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Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 1 2008, 08:16 PM

Posted by: kobelover_24 Mar 1 2008, 08:19 PM

need trant edawards spa..lmk pm me

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 1 2008, 08:43 PM

only things I liked where the Sayers auto/jsy and your incoming manning auto

Posted by: kobelover_24 Mar 1 2008, 08:44 PM

thanks anyways

Posted by: artyman60 Mar 1 2008, 08:49 PM

I could use the kenny irons auto

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 1 2008, 09:01 PM

didn't see anything

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 1 2008, 10:53 PM

anyone else like what I got?

Posted by: geauxcrotigers Mar 1 2008, 10:55 PM

i really need this

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 1 2008, 10:58 PM

just looked through your bucket and saw nothing I'd be interested in...everything I liked said "gone" above it

Posted by: geauxcrotigers Mar 1 2008, 11:01 PM

would you want to sale?

Posted by: Zaysdad06 Mar 1 2008, 11:02 PM

you know i like the landry

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 1 2008, 11:03 PM

lol, I knew I'd hear from you sooner or later

Posted by: LeeEvansFan Mar 1 2008, 11:07 PM

I like the Trent Edwards.

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 1 2008, 11:08 PM

Ahhh the Deadskins still suck and Romo will always be better then Campbell, but that's a nice Stantons.

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 1 2008, 11:09 PM

I just searched your bucket, you have nothing I like man, sorry

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 1 2008, 11:11 PM

dude, don't get me started on the Campbell/Romo talks, I can prove to you all night long that Campbell is the better QB, and you Crapboys just overpaid for an average QB who will fizzle out in the next few seasons..GUARANTEED!

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 1 2008, 11:20 PM

Well, let's look at the numbers on that.


QB Rating-

Romo- 97.4 5th in the league

Campbell- 77.6 20th in the league

Touchdowns

Romo- 36 2nd in the league

Campbell- 12 19th in the league

Yards-

Romo- 4211 3rd in the league

Campbell- 2700 16th in the league

Yards Per Attempt

Romo- 8.10 2nd in the league

Campbell- 6.48 24th in the league

I know Campbell went down, but he only had 103 less attempts then Romo, and Romo's number blow his away. Romo ranked in the top 5 of every major catagory for a Quaterback. If Vick got a 100 million dollar contract, then 40 million less for Romo is underpaid.

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 1 2008, 11:31 PM

Numbers on paper mean nothing, watch and see my friend, you'll see Campbell emerge as a top QB in this league over the next few seasons as Romo declines into a backup QB. Mark my words

Posted by: Zaysdad06 Mar 1 2008, 11:33 PM

This is coming from a guy who's team hasn't won a playoff game in ten years.

Posted by: Zaysdad06 Mar 1 2008, 11:35 PM

Did yall see that interview with Owens when he was cryin' about his "quarterback", that relationship seems a little closer than that.

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 1 2008, 11:47 PM

No, the numbers don't lie. Romo is an upper echelon QB in just a season and a half, 2 Pro Bowls already. Now onto the Deadskins, how many divisions have they won in the last 15 years? 0! Campbell isn't even the best QB on his team, and that's not saying much when the next guy is Todd Collins. When Campbell actualy goes to a pro bowl, makes the playoffs, or even finishes a season then you can compare him to Romo, but until ROMO > Campbell.

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 1 2008, 11:48 PM

Off this for a minute, can someone explain how the weather can be 72 degrees tomorrow in Oklahoma then be 35 with a chance of snow on Monday.

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 2 2008, 12:00 AM

thats how the atmosphere works, if you really want to know the details become a student of the weather and devote your life to something better than following an OVER-HYPED, OVER-RATED, OVER-PAID mediocre QB who WILL and I said WILL become nothing but a #2 QB in the next few seasons. Yes, he has 2 pro-bowls, only God knows why, and ok his TEAM gets him to the playoffs and what does he do???? I believe he chokes...and chokes HARD!

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 2 2008, 12:03 AM

OH, and if you think Collins is a better QB than Campbell, you my friend have a tanted view of what a QB is and it's no wonder you think Romo is something great....one day I pray you're eyes will be opened...and you'll know a truly GREAT QB from an average QB.

Posted by: osusmith Mar 2 2008, 12:04 AM

wow, but i think justin got u gforce with the statistics

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 2 2008, 12:10 AM

stats are stats, first of all Romo has a few more games under his belt...putting stats aside and comparing their playing style, pocket presence, potential, leadership on AND off the field, the way they handle adversity, Campbell is clearly the better QB. REALIZE J Camp has had to learn a NEW offense and work with a NEW coach 7 of 9 seasons since college! It's not his fault that management/ownership doesn't understand what this does to a team. But for J Camp to handle it the way he does and succeed the way he does only goes to show that if he gets placed in the same systems for any # of years, he can only become a GREAT QB, possibly an All-Time great. Most QBs going through that many changes by now would have flopped and left the league, Campbell is a #1 guy, a starter! And remember his senior year at Auburn, the guy was named Offensive Player of the YEAR in the SEC....the SEC folks thats no JOKE conference like Romo played in.

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 2 2008, 12:20 AM

If Romo is an overrated, overhyped QB, then what does that make Campbell? He has been a starting QB for almost a year and a half, and hasn't done half of what Romo has. Romo has backed his stats up with a Division Championship, and 2 Pro Bowls. Campbell has done what? No division championships.

If stats don't mean anything then what does? Wins?

Tony Romo

19 and 7 as a Starter

Jason Campbell

7 and 12 as a starter

Now those numbers don't lie. Any way you add it up, Romo is better then Campbell. The only way Campbell is better is by your oppinion that Romo will suddenly turn from being a Superstar Quaterback to nothing, and that Cambpell will suddenly turn from being an ok option, let's just say Quincy Carteresh at QB to a Superstar.

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 2 2008, 12:23 AM

Who was his runningbacks in the SEC that year, by your own assumption Romo is only good due to the fact he has so much talent around him, then the same goes for Cambpell with two top 5 picks at running back at Auburn with him that year, then he clearly was only good due to talent around him.

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 2 2008, 12:28 AM

Don't inslut J Camp with remarks like comparing him to QC??? That dude was a lowsly QB, no work ethic at all, yet thought he was hot ****! Campbell has been said so many times by so many teammates and coaches to be one of if not the hardest working guy on the team. The first one to show up and the last one to leave, that guy works his butt off, he has one of the greatest work ethics in a QB that I've seen! AND hes HUMBLE on top of that, I believe that really gives a player the edge when they are humble, because that means they are never content with people saying what a great player they are, blah blah blah, they are ALWAYS working and striving to be better and to become greater...and those players are the ones focused on the TEAM not themselves.

I'll give you the fact that Romo has better #'s as of today...but the guy is a joke. He'll never live up to these over-hyped expectations that he has on his shoulders now. He will eventually cave in to the pressure and he will continue to choke when it matters most. They guy can't handle that kind of pressure or adversity. Romo also has the better roster around him at the time being, better OL and healthy RB's, and a little stronger at WR than the Skins...take that away and Romo is nothing.

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 2 2008, 12:29 AM

I'll make it fair for you, since you say Romo only has better numbers because he has played more games. I will take the 7 extra games off, and even better I will take 4 wins away and 3 loses too benefit you.

Romo with the same amount of games as JC

15 and 4

JC

5 and 12

Wow! looks even better for Romo now. I just want to say it, but OWNED

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 2 2008, 12:32 AM

Well, unforunetly that, "work ethic" doesn't translate into wins for you. You can talk about all the off the field stuff you want, but when it comes down to who is better it's on the field. Romo's numbers clearly prove he is the supierior quaterback in this debate.

The most importiant thing that differs between these two is this

Romo- NFC East Division Titles- 1

Cambpell- NFC East Division Titles- 0

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 2 2008, 12:33 AM

you're not hearing me right, I never said romo only has better #'s because he has more games...I can twist those stats in Campbells favor just like you've twisted them into Romos for this last post.
I agree Romo has better stats, I've been saying that this whole time. My arguement is basied on them as in individual player.

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 2 2008, 12:33 AM

Take Moss, Porter, and Cooley away, and Cambpell is nothing. It's not Romo's fault that Jerrah is a better owner then Dan "I'll buy any over hyped free agent I can" Snyder.

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 2 2008, 12:35 AM

you mean Portis right? Never heard of a Porter on the Skins. Anyways, Dan has not made any free agent moves this season, they have yet to sign/pick up a free agent from another team so far.

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 2 2008, 12:36 AM

this is such the classic battle of cowboys vs indians translated into the 21st century, haha

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 2 2008, 12:37 AM

What makes an individual player then? It's his wins and stats right? It's not his work ethic off the field. It's not how late he stays or when he shows up. It's his production on the field. That's what makes a player Romo is far superior. I am not twisting any stats. I took the starts for Campbell and the starts for Romo. I took the stats for Romo and the stats for Campbell put them into comparison, and Romo was better, nothing was twisted, altered, or changed.

You say Campbell is better because his work ethic, I say Romo is better because he has proven it on the field, Cambpell has yet too. I state facts, with stats, and wins to back it up. You state oppinions on how Campbell will be better. Romo has already proven himself. Cambpell is still has yet too.

I could say the same thing. Romo is going to be the greatest Quaterback ever, mark my words. Campbell will be back up in 2 years, garunteed. See how easy that is, but no, I didn't just go off my own oppinion. I used facts to back it up.

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 2 2008, 12:38 AM

And I agree with you on that. I hope that we are making 60ties and 70ties fans proud by it too.

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 2 2008, 12:41 AM

Yes Portis sorry, and what about the past few years? Brandon Llyod for a first and a third? Shawn Springs, well, he was a decent pick up. Clinton Portis for the best corner in the league? Portis has yet to live up to his billing. Andre Carter? How terrible has he been. Come on now, you know Snyder has lacked the ability to grasp the concept of the draft, and free agency. I mean for god's sake didn't he learn how not too draft from the early days of Jerrah and Mike Ditka, I'll trade my entire draft for Ricky Williams.

Posted by: cometmike Mar 2 2008, 12:42 AM

I want the Trent Edwards AP Authentic

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 2 2008, 12:42 AM

I hope everyone who has read this has enjoyed it, because everything aside, Gforce is pretty cool, and you guys should really trade him some awesome Cambpells for the new cards he has.

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 2 2008, 12:44 AM

I'm using facts, its just that my facts aren't stats and yet only seem to justify fact for stat. If that was the case and the game was played on paper...then why did the Giants beat the Pats in the super bowl...they where the underdogs, stats said they had no chance at winning that game. Thats the beauty of it, the games doesn't come down to stats. YES, to this date Romo is "the better QB" stat wise...but that I'm telling you not as a Skins fan, but as a fan of the game, Romo's playing style, personality, and game managment are just not going to hold up. I can see it, watch the film, yes he pulls off some crazy stuff at times....but he has no pocket presence, he's all over the place, and no he'll never amount to anything Favre has made for himself so don't mention that comparison. Romo gets too distracted by off the field things, gets too caught up in the media, and his too caught up in himself and it's only going to get worse man, and it will be his down fall. These past 2 seasons have been a fluke for him. Theres a reason he played college ball where he did.

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 2 2008, 12:47 AM

portis has lived up to his billing? Dude the guy have rushed for over 1,000 yds every season, 1,500 his first yr with the Skins...he's been injury plagued these past couple years yet still winds up as one of the top backs in the league. He's no Champ Baily, but before the loss of S. Taylor(RIP) the Skins has one of the best secondaries in the league

Posted by: Zaysdad06 Mar 2 2008, 12:51 AM

I will tell you one thing Romo doesn't have and will never have and that is a ring. That is what it all boils down to CHAMPIONSHIPS. " Well Campbell doesn't have any rings". Well he will and let me tell you why trhe Redskins are the best team in the NFL, with the best fans and a very prestigious history. Dallas has won their share of Bowls, but I wouldn't be a true Skinzs fan if I said Dallas was a classy team, and I wouldn't be right either...

Posted by: Go18 Mar 2 2008, 12:52 AM

I like the Edwards, lmk thanks

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 2 2008, 12:53 AM

WELL STATED!

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 2 2008, 12:55 AM

If Bill Parcells saw a great Quaterback in his guy, then that is enough for me. He has proven on the field that he can play. Once again we aren't comparing Super Bowl Champions, we are comparing, two 3rd year starting quaterbacks. My argument is that Romo is better, because of his stats, the facts of it. Your's is that he can't play Quaterback, because he lacks pocket presence. Are you kidding me, he pulls things out of nowhere. That's all the pocket presence I need. He is comparable to Brett Farve. There's a reason why not just Cowboy fans compare him to Farve, but many respected analyst, and Farve himself has compared him to Farve. Say what you want, but you clearly have stated oppinion, that you think Romo will fall apart. Yet he hasn't yet. He rebouned, from something, that would of killed, most players in the game against Seattle. What exactly has Campbell done on the field, to prove he is better then Romo?

One more stat

Head to head wins

Romo 1 and 0 against Campbell

Campbell 0 and 1 againt Romo.

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 2 2008, 12:55 AM

PMS HAVE BEEN SENT TO THOSE INTERESTED IN MY CARDS

Posted by: Zaysdad06 Mar 2 2008, 12:55 AM

ty now trade me that landry lol

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 2 2008, 12:58 AM

Once again on the NO RINGS Statement. Clearly oppinion.


Now to prove Cambpell is not the best QB on his team. With him as the starter.

Redskins 5-7

Without Campbell as Starting QB

Redskins 4-0

Face it, the guy is a joke.

I can tell you won championship Romo does has a Divsion Championship, how many does Campbell have? 0

State facts not oppinions, Romo has proven it on the field, Campbell has yet too. At this point....

Romo=Proven
Campbell= Hype

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 2 2008, 01:00 AM

haha, nice touch there on the head to head wins....but I thinks it 1-1 for both of them throwing in the skins win last season if I remember correctly. Ok stats, but did you get the part that Campbell has had to learn a new offense and work with new coaches 7of9 seasons of his college-nfl career??? And to play the way he has, and excell through those times, you have to be bright to deal with that. Tell me someone else who could have handled that? Yet, he has ANOTHER offense to learn this offseason, just to see how well he plays and the potential he shows this past couple of seasons...imagine him in the same system with the same coaches for a # of years...he wouldn't be able to help but to be great!

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 2 2008, 01:00 AM

Work on your trades for a minute GForce gotta take a break for a little bit. Nice agrueing with you so far though, atleast you have a little bit to back up your statement, not like the morons on ESPN who just say Campbell is better, because he is a Redskin, and Romo is Cowgirl.

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 2 2008, 01:01 AM

Nope, Collins was the starting QB for that game.

Not my fault the Redskins can't keep the same offense. Romo has had to learn a new offense now. It's not like he just had the same offense he had with Parcells. He was given a new one with Garrett. So let's try a different one there.

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 2 2008, 01:05 AM

This topic should so be pinned somewhere. Cause I mean come on, there's the Cowboys and The Redskins, and then no one else.

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 2 2008, 01:08 AM

NM Brunell was still in when the played the boys in 06

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 2 2008, 01:09 AM

justin: ur cool even though you like the boys...we'll def have to talk once the season starts...

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 2 2008, 01:10 AM

Well, Gforce it's been awesome, but we are just repeating ourselves now. Is it football season yet. This should be a great year in the NFC East alone. Did you hear what McNott said? About how the division goes through Philly? Didn't know the division went through the last place team.

Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 2 2008, 01:11 AM

GOOD NIGHT TO ALL! hope we entertained you for the evening, please send $50 to my paypal account to cover all ticket prices/fees incurred from my performance in this thread...you can just send Justin $10, he did 'ok' haha j/k

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 2 2008, 01:11 AM

[And Gforce you are cool yourself even though you like the Skins, it's diffently the funnest fans to argue with.

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 2 2008, 01:12 AM

Hahahah! Funny Gforce, nice agrueing with ya take it easy.

Posted by: Zaysdad06 Mar 2 2008, 01:13 AM

Cowboys fans won't have too much to say once the season starts...lol

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 2 2008, 01:16 AM

You're right, I mean the winning will speak for itself.

Posted by: justinclemons88 Mar 2 2008, 01:17 AM

When do you hit "Veteran" level? Anyone know?