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post Mar 19 2011, 06:24 PM
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Has anyone been keeping up on this thing? I've been watching it on the news when I happen to see it on TV, and have a basic idea of what's going on and why Gaddafi is not well thought of - but I'm just kind of curious as to why the French are so angry. It just seemed like they came out of nowhere and starting leading the whole thing. Is there anything that Gaddafi did against France or any French people specifically? I just find it a bit curious and after a few minutes of Googling, I haven't found anything that would make them want to act before anyone else.



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post Mar 19 2011, 07:39 PM
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The French had no choice. They are part of the UN and the UN said that this was going to happen. They either had to help or get ousted!

As far the the Libya problem, I am watching it very closely and it is ugly. Ghadaffi is a piece of work, killing civilians (women and children) without any concern. He ordered the fire bombing of an entire community because it was suspected that they were harbouring Rebels.

The U.N. gave him and Ultimatum: Cease fire or We Fire! He called the cease fire and broke it in the same breath! Now he has two choices: Fight until we capture him and try him for war crimes or fight until we kill him, because rest assured, one of the two WILL happen!


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QUOTE(sasports @ Mar 19 2011, 07:39 PM)
As far the the Libya problem,  I am watching it very closely and it is ugly.  Ghadaffi is a piece of work,  killing civilians (women and children) without any concern.  He ordered the fire bombing of an entire community because it was suspected that they were harbouring Rebels. 

The U.N. gave him and Ultimatum:  Cease fire or We Fire!    He called the cease fire and broke it in the same breath!  Now he has two choices:  Fight until we capture him and try him for war crimes or fight until we kill him, because rest assured,  one of the two WILL happen!
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Hmmm.....
This sounds oddly familiar. Where have we seen this before?
I guess it's all ok now that Obama's at the helm.


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QUOTE(cdoyal @ Mar 21 2011, 09:33 AM)
Hmmm.....
This sounds oddly familiar. Where have we seen this before?
I guess it's all ok now that Obama's at the helm.
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I'm not going into the Bush/Obama area (especially since most Republicans said Obama "acted too slow" on taking action in Libya), but:

I am torn on this idea. Ghaddafi is out of control, but at what point do we stop interfering with other countries? We can't be the "World Police" forever. If we are helping in Libya, why didn't we intervene in Darfur and other places where mass genocide was taking place?

In regards to other countries, we are darned if we do and darned if we don't. First the Arab League of Nations supported a no-fly zone, and now they say we are doing too much.


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QUOTE(ffman @ Mar 21 2011, 12:08 PM)
We can't be the "World Police" forever.  If we are helping in Libya, why didn't we intervene in Darfur and other places where mass genocide was taking place?
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When a similar question was posed during the Bush years, the answer was that Bush was doing it all for the oil. Maybe Obama's trying to raise his ailing poll numbers and prove to the world that he's not a wimp?


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QUOTE(cdoyal @ Mar 21 2011, 12:59 PM)
When a similar question was posed during the Bush years, the answer was that Bush was doing it all for the oil. Maybe Obama's trying to raise his ailing poll numbers and prove to the world that he's not a wimp?
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It would have happened no matter whether it was Obama or McCain in office - both Reps and Democrats left and right (especially Republicans) were wanting this.



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QUOTE(ffman @ Mar 21 2011, 02:08 PM)
It would have happened no matter whether it was Obama or McCain in office - both Reps and Democrats left and right (especially Republicans) were wanting this.
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Wanting what? War with Libya? Obama not being a wimp?

So it's all about who's for it or against it rather than it being the right or wrong thing?


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QUOTE(cdoyal @ Mar 21 2011, 01:33 PM)
Wanting what? War with Libya? Obama not being a wimp?

So it's all about who's for it or against it rather than it being the right or wrong thing?
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Wanting operations in Libya.

You were the one who brought up the topic of Obama and made comparisons to the perception of the Iraq War. I was just running with that line of thought.


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QUOTE(ffman @ Mar 21 2011, 02:37 PM)
Wanting operations in Libya.

You were the one who brought up the topic of Obama and made comparisons to the perception of the Iraq War.  I was just running with that line of thought.
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I figured but just wanted clarification. Hussein was ten time worse but since Bush was in office at the time...

At our secret Evil Rich Republican meetings (ok, it's really just playing cards at the neighbor's house), we sit around and talk about the unbelievable double standards going on right now. Most of our conversations start out with "Can you believe what would have happened if Bush had been president when this happened?" It really is an amazing thing to see.


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QUOTE(cdoyal @ Mar 21 2011, 02:21 PM)
I figured but just wanted clarification. Hussein was ten time worse but since Bush was in office at the time...

At our secret Evil Rich Republican meetings (ok, it's really just playing cards at the neighbor's house), we sit around and talk about the unbelievable double standards going on right now. Most of our conversations start out with "Can you believe what would have happened if Bush had been president when this happened?" It really is an amazing thing to see.
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The double standards idea goes for both sides.

But, enough of that as Richard pointed out. Who knows what will come of our involvement over there, especially since most of the missiles being fired are ours.


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yilduz   Libya   Mar 19 2011, 06:24 PM
2000 rushing yards   As right as it may be to do this. I don't beli...   Mar 19 2011, 09:52 PM
yilduz   Gadafhi is a nutbag and needs to be removed from p...   Mar 19 2011, 10:24 PM
Johnny Number 5   Gadafi is a modern day Hitler, and its sad. j   Mar 19 2011, 10:29 PM
RGBII   [b]The French have a long history of imperialism i...   Mar 20 2011, 09:42 AM
edgerrin32   My thoughts on this. It might happening for the ri...   Mar 21 2011, 11:35 AM
tj2373   He's been kind of quiet over the last 20 somet...   Mar 21 2011, 11:55 AM
RGBII   [b]The focus on the originating post is remarkable...   Mar 21 2011, 03:29 PM
cdoyal   Ouch! Sarcasm noted. :(   Mar 21 2011, 03:37 PM
Zimbow   Its ok! We can afford to get involved. I mean ...   Mar 21 2011, 05:10 PM
edgerrin32   And people will wonder "what happened...   Mar 21 2011, 07:20 PM
sasports   Ok, to tie the original topic into the Bush/Obama:...   Mar 21 2011, 07:30 PM
cdoyal   There was an informal discussion on Facebook by ...   Mar 22 2011, 07:37 AM
ffman   To make matters worse, we seem to be at odds inter...   Mar 21 2011, 10:56 PM
aceecards   Bush sadly is in the past.. Didnt any of you liste...   Mar 22 2011, 08:08 AM


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