made by Richard is an example of an assumption that Richard has made and he just made a assume..!

Steve, here's what you said in a nutshell: I was too young to understand the impact of the events of 9/11 (because I'm not in the real world), thus I was not impacted.
So, based on that thought process: the babies of any, and all, 9/11 victims weren't impacted because they were younger than 16 and unaware of the "real world."

[skatalite]

WHATEVER!!

Nice.

And again..

I expressed my beliefs and opinions only as I have stated more than once in this thread only.

It started with a simple statement of Nothing good came of 9/11 from me

to Richard putting the words in my mouth that I was disrespectful to 9/11 victims becuase I said he was a irresponbsible teanager at the time of 9/11 not a responsible laden adult..

Now in no way shape or form was any disrespect intended or should be derived from any of my statements towards Richard or Victims of 9/11

And Richard you were wrong and disrespectful for ever contriving that corellation.!! This quote below from and made by Richard is an example of an assumption that Richard has made and he just made a assume..!

Steve, here's what you said in a nutshell: I was too young to understand the impact of the events of 9/11 (because I'm not in the real world), thus I was not impacted.
So, based on that thought process: the babies of any, and all, 9/11 victims weren't impacted because they were younger than 16 and unaware of the "real world."

Seems like someone is trying to shift the focus of this discussion. Anyone who reads through this thread will realize that the example wasn't meant to be disrespectful in any way, shape or form. I wasn't even talking directly about the victims, but rather their children. How is that disrespectful? I used your own thought process against you, and all of a sudden it's disrespectful?

Steve: nice try, but no cigar.

to Richard putting the words in my mouth that I was disrespectful to 9/11 victims becuase I said he was a irresponbsible teanager at the time of 9/11 not a responsible laden adult..

I didn't twist your words around, and anyone who reads this thread (again) will realize that. You made an example based off a formulaic thought process, and I made up another that's just like your example.

You're not going to turn me into a bad guy here. It's just not working, Steve.

[aceecards]

Again..

to anyone who does read this thread and agrees with Richard's corellation i apologize to you in advance..

I am most respectful of the victims of 9/11 . even lighting votive candlesevery year to their memories including this morning and attending and donating to a morning mass for them and their families..

Richard can draw all the correllaries he wants between my comments comparing me to him and how 9/11 affected us..but he was wrong when he took the liberty to profess me as being disrespectful of the victims of 9/11 or their families. For that he will be UNFORGIVEN!

[skatalite]

Richard can draw all the correllaries he wants between my comments comparing me to him and how 9/11 affected us..but he was wrong when he took the liberty to profess me as being disrespectful of the victims of 9/11 or their families. For that he will be UNFORGIVEN!

You're so dramatic!

Did I not say I wasn't putting words in your mouth?

Oh, wait... What's this?

I didn't twist your words around, and anyone who reads this thread (again) will realize that. You made an example based off a formulaic thought process, and I made up another that's just like your example.

Oh, OK. Just making sure! Whew.

But honestly, Steve. You can sit here and try to save face as much as you want, but you have nothing to save face for. You didn't disrespect any 9/11 victims, nor did I imply you did.

[ffman]

Again..

to anyone who does read this thread and agrees with Richard's corellation i apologize to you in advance..

I am most respectful of the victims of 9/11 . even lighting votive candlesevery year to their memories including this morning and attending and donating to a morning mass for them and their families..

Richard can draw all the correllaries he wants between my comments comparing me to him and how 9/11 affected us..but he was wrong when he took the liberty to profess me as being disrespectful of the victims of 9/11 or their families. For that he will be UNFORGIVEN!

But, you still didn't recognize the point Richard tried to make. He, although an 'irresponsible teenager' was affected by this just as much as you were, only in a different way. True, he had no kids to support, and didn't have to travel by plane, but he was affected through his father's profession. He had to move because of 9/11....he was escorted out of class by military personnel because of this.....I think that's what skatalite is hurt over.

[aceecards]

But, you still didn't recognize the point Richard tried to make.  He, although an 'irresponsible teenager' was affected by this just as much as you were, only in a different way.  True, he had no kids to support, and didn't have to travel by plane, but he was affected through his father's profession.  He had to move because of 9/11....he was escorted out of class by military personnel because of this.....I think that's what skatalite is hurt over.

again.. ffman.. not to be disrespectul.. but you to could not possibly feel the same way I did and still do.. again no disrespect to your age.. but thats just how it is.!

[ffman]

again.. ffman.. not to be disrespectul.. but you to could not possibly feel the same way I did and still do.. again no disrespect to your age.. but thats just how it is.!

I wasn't talking about ME; I was talking about skatalite's position. I had no personal fear (other than our country being attacked) - I agree that you had reason for fear more than I did. But, skatalite did too - his family was involved, just in a different way than yours was. That's what he was trying to get across to you.

[kooljazz1966]

Coltsfan as a forty year old man I apologize to you for having to endure this post.

Sheesh/Marino...you're fired!!..always wanted to say that like D. Trump. I assumed you 2 would be decent gatekeepers of this forum!

I can't take a day off from the politics forum without some sort of Choas starting.

Ace/Skate I will deal with both of you off line....but first a timeout is due..you know the drill..Skate get in corner and don't forget the teepee shaped cap. Ace the same for you except in another room.

Coltsfan hope you get a good grade on your paper..The important thing is to speak from your heart. You inherently have learned from the event age immaterial. What I think or anyone else thinks is can be kool but ultimately you must weave your own tale from your lessoned learned.

I am a soldier, and yes I fought back tears today listening again to the woman pleading for help with the dispatcher who was doing the she could to re assure her that help was on the way. The victim pleaded for help...said it was hot, starting screaming and the phone link was lost...I am left to my own devices to figure out her personal ordeal.

9/11 to me is not about kooljazz1966 or anyone one individual....it is about us all as a nation....5 years later are we better off for it? Don't really know yet, But I believe we are getting there...headed in the right direction.

Regardless of anyone's partisan affiliation....You must remember and understand one simple truth. This nation never asked for 9/11. It was brought to us by any enemy that wants to kill us, (You, ME, my family, your family and anyone that does not do as they do, think as think, tow their line). Doesn't get any simplier than that!!

The harsh reality is that we are eventually headed to a kill or be killed mentality. Don't know you all... I sorta like living and breathing..I'm not gonna get on appeasement soapbox.

I hope I did not disrespect or offend anyone with this post. But, I constantly remind all my family members life ain't fair. Will you be ready when trouble comes a knocking at your door? Can never be sure...But you can always train and prepare for trouble and bad scenarios. Doesn't mean your textbook response will win you an Oscar, award, or recognition...But, when prepared..your life and others may be spared..I have been trained to make myself a "hard target"; to make the bad guys pass on me and hit the soft targets. Bottomline, survival of the fitess.

[ffman]

Coltsfan as a forty year old man I apologize to you for having to endure this post.

Sheesh/Marino...you're fired!!..always wanted to say that like D. Trump. I assumed you 2 would be decent gatekeepers of this forum!

I can't take a day off from the politics forum without some sort of Choas starting.

Ace/Skate I will deal with both of you off line....but first a timeout is due..you know the drill..Skate get in corner and don't forget the teepee shaped cap.  Ace the same for you except in another room.

Coltsfan hope you get a good grade on your paper..The important thing is to speak from your heart. You inherently have learned from the event age immaterial. What I think or anyone else thinks is can be kool but ultimately you must weave your own tale from your lessoned learned.

I am a soldier, and yes I fought back tears today listening again to the woman pleading for help with the dispatcher who was doing the she could to re assure her that help was on the way.  The victim pleaded for help...said it was hot, starting screaming and the phone link was lost...I am left to my own devices to figure out her personal ordeal.

9/11 to me is not about kooljazz1966 or anyone one individual....it is about us all as a nation....5 years later are we better off for it? Don't really know yet, But I believe we are getting there...headed in the right direction.

Regardless of anyone's partisan affiliation....You must remember and understand one simple truth. This nation never asked for 9/11.  It was brought to us by any enemy that wants to kill us, (You, ME, my family, your family and anyone that does not do as they do, think as think, tow their line).  Doesn't get any simplier than that!! 

The harsh reality is that we are eventually headed to a kill or be killed mentality. Don't know you all... I sorta like living and breathing..I'm not gonna get on appeasement soapbox.

I hope I did not disrespect or offend anyone with this post.  But, I constantly remind all my family members life ain't fair.  Will you be ready when trouble comes a knocking at your door?  Can never be sure...But you can always train and prepare for trouble and bad scenarios.  Doesn't mean your textbook response will win you an Oscar, award, or recognition...But, when prepared..your life and others may be spared..I have been trained to make myself a "hard target"; to make the bad guys pass on me and hit the soft targets.  Bottomline, survival of the fitess.

I don't think your post was offensive at all....

[coltsfan23]

I think the biggest positive, that has now faded, was that lots of people from different lifestyles, races, religions came together to try to help cities in need.  Many lives were lost, but hope was not lost that one life or more could be spared from the wreckage.  Many people, companies, churches, organizations came together donating needed items to help with the crisis.  Even with Katrina, I did not see the same kind of total country helping emotions that were brought about by the attacks of 9/11.  Yes people helped with Katrina, but 9/11 UNITED everyone across the nation, people everywhere seemed to pitch in to do what they could.  It would be nice if we all could live everyday like the days following 9/11, looking out for and helping one another.

Thats what i empahized was that the nation came together as a whole and that families started sopening time with each other and people started to appreciate life more.

My teacher assigned be to write what GOOD came out of 9/11. I agree that pretty much nothing good came out of it, but i had to write something...

[coltsfan23]

Coltsfan as a forty year old man I apologize to you for having to endure this post.

Sheesh/Marino...you're fired!!..always wanted to say that like D. Trump. I assumed you 2 would be decent gatekeepers of this forum!

I can't take a day off from the politics forum without some sort of Choas starting.

Ace/Skate I will deal with both of you off line....but first a timeout is due..you know the drill..Skate get in corner and don't forget the teepee shaped cap.  Ace the same for you except in another room.

Coltsfan hope you get a good grade on your paper..The important thing is to speak from your heart. You inherently have learned from the event age immaterial. What I think or anyone else thinks is can be kool but ultimately you must weave your own tale from your lessoned learned.

I am a soldier, and yes I fought back tears today listening again to the woman pleading for help with the dispatcher who was doing the she could to re assure her that help was on the way.  The victim pleaded for help...said it was hot, starting screaming and the phone link was lost...I am left to my own devices to figure out her personal ordeal.

9/11 to me is not about kooljazz1966 or anyone one individual....it is about us all as a nation....5 years later are we better off for it? Don't really know yet, But I believe we are getting there...headed in the right direction.

Regardless of anyone's partisan affiliation....You must remember and understand one simple truth. This nation never asked for 9/11.  It was brought to us by any enemy that wants to kill us, (You, ME, my family, your family and anyone that does not do as they do, think as think, tow their line).  Doesn't get any simplier than that!! 

The harsh reality is that we are eventually headed to a kill or be killed mentality. Don't know you all... I sorta like living and breathing..I'm not gonna get on appeasement soapbox.

I hope I did not disrespect or offend anyone with this post.  But, I constantly remind all my family members life ain't fair.  Will you be ready when trouble comes a knocking at your door?  Can never be sure...But you can always train and prepare for trouble and bad scenarios.  Doesn't mean your textbook response will win you an Oscar, award, or recognition...But, when prepared..your life and others may be spared..I have been trained to make myself a "hard target"; to make the bad guys pass on me and hit the soft targets.  Bottomline, survival of the fitess.

Thanks! I handed it in this morning.

[kooljazz1966]

My teacher assigned be to write what GOOD came out of 9/11. I agree that pretty much nothing good came out of it, but i had to write something...

Are you not more aware of the people in the world that want you dead for just being a westener or an American by birth or naturilization? If everyones' awareness has increased then I would that in itself is pretty doggone good! Now, assuming that you have an increased awareness..."LIVE LONG, LIVE STRONG!" --Lance Armstrong