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Posted by: kooljazz1966 Jan 20 2009, 08:49 PM

Mr. President, as I reflect on the state of the economy and world affairs I pause a brief moment in this surreal and historic moment in time.
A man's word or integrity is all that really matters today. You have overcome much vitriolic adversity. Your views are in contrast to many who make up the old guard far right of yesterday. I applaud your efforts to bring people and factions together under a common goal, the betterment of this nation with emphasis of having no one individual left behind. Your "rehetoric" sounds too heavenly for some people to comprehend but I believe those that have true good in their heart and a tentative ear to listen to truths that are self evident must admit that anything is achieveable through hardwork and faith given a fair playing field and opportunity.

Sir, I am not a doom and gloom kinda a guy. The glass is half full for me, not half empty. I see grand opportunities for this nation and individually to step up and do our part to make a difference. I believe one pebble in the pond can make a ripple but a nation focused as one and not divided on ideology can create a Tsunami not witnessed by the world ever before! This is your moment, your time. Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer Sir wink.gif . As with all Presidents in the past, you understand and profess the road ahead will not be easy. From my miniscule experiences I must agree that no noble undertaking or task is easy. So again, I will pray for you like I have always prayed for previous Presidents and World leaders to be given the wisdom to guide their people to prosperity, tolerance, and tranquility.

I will pray that we all find commonality amongst ourselves as opposed to finding things to keep divides amongst us. We reflect on history and the past in order to find lessons learned be them good, bad, or indifferent. Mr. President, if I could be a bit forward and take the liberty to reinforce a bit of advice you are likely far too aware of; always trust the best assets you have. Those assets are your five senses ( Feeling, Seeing, Smelling, Tasting and Hearing), always trust them because they will never lie to you nor let you down.

Peace and God Bless!

-Kjazzzzzzzzz

Posted by: JDFoxTrot79 Jan 20 2009, 08:51 PM

nice composition Ken. Class act, you are.

Posted by: txrangers05 Jan 20 2009, 08:54 PM

i'm already for ken 016! that would be saweeeeeeeet, nice job man.

Posted by: RGBII Jan 20 2009, 08:59 PM

Well written and well put

Let us one and all answer the call.

Make this Nation better, today!

Do this by any means necessary, if you are
a teacher/ teach harder, if you are a carpenter
learn better and faster methods.

Be the best human being that you can be, we
will all prosper.

It's reallly not that much to ask.

Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: 2000 rushing yards Jan 20 2009, 09:02 PM

Amazing post Ken while we all may have our political differences but in the end we're all here for the same purpose, to make this world better

Posted by: vicsten Jan 20 2009, 10:28 PM

Well written Ken. Your pride and hope for us all shines through. Yes, you are sir, a class act. -Vickie

Posted by: jkseb1972 Jan 20 2009, 10:34 PM

like every president before him, i salute him and congradulate him, however, the verdict is still out. Lets all hope he accomplishes great things. every president ever elected has promised to do what is best for this country, every one swore and made numerous promises and every one has faltered with some and excelled with others. lets hope it's the later with president Obama. but again, the verdict is still out!

Posted by: kooljazz1966 Jan 20 2009, 11:02 PM

QUOTE(jkseb1972 @ Jan 20 2009, 09:34 PM)
.....but.... !
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The infamous but...only a matter of time before it rose its head I guess.

Posted by: jkseb1972 Jan 20 2009, 11:05 PM

QUOTE(kooljazz1966 @ Jan 21 2009, 12:02 AM)
The infamous but...only a matter of time before it rose its head I guess.
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there was nothing ugly or derogitory about my statement. i hope he does a great job.

Posted by: kooljazz1966 Jan 20 2009, 11:16 PM

QUOTE(jkseb1972 @ Jan 20 2009, 09:34 PM)
but again, the verdict is still out!
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QUOTE(jkseb1972 @ Jan 20 2009, 10:05 PM)
there was nothing ugly or derogitory about my statement. i hope he does a great job.
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True you didn't curse or "Cuss"....Then again...but the refs didn't call pass interference on the McNabb last ditch desperate pass to Kevin Curtis vs the Cards. Curtis should have still caught that ball by the way...Limas Sweed should have caught his also for the Steelers although it didn't cost the Steelers....I gotta keep the hobby hoopla theme going too tongue.gif .


-kooljazz1966
smile.gif

Posted by: jkseb1972 Jan 20 2009, 11:18 PM

QUOTE(kooljazz1966 @ Jan 21 2009, 12:16 AM)
True you didn't curse or "Cuss"....Then again...but the refs didn't call pass interference on the McNabb last ditch desperate pass to Kevin Curtis vs the Cards. Curtis should have still caught that ball by the way...Limas Sweed should have caught his also for the Steelers although it didn't cost the Steelers....I gotta keep the hobby hoopla theme going too  tongue.gif .
-kooljazz1966
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in this case though, the game hasn't even started yet. why so argumentative?

Posted by: kooljazz1966 Jan 20 2009, 11:20 PM

QUOTE(jkseb1972 @ Jan 20 2009, 10:18 PM)
in this case though, the game hasn't even started yet. why so argumentative?
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If I ever argue there will be no doubt Sir. smile.gif

Peace, Love, and Happiness

-Ken

Posted by: JDFoxTrot79 Jan 20 2009, 11:22 PM

QUOTE(jkseb1972 @ Jan 20 2009, 08:18 PM)
in this case though, the game hasn't even started yet. why so argumentative?
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Dude chill, you are taking this way too harshly

Posted by: jkseb1972 Jan 20 2009, 11:23 PM

QUOTE(JDFoxTrot79 @ Jan 21 2009, 12:22 AM)
Dude chill, you are taking this way too harshly
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how so?

Posted by: kooljazz1966 Jan 20 2009, 11:26 PM

ChopinAlex, Bob, RGBII, Cdoyal....Please Help!!! My Congratulatory Thread to the incoming President has been Hijacked by a possible Somali Pirate!!! biggrin.gif...Little does he know I ain't gonna pay the ransom to get it back! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


-kjazzzzzzzzz

Posted by: jkseb1972 Jan 20 2009, 11:28 PM

i don't understand this sometimes. you try to join a conversation and unless you totally agree and compliment every word, your seen as the enemy. I'm happy for those who voted for Obama, this is your day, enjoy it. sorry to come accross as a killjoy.

Posted by: kooljazz1966 Jan 20 2009, 11:34 PM

QUOTE(jkseb1972 @ Jan 20 2009, 10:28 PM)
i don't understand this sometimes. you try to join a conversation and unless you totally agree and compliment every word, your seen as the enemy. I'm happy for those who voted for Obama, this is your day, enjoy it. sorry to come accross as a killjoy.
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Joe,

You are kool with me.. Just having a bit of fun. Yes, I voted for Obama based on my available choices. I preferred Huckabee and Bill Richardson actually. I just hope as a nation we can move forward positively. Personally, I think Mitt Romney has a better financial sense than Timothy Geithner, but time will tell. Again, didn't mean to rub you wrong but I had to retort after the verdict is out comment you posted.

Sincerely,

Ken

Posted by: ffman Jan 20 2009, 11:46 PM

Congrats to Mr. President Obama and I hope he can deliver on many of his promises and improve our country!


Posted by: jaderock Jan 21 2009, 12:17 AM

Congrats to Obama. It is a true historical moment in time. May he have the impact that last for generations!

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It's a TOUGH act to clean with the current financial/economical/foreign affairs mess we are currently in. If McCain or Clinton won, I would say the same thing. This current president will have his hands full.

I hope the country pulls together and that we CAN make the difference!
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TO RGBII - I will do my part and COLLECT HARDER THAN EVER smile.gif

Posted by: pspstatus Jan 21 2009, 01:15 AM

I wish Obama could read a copy of your postive words. Very nice Ken.

Posted by: cdoyal Jan 21 2009, 12:16 PM

Sorry guys, I can't join the warm fuzzy thread here. Congratulations on what? Fooling 57-some million people into thinking you have good ideas? I hope he doesn't deliver on any of his promises. I've yet to see the government do anything well and Obama just promises more of it. That doom and gloom speech yesterday followed by the market dropping is not encouraging. I am not hopeful for his presidency so I'll not pretend to be just to jump on the sweetness and light bandwagon. If I see positive moves by him, then I'll be more supportive. Until then, I'll be realistic.

All this emotion surrounding this time is confusing to me. We elected a president based on emotion and feelings rather than issues. That truly saddens me. No one talks about what this hope and optimism is based on in terms of policy. I know, I know, the world will love us again, a "smart" guy is in the white house (just how smart are these cabinet picks?), etc. I am not bitter or angry - I'm just sad. But I am optimistic because emotion is short lived and sooner or later, it will wear off and then the new administration will be held accountable for their actions - not just their words.

I certainly don't want to rain on anyone's parade though so continue to celebrate! Enjoy the "hope" and "change", whatever that may be. smile.gif

Posted by: ffman Jan 21 2009, 12:24 PM

Wow. Give the man a chance.

QUOTE(cdoyal @ Jan 21 2009, 11:16 AM)
Sorry guys, I can't join the warm fuzzy thread here. Congratulations on what? Fooling 57-some million people into thinking you have good ideas? I hope he doesn't deliver on any of his promises. I've yet to see the government do anything well and Obama just promises more of it. That doom and gloom speech yesterday followed by the market dropping is not encouraging.  I am not hopeful for his presidency so I'll not pretend to be just to jump on the sweetness and light bandwagon. If I see positive moves by him, then I'll be more supportive. Until then, I'll be realistic.

All this emotion surrounding this time is confusing to me. We elected a president based on emotion and feelings rather than issues. That truly saddens me.  No one talks about what this hope and optimism is based on in terms of policy. I know, I know, the world will love us again, a "smart" guy is in the white house (just how smart are these cabinet picks?), etc. I am not bitter or angry - I'm just sad. But I am optimistic because emotion is short lived and sooner or later, it will wear off and then the new administration will be held accountable for their actions - not just their words.

I certainly don't want to rain on anyone's parade though so continue to celebrate! Enjoy the "hope" and "change", whatever that may be.  smile.gif
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Posted by: cdoyal Jan 21 2009, 12:32 PM

QUOTE(ffman @ Jan 21 2009, 12:24 PM)
Wow.  Give the man a chance.
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I don't seem to remember the left wanting to give Bush a chance in 2000 because he "stole the election".

I guess I have to modify a statement in my post. I am bitter about one thing - the way Bush was treated by the left and the media for eight years. Many people won't ever forget that so don't expect everyone to immediately and blindly support Obama now.

Posted by: ffman Jan 21 2009, 12:50 PM

You don't have to "support" Obama. Don't be so negative about him every chance you get when he hasn't done ANYTHING right or wrong yet.

I'm not going to blindly shower him with praise because he hasn't done anything yet. Likewise, I don't know why some want to have such a hateful attitude yet for the same reason.

QUOTE(cdoyal @ Jan 21 2009, 11:32 AM)
I don't seem to remember the left wanting to give Bush a chance in 2000 because he "stole the election".

I guess I have to modify a statement in my post. I am bitter about one thing - the way Bush was treated by the left and the media for eight years. Many people won't ever forget that so don't expect everyone to immediately and blindly support Obama now.
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Posted by: cdoyal Jan 21 2009, 01:22 PM

QUOTE(ffman @ Jan 21 2009, 12:50 PM)
You don't have to "support" Obama.  Don't be so negative about him every chance you get when he hasn't done ANYTHING right or wrong yet.

I'm not going to blindly shower him with praise because he hasn't done anything yet.  Likewise, I don't know why some want to have such a hateful attitude yet for the same reason.
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He hasn't done anything wrong yet, just promised things that are wrong like universal health care, signing the freedom of choice act, and closing GITMO.

I thought I clarified my feeling and it's sadness, certainly not anything close to hate.

Posted by: ffman Jan 21 2009, 01:28 PM

Many, including me, view closing GITMO as a good thing considering the controversies surrounding it over the past few years.

aceecards bashed Obama without ceasing during the election. Yet in his topic he chose to at least TRY to give the President the benefit of the doubt.

QUOTE(cdoyal @ Jan 21 2009, 12:22 PM)
He hasn't done anything wrong yet, just promised things that are wrong like universal health care, signing the freedom of choice act, and closing GITMO.

I thought I clarified my feeling and it's sadness, certainly not anything close to hate.
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Posted by: cdoyal Jan 21 2009, 01:50 PM

QUOTE(ffman @ Jan 21 2009, 01:28 PM)
Many, including me, view closing GITMO as a good thing considering the controversies surrounding it over the past few years.

aceecards bashed Obama without ceasing during the election.  Yet in his topic he chose to at least TRY to give the President the benefit of the doubt.
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The "controversies" were with a few select people who were punished. So it should be closed because it evokes bad emotions? (more emotions and feelings)

But to stay on topic, I refuse to be a lemming, riding a wave of emotion, over a cliff.

But I sure do "hope" I'm wrong about him!

Posted by: xebulba Jan 21 2009, 02:25 PM

QUOTE(cdoyal @ Jan 21 2009, 02:50 PM)
The "controversies" were with a few select people who were punished. So it should be closed because it evokes bad emotions? (more emotions and feelings)

But to stay on topic, I refuse to be a lemming, riding a wave of emotion, over a cliff.

But I sure do "hope" I'm wrong about him!
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funny coming from a bush-mccain man.

Posted by: cdoyal Jan 21 2009, 02:30 PM

QUOTE(xebulba @ Jan 21 2009, 02:25 PM)
funny coming from a bush-mccain man.
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Help me understand your point.

FYI - I was NEVER a McCain man. Romney was my pick.

Posted by: stlbaseball15 Jan 21 2009, 02:37 PM

QUOTE(cdoyal @ Jan 21 2009, 11:32 AM)
I don't seem to remember the left wanting to give Bush a chance in 2000 because he "stole the election".

I guess I have to modify a statement in my post. I am bitter about one thing - the way Bush was treated by the left and the media for eight years. Many people won't ever forget that so don't expect everyone to immediately and blindly support Obama now.
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What about his 90% approval ratings after 9/11?

And you say you dont want to rain on anybody's parade right after doing so for two paragraphs. Youre just a walking logical error lately.

And you "hope he doesn't deliver on any of his promises?" Are you kidding? You are actually so bitter after the election that you wish failure on the winner, even though his failure is directly related to the failure of the people and the nation? Come off it.

Posted by: cdoyal Jan 21 2009, 02:57 PM

QUOTE(stlbaseball15 @ Jan 21 2009, 02:37 PM)
What about his 90% approval ratings after 9/11?

And you say you dont want to rain on anybody's parade right after doing so for two paragraphs. Youre just a walking logical error lately.

And you "hope he doesn't deliver on any of his promises?" Are you kidding? You are actually so bitter after the election that you wish failure on the winner, even though his failure is directly related to the failure of the people and the nation? Come off it.
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If you hadn't been sleeping in reading class, you'd understand that I want his policies to fail - not him.

Posted by: stlbaseball15 Jan 21 2009, 03:04 PM

QUOTE(cdoyal @ Jan 21 2009, 01:57 PM)
If you hadn't been sleeping in reading class, you'd understand that I want his policies to fail - not him.
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Please explain to me how that is any different. A policy failure is a personal failure when your at the highest position. He has everything riding on his policies, his reputation, his legacy.

While Bush was president, I didnt like him or his policies or his actions. He might have been a failure, but I sure didnt wish him to. He is the President. If he fails, so do we.

Posted by: cdoyal Jan 21 2009, 03:21 PM

QUOTE(stlbaseball15 @ Jan 21 2009, 03:04 PM)
Please explain to me how that is any different. A policy failure is a personal failure when your at the highest position. He has everything riding on his policies, his reputation, his legacy.

While Bush was president, I didnt like him or his policies or his actions. He might have been a failure, but I sure didnt wish him to. He is the President. If he fails, so do we.
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If you don't study and fail a test by putting down all the wrong answers, are you a failure as a person? No. You probably succeed in other things.
If I met you, I probably wouldn't like you as a person (based on the way you present yourself here) but that doesn't mean I want you to fail as a person. I would want you to succeed in life but I sure wouldn't want you to lead the country.

I do the wrong thing sometimes in my personal life as we all do. But as a whole, I'm certainly not a failure by any measure.

If "The One" didn't want the tough job with "everything riding on it", then he shouldn't have run.

Posted by: ffman Jan 21 2009, 03:44 PM

Wouldn't you guess that if the President, the leader of our country, fails - our country isn't going to do too good either?

Failing a test and failing as President are two VERY different things.

"The One" junk is annoying. The only ones I hear carrying on about that are anti-Obama folks.

QUOTE(cdoyal @ Jan 21 2009, 02:21 PM)
If you don't study and fail a test by putting down all the wrong answers, are you a failure as a person? No. You probably succeed in other things.
If I met you, I probably wouldn't like you as a person (based on the way you present yourself here) but that doesn't mean I want you to fail as a person. I would want you to succeed in life but I sure wouldn't want you to lead the country.

I do the wrong thing sometimes in my personal life as we all do. But as a whole, I'm certainly not a failure by any measure.

If "The One" didn't want the tough job with "everything riding on it", then he shouldn't have run.
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Posted by: cdoyal Jan 21 2009, 03:58 PM

QUOTE(ffman @ Jan 21 2009, 03:44 PM)
Wouldn't you guess that if the President, the leader of our country, fails - our country isn't going to do too good either?

Failing a test and failing as President are two VERY different things. 

"The One" junk is annoying.  The only ones I hear carrying on about that are anti-Obama folks.
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I thought I had made this clear but apparently I've failed.

I want Obama to succeed as President if the definition of success is that taxes are lower, personal responsibility is touted, our enemies are defeated, government shrinks, the stock market rises, etc. etc.

I want Obama to fail as President if the definition of success is that taxes are higher, health care is run by the governement, taxes are raised, our enemies are appeased, decisions are made based on how the world perceives us, abortion on demand at any time during pregnancy is law, etc. etc.

As far as "The One" label, we've lived with "The Shrub", Bushie, Daddy Bush's little boy, etc. as well as all the unmentionable labels for eight years.

Posted by: kooljazz1966 Jan 21 2009, 04:12 PM

I've been tweaking my resume and pimping it to potential employers all day...I despise this cat and mouse game of employment but crunch time is coming sooner than later for me ... Needless to say my head is spinning so I may chime in with more thoughts on some of the post to this thread this p.m.

Peace
-kooljazz1996
"Self Appointed KIR Party Chairman"

Posted by: cdoyal Jan 21 2009, 04:34 PM

QUOTE(kooljazz1966 @ Jan 21 2009, 04:12 PM)
I've been tweaking my resume and pimping it to potential employers all day...I despise this cat and mouse game of employment but crunch time is coming sooner than later for me ... Needless to say my head is spinning so I may chime in with more thoughts on some of the post to this thread this p.m.

Peace
-kooljazz1996
"Self Appointed KIR Party Chairman"
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Good Luck! Be confident in your abilities and someone will recognize it.
Be thankful you don't live in Michigan...

Posted by: stlbaseball15 Jan 21 2009, 05:55 PM

QUOTE(cdoyal @ Jan 21 2009, 02:58 PM)
I thought I had made this clear but apparently I've failed.

I want Obama to succeed as President if the definition of success is that taxes are lower, personal responsibility is touted, our enemies are defeated, government shrinks, the stock market rises, etc. etc.

I want Obama to fail as President if the definition of success is that taxes are higher, health care is run by the governement, taxes are raised, our enemies are appeased, decisions are made based on how the world perceives us,  abortion on demand at any time during pregnancy is law, etc. etc.

As far as "The One" label, we've lived with "The Shrub", Bushie, Daddy Bush's little boy, etc. as well as all the unmentionable labels for eight years.
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So you judge success purely on ideological grounds? That's not very practical. I thought you said you were a realist?

Posted by: cdoyal Jan 21 2009, 06:09 PM

QUOTE(stlbaseball15 @ Jan 21 2009, 05:55 PM)
So you judge success purely on ideological grounds? That's not very practical. I thought you said you were a realist?
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I have no idea how you come to that conclusion.
Success come in many forms.

Posted by: RGBII Jan 21 2009, 07:50 PM

QUOTE(cdoyal @ Jan 21 2009, 12:16 PM)
I certainly don't want to rain on anyone's parade though so continue to celebrate! Enjoy the "hope" and "change", whatever that may be.  smile.gif
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Well, you've not only rained on the parade, you've managed to
bring Katrina back.

I fully intend to enjoy and find inspiration in the hope, joy and
celebration that I witnessed in the bitter cold of the Mall yesterday.
There is, whether the ultra-right cares to acknowledge it or not, an
anticipation of glory and greatness in this administration.
Granted, your statement that emotion is short-lived, there are at
least 1 million of us that will hold on to it longer than you assume.

The bar is as low as it has been in the history of this country, if
a comparison between the present occupants of the West Wing and
those that preceded them is concerned. They can only succeed
at this point.

GITMO will require another thread, one which I shall initiate,
have no doubts.

Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: jkseb1972 Jan 21 2009, 09:08 PM

QUOTE(xebulba @ Jan 21 2009, 03:25 PM)
funny coming from a bush-mccain man.
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funny comming from an Obama man..

Posted by: jkseb1972 Jan 21 2009, 09:13 PM

QUOTE(stlbaseball15 @ Jan 21 2009, 04:04 PM)
Please explain to me how that is any different. A policy failure is a personal failure when your at the highest position. He has everything riding on his policies, his reputation, his legacy.

While Bush was president, I didnt like him or his policies or his actions. He might have been a failure, but I sure didnt wish him to. He is the President. If he fails, so do we.
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bush wasn't a failure, after 9/11, he got tunnel vision and was bent on keeping us safe and stomping out terrorism, all the while being mislead with faulty intelligence. for the last year or so, things have been going well with the exception of the economy, and that can't be pinned on him. he was deffinately not the greatest president we have ever had, not even in the to 10 or 20. but he wasn't a failure.

Posted by: jkseb1972 Jan 21 2009, 09:15 PM

on a side note, wake forest just went down at home, number 1 falls again!

Posted by: kooljazz1966 Jan 21 2009, 09:34 PM

QUOTE(jkseb1972 @ Jan 21 2009, 08:13 PM)
bush wasn't a failure, after 9/11, he got tunnel vision and was bent on keeping us safe and stomping out terrorism, all the while being mislead with faulty intelligence.....
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The Intelligence was not faultyafter 9/11. He still chose to stay the course. He is the Decision maker. His legacy will be quite revealing. Some good, some bad. Tricky Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld on the other hand are whole different beasts with own agendas that came to fruition; they always had the Boss' ear. Loyalty can make you great or do you in!..Lame Duck comes to mind. Rummy has been chillin' for some time now and probably smirkishly laughing the whole while unsure.gif . Nothing is more important than sage counsel from boots on the ground!

Peace,

Party Chairman

Posted by: stlbaseball15 Jan 21 2009, 09:36 PM

QUOTE(cdoyal @ Jan 21 2009, 05:09 PM)
I have no idea how you come to that conclusion.
Success come in many forms.
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You describe two possible definitions of success, both being based on ideological grounds. I quote,

"I want Obama to succeed as President if the definition of success is that taxes are lower, personal responsibility is touted, our enemies are defeated, government shrinks, the stock market rises, etc. etc.

I want Obama to fail as President if the definition of success is that taxes are higher, health care is run by the governement, taxes are raised, our enemies are appeased, decisions are made based on how the world perceives us, abortion on demand at any time during pregnancy is law, etc. etc."


We clearly know which one of those you stand for. But what of practical success? Such as ending the recession or restoring our integrity abroad? Do you not care for these endings if he doesnt accomplish them in the way you describe above?

Posted by: stlbaseball15 Jan 21 2009, 09:38 PM

QUOTE(jkseb1972 @ Jan 21 2009, 08:13 PM)
bush wasn't a failure, after 9/11, he got tunnel vision and was bent on keeping us safe and stomping out terrorism, all the while being mislead with faulty intelligence. for the last year or so, things have been going well with the exception of the economy, and that can't be pinned on him. he was deffinately not the greatest president we have ever had, not even in the to 10 or 20. but he wasn't a failure.
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This is the Political forum. I dont think there is a Mythology and Fairytale forum yet, perhaps you should ask Bob about it.

Posted by: jkseb1972 Jan 21 2009, 09:43 PM

QUOTE(kooljazz1966 @ Jan 21 2009, 10:34 PM)
The Intelligence was not faultyafter 9/11. He still chose to stay the course. He is the Decision maker. His legacy will be quite revealing. Some good, some bad. Tricky Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld on the other hand are whole different beasts with own agendas that came to fruition; they always had the Boss' ear.  Loyalty can make you great or do you in!..Lame Duck comes to mind. Rummy has been chillin' for some time now and probably smirkishly laughing the whole while  unsure.gif . Nothing is more important than sage counsel from boots on the ground!

Peace,

Party Chairman
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agreed, mostly. but the WMD intel was quite different then what was found, and barring the circumstances of 9/11, I can see why he chose to make the moves he did, and apparently most of the country as well. at the time, he had the country on his side, it wasn't til later, after lives were lost and months went by, that people started pointing fingers. and not just the intel, but the leadership of our trrops overseas wasn't quite up to par. since pitreus took over, things have started turning around. some decisions can't just be undone. the war is what it is. pulling out now wuld prove to be a big mistake, the same held true for the past couple yrs. true, he is accountable, being the president, but i still don't see him as a "failure"

Posted by: chopinalex Jan 21 2009, 09:50 PM

QUOTE(cdoyal @ Jan 21 2009, 11:16 AM)
Sorry guys, I can't join the warm fuzzy thread here. Congratulations on what? Fooling 57-some million people into thinking you have good ideas? I hope he doesn't deliver on any of his promises. I've yet to see the government do anything well and Obama just promises more of it. That doom and gloom speech yesterday followed by the market dropping is not encouraging.  I am not hopeful for his presidency so I'll not pretend to be just to jump on the sweetness and light bandwagon. If I see positive moves by him, then I'll be more supportive. Until then, I'll be realistic.

All this emotion surrounding this time is confusing to me. We elected a president based on emotion and feelings rather than issues. That truly saddens me.  No one talks about what this hope and optimism is based on in terms of policy. I know, I know, the world will love us again, a "smart" guy is in the white house (just how smart are these cabinet picks?), etc. I am not bitter or angry - I'm just sad. But I am optimistic because emotion is short lived and sooner or later, it will wear off and then the new administration will be held accountable for their actions - not just their words.
smile.gif 
I certainly don't want to rain on anyone's parade though so continue to celebrate! Enjoy the "hope" and "change", whatever that may be.  smile.gif
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CONGRATS Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The new age begins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif

Posted by: jkseb1972 Jan 21 2009, 09:50 PM

..and although i didn't vote for Obama (not a big fan of McCain either), i really hope he can do great things for this country. but almost inevitably things will happen that will make him look bad, things will fall in his lap that he will have had nothing to do with and will be expected to own up to them. hopefully when that happens, we don't look at him as a failure either. I honestly believe EVERY president has the best of intentions for this country, but then again not one of them will make all the right decisions.

Posted by: kooljazz1966 Jan 24 2009, 12:14 PM

QUOTE(chopinalex @ Jan 21 2009, 08:50 PM)
CONGRATS Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The new age begins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

smile.gif  smile.gif  smile.gif
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Your Avatar and sig is killing me..Put a Beard on the Gibb on the left and then he looks just like Brad!! laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: stlbaseball15 Jan 24 2009, 02:49 PM

QUOTE(kooljazz1966 @ Jan 24 2009, 11:14 AM)
Your Avatar and sig is killing me..Put a Beard on the Gibb on the left and then he looks just like Brad!!  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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The scent of Barry Gibb's facial hair is intoxicating. I think that picture just made me pregnant. Twice. laugh.gif

Posted by: kooljazz1966 Jan 24 2009, 08:09 PM

QUOTE(stlbaseball15 @ Jan 24 2009, 01:49 PM)
The scent of Barry Gibb's facial hair is intoxicating. I think that picture just made me pregnant. Twice. laugh.gif
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I get first dibbs on naming conventions!! laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Ilovetheheat Nov 15 2012, 05:10 PM

Four more years... Congrats Mr.President.

The American people have spoken!

Posted by: kooljazz1966 Jan 14 2013, 10:55 PM

QUOTE(Ilovetheheat @ Nov 15 2012, 05:10 PM)
Four more years... Congrats Mr.President.

The American people have spoken!
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This last Presidential election cycle has been non-stop and ruthless from start to finish. I accuse and find the biased media (mainstream TV/ and Talk Radio) culpable and primarily responsible for four more years of the Obama adminstration more so than the respective campaigns themselves. I have a lot of feedback to give based on how I think the administration performed the last four years but will reserve comment for another post.

Happy 2013 folks!

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