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Posted by: RGBII Jun 21 2012, 06:05 PM

the first design of many for the folks in the streets
of Tampa, Florida in August.

We'll sweat hard in the Dog Days but rest assured,
we will be heard , photographed and videoed.

user posted image

Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: mjda Jun 21 2012, 06:32 PM

Looks like a great scare tactic poster.

Posted by: RGBII Jun 21 2012, 06:33 PM

QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 21 2012, 07:32 PM)
Looks like a great scare tactic poster.
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As I stated, the first of many!

Collect Hard!
RBII

Posted by: sasports Jun 21 2012, 07:10 PM

Absolute redneck filth! Get a haircut and lay off the meds. They are starting to affect your sanity!

Posted by: RGBII Jun 21 2012, 07:40 PM

QUOTE(sasports @ Jun 21 2012, 08:10 PM)
Absolute redneck filth!  Get a haircut and lay off the meds.    They are starting to affect your sanity!
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Now you're stealing my quotes without ample and
courteous acknowledgement.

I'm not absolutely sure that this plagiarism is a direct
violation of TCC guidelines, but rest assured I will
research the matter laugh.gif

Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: aceecards Jun 21 2012, 10:06 PM

let me plagarize this.

dont make me round up a few of my redneck friends who like to go by initials like jd and bubba and such and open a can of whoop butt on the distinguished democrat from chesapeake bay.

Climb back on your bar stool open up ANOTHER BLACK AND TAN and read Karl Marx or Groucho Marx whatever works better for ya!

Mitt is the lessor of two evils in 12

Posted by: RGBII Jun 21 2012, 11:19 PM

Mr. Emerick,

I'll be buttoning you and your kind up for the next two months.

Understand this . . , creativity knows no bounds. It'll be here tomorrow, the next day
and beyond. That stated, know this as well, I'll use it to humiliate,
to refute, to simply make your day go bad due to a post that you read on the Internet.

Hoss, I'll never need assistance in climbing on my bar stool,
although I semi-appreciate your concern. tongue.gif

Collect Hard!,
RGBIi

Posted by: sasports Jun 22 2012, 06:03 AM

But of course you don't need help on your bar stool. That's what you have your walker for you long haired geriatric Bush loving hippie.

laugh.gif

Posted by: mjda Jun 22 2012, 03:56 PM

QUOTE(RGBII @ Jun 21 2012, 11:19 PM)
I'll be buttoning you and your kind  up for the next two months.


Assuming I fall into the "your kind" category I can assure you, good sir, that this poster wouldn't button me up at all. In fact (maybe a word your kind doesn't understand?), I would simply point and laugh at a poster like that, along with anyone who actually thought it to contain any kind of truth. biggrin.gif

Posted by: RGBII Jun 22 2012, 04:20 PM

QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 22 2012, 04:56 PM)
Assuming I fall into the "your kind" category I can assure you, good sir, that this poster wouldn't button me up at all. In fact (maybe a word your kind doesn't understand?), I would simply point and laugh at a poster like that, along with anyone who actually thought it to contain any kind of truth. biggrin.gif
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Fine and dandy, I've got more designs in the works.

Updates/photos will follow.

Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: aceecards Jun 22 2012, 06:26 PM

I drank two jumbo margaritas tonite at my fave tex mex haunt

they were lethal!

Give them beans time to ferment and I can spew stinky stuff from both ends.

Democrat party loving swine beware!

Posted by: RGBII Jun 22 2012, 06:30 PM

QUOTE(aceecards @ Jun 22 2012, 07:26 PM)
Democrat party loving swine beware!
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Well, that just excluded me and mine from the equation.

Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: aceecards Jun 22 2012, 06:34 PM

Lo-bama has been such a disappointment not even his governor friend in Hawaii can show support for him for fear of losing his own re-election.!

and What abotu executive priviledge.. isnt that where you can fly your daughter and a half million dollars of taxpayer money to some private party.. no wait thats just abuse of executive power..

Executive privilege is protecting your A$$ from duns for dollars from drugs with the mexican drug cartel.. kinda of like iran contra onyl without Ollie and Ronnie in leading roles!

Heck even Slick Willie cant support Brokebama!

Lets see

We got no new jobs, the war aint over, the prison in cuba is still full, our boys are still in harms way, economy is still in tank, gas prices have come down but had never been higher. Consumer Confidence in the tank, Banks have been downgraded even more , housing market still hoovers.. Is there any of Notaoneobamas campaign promises that he ac tually accomplished..

Oh wait he kept the BUSH tax cuts going, cant blame W for that!

and Yes I do Miss W.. at least he showed emotion

Barack OBAMA was and is the most UNQUALIFIED Man to be president EVER!

Posted by: aceecards Jun 22 2012, 06:37 PM

lol

here is a sign for tampa.!

user posted image

Posted by: RGBII Jun 22 2012, 06:41 PM

Okay!

The presumptive Republican candidate for the Presidency
of the United States is Mitt Romney.

Do I really need to type any more?

Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: aceecards Jun 22 2012, 06:53 PM

some more of my faves..LOL

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

and my all time personal fave


Posted by: aceecards Jun 22 2012, 06:54 PM

QUOTE(RGBII @ Jun 22 2012, 06:41 PM)
Okay!

The presumptive Republican candidate for the Presidency
of the United States is Mitt Romney.

Do I really need to type any more?

Collect Hard!,
RGBII

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hey he is a d- oo- uu -cc-hh----- too so i say vote for none.

It cant be any worse

Is harold Stassen still alive?!

Posted by: RGBII Jun 22 2012, 07:05 PM

QUOTE(aceecards @ Jun 22 2012, 07:54 PM)
hey he is a d- oo- uu -cc-hh----- too so i say vote for none.

It cant be any worse

Is harold Stassen still alive?!
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Oh, yes, it can certainly be worse.

I rest my case.

Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: booth9919 Jun 22 2012, 07:33 PM

Let's just settle it now and say it's time for RON PAUL!!!!!!

Posted by: ISLP55 Jun 22 2012, 07:35 PM

Obama BAD for Freedom.

Ressurect the Greatest President since George Wahington....

RONALD (MAGNAMINUS) REAGAN.... Man, There was a Leader and Great American!!!

Even that piece of trash obamm wants to be like the Great One, but fails so baddly. bama is not worth a speck the dirt off of Mr. Reagan's shoes.

I agree Romney is not a decent candidate...but still far above the piece of vermon we have in there now.

Can you tell I do not like bama?

Posted by: aceecards Jun 22 2012, 07:47 PM

QUOTE(ISLP55 @ Jun 22 2012, 07:35 PM)
Obama BAD for Freedom.

Ressurect the Greatest President since George Wahington....

RONALD (MAGNAMINUS) REAGAN.... Man, There was a Leader and Great American!!!

Even that piece of trash obamm wants to be like the Great One, but fails so baddly. bama is not worth a speck the dirt off of Mr. Reagan's shoes.

I agree Romney is not a decent candidate...but still far above the piece of vermon we have in there now.

Can you tell I do not like bama?
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Ron paul or Rick Santorum wouldve been betetr than Mitt

Posted by: RGBII Jun 22 2012, 07:55 PM

QUOTE(ISLP55 @ Jun 22 2012, 08:35 PM)
Obama BAD for Freedom.

Ressurect the Greatest President since George Wahington....

RONALD (MAGNAMINUS) REAGAN.... Man, There was a Leader and Great American!!!

Yeah! an Attorney General that was and is as seedy as it comes. Can you say Ed Meese (without throwing up?)

Even that piece of trash obamm wants to be like the Great One, but fails so baddly. bama is not worth a speck the dirt off of Mr. reagan shoes.

Yeah, the last 4+/- years were run by Mr. Howard Baker, the Chief of Staff and former senator from Tennessee, Probably a good call, as he was a moderate voice in the maelstrom. Not to mention the fact that Mr. Reagan was showing signs of dementia during this time frame.

I agree Romney is not a decent candidate...but still far above the piece of vermon we have in there now.

"Vermin", well there 'ya go.

I'll rest my case once again!


Can you tell I do not like bama?
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Roger that, your "opinion" is noted and remembered. rolleyes.gif

Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: RGBII Jun 22 2012, 08:17 PM

QUOTE(aceecards @ Jun 22 2012, 08:47 PM)
Ron paul or Rick Santorum wouldve been betetr than Mitt
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Rick Santorum?

You have got to be kidding me.'

A Bible-Thumping Freak in the Oval Office? Yeah, that'll
work real well.

Please think through your responses here, as I would
prefer intellectual responses as opposed to emotional
drivel in this thread.

One can still "Hope", can't one?

Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: redwing40 Jun 22 2012, 08:40 PM

Ha, I never speak political views, let's put it this way, I'm barely making it, work slowing down, food and gas at a high, I make $2 dollars to much for any state help for a family that has two special needs kid's, both hearing impaired, Need hearing aids which I pay out of pocket for, state aid cut that and I have to make payments, loss health. Insurance for my family from work a few months back, I'm just covered due to blue cross price per family, $900 a month with 3000 deductible to be paid first, Obama health plan? Might be cause!


So, as I sit thinking how I'm gonna make it for my family, and I as go to the store today,


Posted by: redwing40 Jun 22 2012, 08:48 PM

Lol cut short my post by mistake, anyways who will make it better, have not voted in past 8 year's, nothing has changed but got worse! Ugh!

Posted by: ISLP55 Jun 23 2012, 01:14 AM

What do you mean well thought out responses? I lived through Carters crap (14 to 18 yoa). Yeah...good years if you had money in CD's. Interest rate at about 22%. Gas lines...I worked at service stations. Failed attempt to rescue hostages...military ripped up by this idiot. and bama is worse...he is an enemy of the United States. We kicked out Bush Sr for "read my lips" and that was just one broken promise. Obama has lied so much it is hard to keep score. Cliton and his lies, meaning of "is" "is"???? Morally bankrupt.
Bama's waste of money on vactions and plane rides, clintons haircut, that wife of bama and her food nazi ways. More freedoms have been eroded or removed under this guy than when Lincoln and Bush broke the Posse Comitatus. Health care is till a mess, brags about how many people have had to sign up for food stamps. I know President Reagan made mistakes and I admit the new tax write offs he enacted were bad (removed interest on Credit cards and others to move it to house interest as one of the only thing you can write off). Unlike the cool aid drinking libs. I can call any bad act just that. President reagan signed a compact with the vatican I disagreed with...but he did much more good than evil like bama. You tell a tree hugging liberal that a broken leg whould hurt they would say prove it, but I don't need my leg broke to know it would hurt. But when some one does not buy into a liberals diatribe they cry 'foul", "hate speech", "you want dirty air and water", "that's racist", or "prove it". The proof is where we are today as a Nation; bankrupt: morally and fiscally. Unless you do not know your history this Great Country's Laws are based on that Bible your bashing. (I am not a ron paul fan...do not really like the guy) Almost every one of our founding fathers wrote many papers that stated their faith in the Almighty God of Heaven, not ali or buda. Especially George Washington. Why do you think there is prayer before congress opens or those pesky 10 commandments on almost every courtroom across this country? But you like the Constitution don't you...oh except for that pesky 2nd. one...the one that kept the Japeneses from invading our shores in WWII and keeps bama from total power and keeps chaos from the streets. You tell me.
WHAT HAS THAT SOCIALIST, obama, REALLY DONE FOR OUR COUNTRY THAT IS GOOD AND IN LINE WITH THE CONSTITUTION!!!

Posted by: RGBII Jun 23 2012, 04:46 AM

QUOTE(ISLP55 @ Jun 23 2012, 02:14 AM)
What do you mean well thought out responses?  I lived through Carters crap (14 to 18 yoa). Yeah...good years if you had money in CD's. Interest rate at about 22%.  Gas lines...I worked at service stations. Failed attempt to rescue hostages...military ripped up by this <implied profanity removed>. and bama is worse...he is an enemy of the United States. We kicked out Bush Sr for "read my lips" and that was just one broken promise. Obama has lied so much it is hard to keep score. Cliton and his lies, meaning of "is" "is"????  Morally bankrupt.
Bama's waste of money on vactions and plane rides, clintons haircut, that wife of bama and her food nazi ways. More freedoms have been eroded or removed under this guy than when Lincoln and Bush broke the Posse Comitatus. Health care is till a mess, brags about how many people have had to sign up for food stamps.  I know President Reagan made mistakes and I admit the new tax write offs he enacted were bad (removed interest on Credit cards and others to move it to house interest as one of the only thing you can write off). Unlike the cool aid drinking libs. I can call any bad act just that. President reagan signed a compact with the vatican I disagreed with...but he did much more good than evil like bama. You tell a tree hugging liberal that a broken leg whould hurt they would say prove it, but I don't need my leg broke to know it would hurt. But when some one does not buy into a liberals diatribe they cry 'foul", "hate speech", "you want dirty air and water", "that's racist", or "prove it". The proof is where we are today as a Nation; bankrupt: morally and fiscally. Unless you do not know your history this Great Country's Laws are based on that Bible your bashing. (I am not a ron paul fan...do not really like the guy) Almost every one of our founding fathers wrote many papers that stated their faith in the Almighty God of Heaven, not ali or buda. Especially George Washington.  Why do you think there is prayer before congress opens or those pesky 10 commandments on almost every courtroom across this country? But you like the Constitution don't you...oh except for that pesky 2nd. one...the one that kept the Japeneses from invading our shores in WWII and keeps bama from total power and keeps chaos from the streets. You tell me.
WHAT HAS THAT SOCIALIST, obama, REALLY DONE FOR OUR COUNTRY THAT IS GOOD  AND IN LINE WITH THE CONSTITUTION!!!
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I'll answer your vile diatribe point by very thoughtless point
a bit later but know this now, we do not condone profanity in any
form. Don't do it again, there will be no further warnings
.

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you and everyone other member agreed to when you signed up for access to this site.

Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: RGBII Jun 23 2012, 06:11 AM

QUOTE(ISLP55 @ Jun 23 2012, 02:14 AM)
What do you mean well thought out responses?

Just what I stated. Must I define term by term, word by word, syllable
by slyllable my posts? This is a rhetorical question, no need for a response.



  I lived through Carters crap (14 to 18 yoa). Yeah...good years if you had money in CD's. Interest rate at about 22%.  Gas lines...I worked at service stations. Failed attempt to rescue hostages...

A military mistake, wow! That must be a first.


military ripped up by this <implied profanity removed>. and bama is worse...he is an enemy of the United States.

Paranoid much?

We kicked out Bush Sr for "read my lips" and that was just one broken promise. Obama has lied so much it is hard to keep score. Cliton and his lies, meaning of "is" "is"????  Morally bankrupt.
Bama's waste of money on vactions and plane rides, clintons haircut, that wife of bama and her food nazi ways.

The Junior bush took over 2 1/2 years vacation over the span of his 8 years in office. (487 days at Camp David and another 490 at his ranch.
In the first year in office:
Carter took 19 days
Reagan took 42 days
HW Bush took 40 days
Clinton took 21 days
GW bush took 69 days
(Bush made 25 trips — a total of 78 days — to Camp David in 2001.)
Obama took 26 days
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/president-obamas-vacation-days
/


More freedoms have been eroded or removed under this guy than when Lincoln and Bush broke the Posse Comitatus.

"The Act, § 15 of the appropriations bill for the Army for 1879, found at 20 Stat. 152, was a response to, and subsequent prohibition of, the military occupation by U.S. Army troops of the former Confederate States during the ten years of Reconstruction (1867–1877) following the American Civil War (1861–1865). The U.S. withdrew federal troops from Southern states as a result of a compromise in one of the most disputed national elections in American history, the 1876 U.S. presidential election. Samuel J. Tilden of New York, the Democratic candidate, defeated Republican candidate Rutherford B. Hayes of Ohio in the popular vote. Tilden garnered 184 electoral votes to Hayes' 165; 20 disputed electoral votes remained uncounted. After a bitter fight, Congress struck a deal resolving the dispute and awarding the presidency to Hayes."


Lincoln could not have possibly "broke" the Posse Comitatus as he
had been dead for 14 years before its enactment.



Health care is till a mess, brags about how many people have had to sign up for food stamps.

I don't recall the bragging. Could you please cite a resource?

I know President Reagan made mistakes and I admit the new tax write offs he enacted were bad (removed interest on Credit cards and others to move it to house interest as one of the only thing you can write off). Unlike the cool aid drinking libs.

I believe the proper spelling is Kool-Aid.

I can call any bad act just that. President reagan signed a compact with the vatican I disagreed with...but he did much more good than evil like bama. You tell a tree hugging liberal that a broken leg whould hurt they would say prove it, but I don't need my leg broke to know it would hurt. But when some one does not buy into a liberals diatribe they cry 'foul", "hate speech", "you want dirty air and water", "that's racist", or "prove it".

That's a broad brush you're painting with. I (an unabashed Liberal), don't require, request or acquiesce to you putting words in my mouth. I do quite well on my own, thank you.

The proof is where we are today as a Nation; bankrupt: morally and fiscally. Unless you do not know your history this Great Country's Laws are based on that Bible your bashing. (I am not a ron paul fan...do not really like the guy) Almost every one of our founding fathers wrote many papers that stated their faith in the Almighty God of Heaven, not ali or buda.

Ali was a former Heavyweight Champion of the World. I don't have a clue as to "buda." I don't recall bashing the Bible. More than likely, because it has not occured.

Especially George Washington.  Why do you think there is prayer before congress opens or those pesky 10 commandments on almost every courtroom across this country? But you like the Constitution don't you...oh except for that pesky 2nd. one...the one that kept the Japeneses from invading our shores in WWII and keeps bama from total power and keeps chaos from the streets. You tell me.

Yet again, you assume to be privy to my thoughts and political philosophies. Do you have any notion of how arrogant, base and adolescent that habit is?

WHAT HAS THAT SOCIALIST, obama, REALLY DONE FOR OUR COUNTRY THAT IS GOOD  AND IN LINE WITH THE CONSTITUTION!!!

Restored adult behavior to the position of POTUS.

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Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: ISLP55 Jun 23 2012, 06:31 AM


I'll give you that one, but only because of this fine sites rules and being I did agree to follow the rules. But it does prove my point about liberals. They cry foul when someone steps on their toes. They especially like to become the ones to point out slight wrongs of others while being hypocrites themselves, for one must be smaller than the hypocrite they hide behind. Kind of like an Officer of the law giving a speeding citation to one person while they themselves speed and use their authority to escape a citation from a brother officer. The proper manner to handle this would have been for another moderator to post my public admonishment on this subject, since you are partial and have a stake in making me look stupid. You should have recused (see definition below) yourself in judging my "implied", though true, rule infraction. This, I have done when I was once a moderator on another great site. I back down not. Bring your best argument, for it cannot dispute truth and fact. Spin away and remember you started this with a defamatory remarks and a sign you plan to carry in public. Seems kinda strange I am judged by one who does not like to be judged or called out, but this is the bases of the democratic party and obama
( One who buses in spectators and will not field hard questions without venting them first and then has to use a TelePrompter for EVERYTHING and even then he cannot read properly. e.g. "Corps man".) (I will give you Gerald Ford tripping and Dan Quails mispelling potato). Setting aside the fact I trespassed one of this sites rules, liberals seek to cry foul and point to minor infractions of their enemy, proving and validating my claim.
"The Truth!, You can't handle the truth" (Jack Nicholson)
. You attempt to weld your authority around this site; I have noticed the tone and wording of some of your posts and it is conducive to your (over) reaction to my post. Before you say "prove it", Don't. It is my observation and others may not see it until they are made aware of it and come to this realization from this point on after reading the post you make. Those who read this will know if I speak truthfully and they will judge for themselves.

To this site and all who read the post prior to the removal, I truly apologize! Thanks JP

re·cuse (r-kyz)tr.v. re·cused, re·cus·ing, re·cus·es To disqualify or seek to disqualify from participation in a decision on grounds such as prejudice or personal involvement.



Posted by: RGBII Jun 23 2012, 06:36 AM

Mr. Perry,

You were not singled out for your viewpoints. You were
warned for a guideline violation, nothing more, nothing less.

I take you at your word that it will not happen again and
your apology is more than appreciated.

Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: ISLP55 Jun 23 2012, 07:17 AM


1-JP: What do you mean well thought out responses?

RGB: Just what I stated. Must I define term by term, word by word, syllable
by slyllable my posts? This is a rhetorical question, no need for a response.

JP: It was a saterical respose to your snipping.

2-JP: I lived through Carters crap (14 to 18 yoa). Yeah...good years if you had money in CD's. Interest rate at about 22%. Gas lines...I worked at service stations. Failed attempt to rescue hostages...

RGB: A military mistake, wow! That must be a first.

JP: You focus on the tree and do not see the forest of this statement.

3-JP: military ripped up by this idiot and bama is worse...he is an enemy of the United States.

RGB: Paranoid much?

JP: Yes, I am! Especially when it comes to my freedoms.

4-JP: We kicked out Bush Sr for "read my lips" and that was just one broken promise. Obama has lied so much it is hard to keep score. Cliton and his lies, meaning of "is" "is"???? Morally bankrupt.
Bama's waste of money on vactions and plane rides, clintons haircut, that wife of bama and her food nazi ways.

RGB: The Junior bush took over 2 1/2 years vacation over the span of his 8 years in office. (487 days at Camp David and another 490 at his ranch.
In the first year in office:
Carter took 19 days
Reagan took 42 days
HW Bush took 40 days
Clinton took 21 days
GW bush took 69 days
(Bush made 25 trips — a total of 78 days — to Camp David in 2001.)
Obama took 26 days
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/president...s-vacation-days/

JP: Okay, again the Dollar cost to taxpayers for all his family!


5-JP: More freedoms have been eroded or removed under this guy than when Lincoln and Bush broke the Posse Comitatus.

RGB: "The Act, § 15 of the appropriations bill for the Army for 1879, found at 20 Stat. 152, was a response to, and subsequent prohibition of, the military occupation by U.S. Army troops of the former Confederate States during the ten years of Reconstruction (1867–1877) following the American Civil War (1861–1865). The U.S. withdrew federal troops from Southern states as a result of a compromise in one of the most disputed national elections in American history, the 1876 U.S. presidential election. Samuel J. Tilden of New York, the Democratic candidate, defeated Republican candidate Rutherford B. Hayes of Ohio in the popular vote. Tilden garnered 184 electoral votes to Hayes' 165; 20 disputed electoral votes remained uncounted. After a bitter fight, Congress struck a deal resolving the dispute and awarding the presidency to Hayes."


Lincoln could not have possibly "broke" the Posse Comitatus as he
had been dead for 14 years before its enactment.

JP: True! but it is attached to his administration. "The law, was championed by far-sighted Southern lawmakers in 1878. They had experienced a fifteen year military occupation by the US Army in post-Civil War law enforcement. They understood the heel of a jackboot."

Has not obama attached things to Bush's administartion since he left office?

6-JP: Health care is till a mess, brags about how many people have had to sign up for food stamps.

RGB: I don't recall the bragging. Could you please cite a resource?

JP: Judicial Watch:

"In its quest to promote taxpayer-funded entitlement programs, the Obama Administration has actually rewarded one state with a $5 million bonus for its efficiency in adding food-stamp recipients to already bulging rolls.
It’s part of the administration’s campaign to eradicate “food insecure households” by improving access and increasing participation in the government’s Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP). Incidentally, the program was recently changed to SNAP to eliminate the stigma that comes with a name like food stamps. Just a few months ago the federal agency that administers the program, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), launched a multi-million-dollar initiative to recruit more food-stamp participants even though the number of recipients has skyrocketed in the last few years"

I'd call a bonus bragging. Should it not be the other way around. A bouns for getting people off welfare?


7-JP: I know President Reagan made mistakes and I admit the new tax write offs he enacted were bad (removed interest on Credit cards and others to move it to house interest as one of the only thing you can write off). Unlike the cool aid drinking libs.

RGB: I believe the proper spelling is Kool-Aid.

JP: Wow...is that the best you can do with that! But you are correct!

8-JP: I can call any bad act just that. President reagan signed a compact with the vatican I disagreed with...but he did much more good than evil like bama. You tell a tree hugging liberal that a broken leg whould hurt they would say prove it, but I don't need my leg broke to know it would hurt. But when some one does not buy into a liberals diatribe they cry 'foul", "hate speech", "you want dirty air and water", "that's racist", or "prove it".

RGB: That's a broad brush you're painting with. I (an unabashed Liberal), don't require, request or acquiesce to you putting words in my mouth. I do quite well on my own, thank you.

JP: WHAT!!! It is true, I do not have to put words in your mouth.

9-JP: The proof is where we are today as a Nation; bankrupt: morally and fiscally. Unless you do not know your history this Great Country's Laws are based on that Bible your bashing. (I am not a ron paul fan...do not really like the guy) Almost every one of our founding fathers wrote many papers that stated their faith in the Almighty God of Heaven, not ali or buda.

RGB: Ali was a former Heavyweight Champion of the World. I don't have a clue as to "buda." I don't recall bashing the Bible. More than likely, because it has not occured.

JP: As President Reagan said so well, "There You go again!" I think you know of what I speak. alah and budda. You called Ron Paul a Bible thumper which equates to bashing the Bible by attaching to a man in this manner, refer to my previous post on your demeanor in posts.

10-JP: Especially George Washington. Why do you think there is prayer before congress opens or those pesky 10 commandments on almost every courtroom across this country? But you like the Constitution don't you...oh except for that pesky 2nd. one...the one that kept the Japeneses from invading our shores in WWII and keeps bama from total power and keeps chaos from the streets. You tell me.

RGB: Yet again, you assume to be privy to my thoughts and political philosophies. Do you have any notion of how arrogant, base and adolescent that habit is?

JP: Yes, I do be the evidence you provide in your posts; esp.the sign in the OP. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck; it is a duck!

11-JP: WHAT HAS THAT SOCIALIST, obama, REALLY DONE FOR OUR COUNTRY THAT IS GOOD AND IN LINE WITH THE CONSTITUTION!!!

RGB: Restored adult behavior to the position of POTUS.

JP: Oh yeah, like lying and breaking promises.

Posted by: ISLP55 Jun 23 2012, 07:28 AM

QUOTE(RGBII @ Jun 23 2012, 06:36 AM)
Mr. Perry,

You were not singled out for your viewpoints. You were
warned for a guideline violation, nothing more, nothing less.

I take you at your word that it will not happen again and
your apology is more than appreciated.

Collect Hard!,
RGBII

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I do not believe you or at least your motives in this regard. The fact remains, you should have had another moderator take the lead in warning me. Nor do I need your belief in my word, it was not given to you but to the instution of this site and the rules I agreed to back when it was formed. As to our disagreements concerning this administration you have your beliefs and I have mine.

Posted by: aceecards Jun 23 2012, 07:45 AM

QUOTE(RGBII @ Jun 22 2012, 08:17 PM)
Rick Santorum?

You have got to be kidding me.'

A Bible-Thumping Freak in the Oval Office? Yeah, that'll
work real well.

Please think through your responses here, as I would
prefer intellectual responses as opposed to emotional
drivel in this thread.

One can still "Hope", can't one?

Collect Hard!,
RGBII

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If you want to believe catch phrases like Hopey , dopey then thats fine.


Posted by: aceecards Jun 23 2012, 08:12 AM

Islp55,

There is one thing Ive learned about Richard, you cannot win this argument, at best it will just be hurt feelings and resentment and there is no place for either in our adult world when discussing politics or history.

Think Jane Curtain and Bill Murray in the early years of Saturday Night Live and How it would boil down to Bill uttering that memorable line ..Jane you misunderstanding..!

Name calling at its finest, even if it was in jest.

Somehow , someway, Richard has become rooted in his political thinking just as you and I have become immovable on the other side of the fence that separates this property. Two very distinct trees, that are polar opposites, residing in the same space.

We can clobber each other, argue, name call, threaten, leave, flame, and whatever else you want to call this banter , all to no avail.. He will never convince you that he is a right and Vice Versa.

For every Ying , a Yang.

I for one will bash the current reigning Monarch wannabe as much as I want , as often as I want. Richard can write 50,000 eloquent words of wisdom, copyright it, chain it to my front door and it doesnt change my opinion of slo-bama one IOTA.

I can debate history until Im purple , all the way back to Adam and Eve if you like and Richard could present revisionist history in four part harmony and feeling and it doesnt change what I know or what he knows. Its all in the perspective and the opinions that were formed during our youth.

I was raised "Root Hog or Die" get in there and feed with the pigs or you dont get any and you starve and die. Depend on no one but yourself. There is no fallback safety net. The government NEED NOT be involved in my life. Taxes are the only certain thing besides Death! Be charitable and treat others like you wish to be treated. Be Moral.

To quote one of the souths great rockers, be a simple kind of man!

Im sure liberal loving people have a similar story about being in a private pig pen, lazing on couches with all you can eat buffets at their beck and call.. but thats a story for them to tell. I wasnt born with that Silver spoon!

So please have fun with politcial arguments, slander and bash our incompetent leaders as much as you want, but DO NOT take offense with the tree across the fence when he presents his version.

Posted by: RGBII Jun 23 2012, 08:27 AM

Well put, Mr. Emerick, very well put!

Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: aceecards Jun 23 2012, 08:37 AM

QUOTE(RGBII @ Jun 23 2012, 08:27 AM)
Well put, Mr. Emerick, very well put!

Collect Hard!,
RGBII

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I think we should stay focused on bashing the incompetence of all our elected officials or soon to be elected officials instead of each other!

Posted by: ffman Jun 23 2012, 11:42 AM

QUOTE(aceecards @ Jun 22 2012, 05:53 PM)
some more of my faves..LOL

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and my all time personal fave
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The top one really doesn't work anymore - gas is down around $3.00 a gallon now. It was higher towards the end of Bush's presidency than it was anytime during Obama's.

Posted by: redwing40 Jun 23 2012, 01:18 PM

QUOTE(RGBII @ Jun 23 2012, 09:27 AM)
Well put, Mr. Emerick, very well put!


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Very well put indeed Steve, thats why I dont talk about it! laugh.gif wink.gif

Posted by: ISLP55 Jun 23 2012, 01:34 PM

The gas price one does not work any more...UNTIL the election is over. Like in years past. Usually it is the liberals crying "foul" stating it is only a election time ploy by the republican's to garner votes. I think both parties use gas prices as a club to beat American over the head. We need to do away with the EPA and the DEQ; remove the road blocks and start to build many oil refineries and drill everywhere. I remember the days when I would ride the big pumps where my grandfather worked. There is the key word, "Worked"---America had jobs!

Posted by: ISLP55 Jun 23 2012, 02:04 PM

QUOTE(redwing40 @ Jun 23 2012, 01:18 PM)
Very well put indeed Steve, thats why I dont talk about it!  laugh.gif  wink.gif
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There in lies part of the problem. The old adage, it is a recession until you lose your job,then it is a depression, or this one, I did nothing when they gourd my neighbors ox and then they came to gore mine and there was no one left to help me.

Liberals cry and use hatful verbiage such as calling us "raciest", so we back down and concede. They march and we back off. We want less regulation and they claim we want dirty water and air; so we back off not wanting to be seen in this light. The only way to stop a bully is to show them their own blood. We stopped water boarding to get vital intel because some whiny liberal thought it cruel; I say whatever it takes and at all costs to save innocent lives. Our own boys get water boarded to know the effects before they apply it to others. I am not pro destruction of the environment or the inhumane treatment of other human beings without just cause, but I am an America first guy. Let the other guy die for his cause. It has always cost the blood of a few so we may have the freedom to type words like these from the comfort of our homes. I will oppose the ideas like Richards to the last breath, but I will fight to the death for his right to say them. That is the difference between us and them...they do not want us to have this freedom (maybe not Richard per say) but the liberal ideology at its base does not like opposing views and does use any means it can to get good people to back off. I have faced death on behalf of others more than once...the just for the just...let the bad guy die when they attempt to destroy a life of an innocent in any way.

Posted by: ffman Jun 23 2012, 02:14 PM

QUOTE(ISLP55 @ Jun 23 2012, 12:34 PM)
The gas price one does not work any more...UNTIL the election is over. Like in years past.  Usually it is the liberals crying "foul" stating it is only a election time ploy by the republican's to garner votes.  I think both parties use gas prices as a club to beat American over the head. We need to do away with the EPA and the DEQ; remove the road blocks and start to build many oil refineries and drill everywhere. I remember the days when I would ride the big pumps where my grandfather worked. There is the key word, "Worked"---America had jobs!
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The sitting president has little to do with current gas prices. It fluctuates constantly.

Gas is lower today than I can remember it being in a long time - and it's not because of Obama or Bush. Nor was the high gas prices last year or in the summer of 2008 Obama's or Bush's fault.

But, if it's high - the other party likes to point it out and place blame (see Steve's image above).

Posted by: redwing40 Jun 23 2012, 02:43 PM

QUOTE(ISLP55 @ Jun 23 2012, 03:04 PM)
There in lies part of the problem. The old adage, it is a recession until you lose your job,then it is a depression, or this one, I did nothing when they gourd my neighbors ox and then they came to gore mine and there was no one left to help me.

Liberals cry and use hatful verbiage such as calling us "raciest", so we back down and concede. They march and we back off. We want less regulation and they claim we want dirty water and air; so we back off not wanting to be seen in this light. The only way to stop a bully is to show them their own blood. We stopped water boarding to get vital intel because some whiny liberal thought it cruel; I say whatever it takes and at all costs to save innocent lives. Our own boys get water boarded to know the effects before they apply it to others.  I am not pro destruction of the environment or the inhumane treatment of other human beings without just cause, but I am an America first guy. Let the other guy die for his cause. It has always cost  the blood of a few so we may have the freedom to type words like these from the comfort of our homes. I will oppose the ideas like Richards to the last breath, but I will fight to the death for his right to say them. That is the difference between us and them...they do not want us to have this freedom (maybe not Richard per say) but the liberal ideology at its base does not like opposing views and does use any means it can to get good people to back off. I have faced death on behalf of others more than once...the just for the just...let the bad guy die when they attempt to destroy a life of an innocent in any way.
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I understand, maybe I like your view's on what your saying, but wouldnt talk about it here on a Sports card site, and I'm not taking side's with no one, I liked Bush jr. made a couple of bad choices, but neither the less, he did his best, just like Obama, I dont think any President that is elected will fix the mess we are in! it will take at least a decade to fix things!

Gas Price's, I say Drill, Drill, Drill in the United State's, I have to deal with DEQ at work, alomost killed my job with high fines when they came to my shop! Lighten up, the world will not end next week, try billions of years from now! The States have plenty Oil in Alaska!

Food stamps, went 16yrs not getting it, and I went and applied for it, $48 dollars a month they offered, lol! What can I buy with that! I did get health care for my kids, which I had paid for myself when they were born till this year when my work took that away! I wont take from the Goverment that I dont need, get a second job, cut grass or something, lazy people looking for a free hand out while they sit and do nothing but wait for the mailman each month!

I will stop at this, like I said I dont like talking about it, so many things and different views that will be said that will come down to a big fight between everyone, what we dont need is a civil war on our hands! laugh.gif

Posted by: ISLP55 Jun 23 2012, 02:49 PM

Steve, I am not out to change Richard,I am out to let him know I am out here. I do not hold any ill feeling toward him on a base human level. However I took it personal, that he, while having a dog in the fight, took it upon himself to use his position and apply the letter of agreement of this site to further his position is this tit for tat political argument . I once started an investigation into my partners actions under suspicion of a criminal matter, once I had hard evidence my hunch was correct, I turned the case over to someone else as competent as myself with the same authority. The end result was the same, jail for them; I could have done the same job and could have put my name on the paper work and got the arrest, but I let someone else, that did not have a personal attachment to the individual, work the case to remove any assumed partiality or vendetta.
I appreciate the advice Steve and we have been on this site for a very long time, but I was careful, I think, to not directly use Richards name when retorting his liberal ideology. Like as to a Senator on the floor...he imply's toward a certain member without actually using the other Senators name; the IMPLIED is understood but the letter of decorum not broke, but the spirit of decorum understands. People like the rules as long as they long as they can use them to further themselves. I believe the spirit of laws and rules are sometimes more important for they demand more wisdom and intelligence than does the letter. Any idiot can use the letter of the law, but it takes men with honor and wisdom to apply the spirit of a law. The letter demands justice be served but the spirit allows for grace. e.g. when I wrote :ali and buda"; the letter was used to call me on it, while the spirit would have understood who I was speaking of and that I was degrading those two ideologies. For the sake of the letter I will explain: If my spelling throughout the post was wrong or my thoughts were unclear, then I could see the spirit of what I did being misunderstood---but the letter must be applied by, as he stated, the "unabashed liberal" to try to make me look like I did not know what I was doing. I do not care to much for Ali either Richard.

Posted by: ISLP55 Jun 23 2012, 02:59 PM

QUOTE(ffman @ Jun 23 2012, 02:14 PM)
The sitting president has little to do with current gas prices.  It fluctuates constantly. 

Gas is lower today than I can remember it being in a long time - and it's not because of Obama or Bush.  Nor was the high gas prices last year or in the summer of 2008 Obama's or Bush's fault.

But, if it's high - the other party likes to point it out and place blame (see Steve's image above).
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I agree to a point...directly they have no power. Go back if you can find it at the trends of gas prices in election years. I believe you will see a pattern. Nothing about gas price is a coincidence. IMO

Redwing...I am glad we have a place like this, even if it is on a sportscard site. That is the best of America...is it not? thanks, glad to know your out there.

Posted by: aceecards Jun 24 2012, 08:51 AM

politics are a weird subject, everyone seems to have their opinion and protects it more so than their wordly possessions!

myself, I find it fun to bash especially when it is a stupid idea and adversely affects us all. There are other times when things make sense, maybe not for the one but for the whole.

its all set in the interpretations We make about government. My interpretation is govenrment is a huge waste of money, its one of the oldest business in the world, like religion and prostitution, that prey on humans fears or needs for companionship.

I personally could do without all three.

They cost me a huge sum of money, gratification, if any, is for a fleeting glimpse, and the promises are usually empty or I have to wait until im gone to reap the rewards. laugh.gif

Posted by: RGBII Jun 24 2012, 06:47 PM

Please, Mr. Perry, do not assume my motives. You have
no idea(s) about my character or lack thereof.

Cussing is a sore point with me, I loathe it. It is an affront to
communication. It doesn't even add emphasis to ones
conversation or dialogue these days. I will support and enforce
its prohibition on this site.

You were called out due to the implied profanity, as I stated
earlier. My political leanings are another matter altogether. They
are no more or less relevant than your own. I completely understand
and acknowledge that you are "on your post and vigilant" in your beliefs/philosophies. Good for you, you have earned my sincere
respect for that principled stand.

If you feel that I abused my "authority" in any way, I apologize,
as it was not my intent. I take a great deal of pride in my writing,
nonetheless, it has been misinterpreted before and I have no
doubts that it will happen again.

That stated, know this for a fact, I will attack, design, print and
distribute creative, thoughtful and scathing responses to filth like
this . . .

http://youtu.be/S38VioxnBaI

Today, tomorrow and always!

Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: ISLP55 Jun 24 2012, 11:19 PM

Richard,
What I am fixing to say is for you and has nothing to do with the rules of this board and the policy of writing certain words. That said so as not to receive back any thing about you (Richard) saying you were talking about the rules. I understand them.
The context of what you call cursing or implied thereof, was not cursing per say. The context was such, I was calling carter a "donkey" and yes, there in lies a derogatory meaning based on usage. If you are as up on the use of language in context, as you seem, you would understand that I was not using it to call carter the gluteus maximus, but a donkey. I guess if I would not have blocked the two "S's" it would seem more likely that I was talking about a donkey, I did it out of habit more than anything. I think, do to, the subject matter and your politically leanings, you misinterpreted my meaning. You said,"I take a great deal of pride in my writing, nonetheless, it has been misinterpreted before and I have no doubts that it will happen again." I did not place an adjective in the sentence because I could not find an alternative word to express my thought, the word was part of my thought.
If you (not this forum) are offended by the word I wrote; Pray tell, why are you going to Tampa to be in a crowd of people where I am sure that your ears and eyes will be loaded with fowl verbiage? If you limiting your offense to this forum only, okay. I have no problem with you on this board Richard. But as a man of 50 and years of dealing with people in many walks of life, your track record speaks louder than your underlined words both politically and the choice to take the lead in dealing with the breaking of a rule. I am not angered, nor do I have an animosity toward you. I still question your decision to call me out on a post you started and one in which you have a vested interest. I am sure if we met on the street we could sit and drink a cup of coffee and you would find I am the same in person as I am on these boards. I do not a**ume your motives or your character...Your words and thoughts speak to that as do mine. I do judge people by their words, actions and the tone of their writings (in person I judge the inflection of words and body language).

As to the slide show: I did not find it as advertised.
I thought most were Funny as the ones made of Bush. Some I thought were in poor taste and poorly made. Some where funny, truthful and well made. I am not offended by any of these or the ones equal to these your side makes attacking my beliefs.

"That stated, know this for a fact, that I will attack, design, print and distribute creative, thoughtful and scathing responses to filth like this . . ."

Wow, I'd say that's a problem---ATTACK!!! FILTH!!! You need to look at your side's signs a bit more without the rose colored glasses.

I do not get offended by signs, but by action.
Hilter did not burn cardboard...he burned HUMANE BEINGS that's hate!!!

I never worried about the guy I was arresting calling me kkk, telling me to pro create with myself, calling my wife a lady of the night, that he was going to kill me or other such verbiage. I worried about a knife, gun, or his fist, feet, head and teeth. I never went to the hospital over words, but I did many times from fist, feet, head and teeth (was blessed to never have a true weapon used on me, like some of my partners). I even believe in the right for this scum them to say those things, even though they saying them about me and mine. It's called the 1st Amendment. (Your guy flint helped that one out, remember?) Your side and my side are not physically harming anyone with there signs. SO WHAT!!! Both sides spew hate and act racist... my track record shows I do neither. I do hate the actions of obama and his socialist policies destroying this Great Country, but that is different than hating the man.

Why the picture of my flag, the Battle Flag of the South. I have one on my helmet, along with an American flag.(I hate wearing a helmet, one of the stupid laws) A lot of homes in my area have the US flag on poles in their front yards and beside it at on a slightly lower standard the Battle flag of the South. Anti christ, I don't think so...obama's not the right race, color, religion, not of the linage of David, he was not born in Bethlehem...Plus some other things.

JP





Posted by: RGBII Jun 28 2012, 04:47 PM

This one seemed like a great idea at inception . . .

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graphic flag melds with actual photo as a full bleed
background, it ain't workin' for me. I'll have to take
an actual photgraph of an American flag and play in
Photoshop for several hours to get this one righteous.

Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: mjda Jun 28 2012, 05:28 PM

Yeah, to every other country that is going to end up loaning us the money to pay for this Obamacare that we can't afford!!

Posted by: RGBII Jun 28 2012, 05:35 PM

QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 28 2012, 06:28 PM)
Yeah, to every other country that is going to end up loaning us the money to pay for this Obamacare that we can't afford!!
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I am officially a prognosticator now.

I called that commentary at 10:08 a.m. EST today, imagine that!

Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: mjda Jun 28 2012, 05:48 PM

QUOTE(RGBII @ Jun 28 2012, 05:35 PM)
I am officially a prognosticator now.

I called that commentary at 10:08 a.m. EST today, imagine that!


You and everyone else in this country. It's not hard to prognosticate when you're dealing with fact.

Posted by: RGBII Jun 28 2012, 07:21 PM

QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 28 2012, 06:28 PM)
Yeah, to every other country that is going to end up loaning us the money to pay for this Obamacare that we can't afford!!
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By the way, the correct terminology is . . .

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA).

Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: mjda Jun 28 2012, 08:48 PM

QUOTE(RGBII @ Jun 28 2012, 07:21 PM)
By the way, the correct terminology is . . .

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA).


Obviously Obamacare works too. You knew what I was talking about. wink.gif

Either way, if this country is as smart as I think they are we won't have to worry about it because the Repubs will win the Presidency, take over the Senate, keep the House, and repeal it.

Posted by: ISLP55 Jun 29 2012, 12:29 AM

QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 28 2012, 08:48 PM)
Obviously Obamacare works too. You knew what I was talking about. wink.gif

Either way, if this country is as smart as I think they are we won't have to worry about it because the Repubs will win the Presidency, take over the Senate, keep the House, and repeal it.
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SO true...when a polititian (either side) thinks something is "good" they do not mind calling it by another name, i.e. obamercare, Bush Tax Cuts, etc... But when it turns to bite them in the "gluteus maximus", they want it called by the real name so as to distance themselves.

Richard you are correct, it has been sold by every administration in the past 23 years; but even more so the last 3 years.

Posted by: Zimbow Jun 29 2012, 04:29 AM

QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 28 2012, 05:28 PM)
Yeah, to every other country that is going to end up loaning us the money to pay for this Obamacare that we can't afford!!
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I can't wait to pay into the tax!

Anyways, lately I've began to take somewhat of a notice, I wouldn't call it an interest, in politics. I usually stay outside the glass and try to look into it and see the inside. Watched both candidates give their speeches and lectures or what not. Only 1 thing comes to mind when they mention Obama and Romney.

"Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss"

~Courtesy of The Who

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Posted by: Ilovetheheat Jun 29 2012, 08:21 AM

QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 28 2012, 06:28 PM)
Yeah, to every other country that is going to end up loaning us the money to pay for this Obamacare that we can't afford!!
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Mike, you know I love ya but every time I hear someone spew fallacies about the PPACA I lose a little hope in American people. We cannot be as dumb as other countries think we are.

According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office the deficit will be reduced by $210 billion over 10 years and there are $808 billion in tax credits to low-income and middle-class families to help them afford health insurance over the next 11 years.

This so called tax will only affect higher incomes and doesnt even fully come into action until 2016. And no one mentions the exemptions for low-income people and families.

The Penalty/Tax does not apply to:
-Individuals who cannot afford coverage
-Taxpayers with income below filing threshold
-Other Hardships

Romney is a hypocrite of the worst kind because the PPACA is based off of his blueprint as a senator in Massachusetts. The economy of Massachusetts is one of the strongest in the nation and they love their healthcare. The fact he is against the PPACA is mind boggling and truthfully IMHO the turning point in his campaign. I like to believe that the American people cannot be that stupid and see straight through him. I believe he shot himself in the foot and I cannot wait until for the debates.

Instead of listening to all these talking points from the left and right people need to research and fact check anything you hear.



QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 28 2012, 09:48 PM)
Either way, if this country is as smart as I think they are we won't have to worry about it because the Repubs will win the Presidency, take over the Senate, keep the House, and repeal it.
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Romney wont win. He just shot himself in the foot by making PPACA is focus point for his campaign. He's out of touch with reality, the average person and BLATANTLY spews lies. They had the audacity to call president Obama an Elitist.... Romney makes him look like a peasant. Even the people on the right admit he's horrible. And lets not forget the American people arent ready for a Mormon president... It will never happen brother. wink.gif It will never happen. tongue.gif

Posted by: mjda Jun 29 2012, 09:42 AM

QUOTE(Ilovetheheat @ Jun 29 2012, 08:21 AM)
According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office the deficit will be reduced by $210 billion over 10 years and there are $808 billion in tax credits to low-income and middle-class families to help them afford health insurance over the next 11 years.


Quoting numbers by the left leaning, partisan, CBO won't get you anywhere with me or probably anyone else.

According to Charles Blahous, who was appointed by Obama and oversees the finances for Social Security and Medicare, those numbers are completely skewed by the federal government's (poor) accounting practices and that Obamacare will actually increase the deficit by $346 billion from 2012-2021, which is his "optimistic" estimate.

http://mercatus.org/publication/fiscal-consequences-affordable-care-act

QUOTE
The Penalty/Tax does not apply to:
-Individuals who cannot afford coverage


Who determines who can, and can't, afford health care? Can I just send a letter in to the government and let them know that I can't afford it? My guess: probably not.

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BLATANTLY spews lies.


You mean like emphatically telling all of America that Obamacare isn't a tax, only to turn it into exactly that?

Posted by: Ilovetheheat Jun 29 2012, 10:18 AM

QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 29 2012, 10:42 AM)
Quoting numbers by the left leaning, partisan, CBO won't get you anywhere with me or probably anyone else.

So you'll listen to Charles Blahous over the CBO?
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QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 29 2012, 10:42 AM)
Quoting numbers by the left leaning, partisan, CBO won't get you anywhere with me or probably anyone else.

According to Charles Blahous, who was appointed by Obama and oversees the finances for Social Security and Medicare, those numbers are completely skewed by the federal government's (poor) accounting practices and that Obamacare will actually increase the deficit by $346 billion from 2012-2021, which is his "optimistic" estimate.

http://mercatus.org/publication/fiscal-consequences-affordable-care-act

Brother, Blahous was a George W. Bush economic policy adviser. wink.gif Secondly, read his report from beginning to end... You cant pick and choose where to apply his logic and reasoning...

By Blahous’s accounting, debt as a percentage of GDP would drop to almost zero by 2050. That’s essentially equivalent to the drop predicted by Paul Ryan’s latest “Path to Prosperity” budget. If Blahous’s accounting framework is accurate, there is no long-term debt problem and thus no need for the GOP’s 2013 budget proposal.

To prove his report is nonsense Rep. Ryan and his republican cronies didnt even use Blahous's baseline in their own budget plans. No one took his report serious, not even his peers. That report was bogus. It’s really not even saying anything in particular about the Affordable Care Act. It’s saying that the baseline we use to assess all legislation — from Obamacare to Paul Ryan’s budget — is wrong. And it’s saying that we actually don’t have a deficit problem at all.

Plenty of health care reform skeptics are praising Blahous's study. But no right wing politicians are using his baseline, so that should tell you its not factual. If it was, they'd be using it and quoting from it.

The fact is, the CBO has determined that a repeal would increase the deficit by $147 billion. Brother this worm hole gets DEEP.

The center where Blahous works was partly founded by none other than Charles Koch and he's still a board member there. Koch and his brother have personally donated over $40 million and helped raise over $100 million to defeat President Obama. The founder of the center where Blahous works use to head the Koch Industries lobbyist operations in D.C and he's the current president of the Koch charitable foundation. Everyone knows who the Koch brothers are and the power they hold.... No one takes that report serious.

Mike, this political wormhole is deep brother......


QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 29 2012, 10:42 AM)
Who determines who can, and can't, afford health care? Can I just send a letter in to the government and let them know that I can't afford it? My guess: probably not.
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Ummmm. How about your IRS tax returns... wink.gif



QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 29 2012, 10:42 AM)
You mean like emphatically telling all of America that Obamacare isn't a tax, only to turn it into exactly that?
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Tax, penalty, whatever Mike... I wont get in into word playing but the fact of the matter is this so called tax wouldnt apply to the average American.... Unless you're rich of course and hiding it from all of us. tongue.gif

In fact it helps us.... cool.gif

Posted by: mjda Jun 29 2012, 01:41 PM

To be quite honest, Jeremy, I find it extremely difficult to believe what anyone has to say on the matter because it's all just speculation. Nobody REALLY knows what this bill is going to do to our deficit and our already out of control debt problem. I know one thing is for sure, though, "giving" healthcare to millions more Americans is going to cost a LOT of money, and I don't believe it is the rich's responsibility to take care of us. They didn't become successful playing Robin Hood games.

QUOTE(Ilovetheheat @ Jun 29 2012, 10:18 AM)
Ummmm. How about your IRS tax returns... wink.gif


I'm still unsure how a tax return can adequately determine who can, and can't, afford health care. Will they draw a line at a specific dollar number? If that number is $20,000/year, what if someone makes $20,001/year. How is someone who makes $1/year any more able to pay for Obamacare? Is that all it's going to cost, is $1/year?

QUOTE(Ilovetheheat)
Tax, penalty, whatever Mike... I wont get in into word playing but the fact of the matter is this so called tax wouldnt apply to the average American.... Unless you're rich of course and hiding it from all of us.  tongue.gif


Yes, according to the numbers in place now, if they don't change (which I find highly unlikely), I will not have to pay the tax. However, that still doesn't make me think it's right.

QUOTE(Ilovetheheat)
In fact it helps us....  cool.gif


I never asked for help, especially not from the government. I was raised to believe that if I wanted something, I would just have to work my tail off for it. I've never had, nor have I ever wanted, anything given to me as if I "deserve" it for some fairytale reason.

Furthermore, if I wanted to live in a socialist country I'd simply pack my things up and move to one.

Posted by: ISLP55 Jun 30 2012, 09:36 PM

Good Debate. I have one Question;

When has ANY budget projection by CBO, Prez, Repubs, Demos, since the inception of the lie called social security or welfare EVER come in right on or below estimate?


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