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Collector Zone _ Suggestion Box _ Penny Sleeves

Posted by: facemuscles May 14 2010, 10:01 AM

I don't know why I even have to post this, not that I have to, but people are so lazy nowadays that they have been shipping in toploaders with no penny sleeves. Ok, this does 2 things: 1) Upset me due to the senders laziness. It's a penny. 2) In transit, the card is not carried by a white gloved letter carrier who slowly walks across country to personally deliver your package. It's put through sorters and smashed in bins and all kinds of dumb stuff. The card slides and bounces in the toploader during transit. The bottom 2 corners, and sometimes the top 2, are relentlessly damaged and sometimes tape glue gets stuck to the card. SO, spend a cent and keep your receivers happy. Spend a cent and protect the items that we all cherish so much. Spend a cent and save yourself the neutral or negative feedback. This is not rocket science, it's a hobby. Take a second and get your junk together before you trade/sell your cards. Oh, and don't wait a week to send out either. That junk sucks too. cool.gif

Posted by: edgerrin32 May 14 2010, 10:05 AM

I second this!! thumbsup.gif

Posted by: cardcrazed May 14 2010, 12:00 PM

amen!

Justin

Posted by: NGWH Sports Cards May 14 2010, 12:27 PM

Totally agree.

Posted by: captkirk42 May 14 2010, 03:06 PM

Agree it is maddening to open a package to find a card in a toploader with no penny sleeve. Fortunately I have have very few instances of damaged cards from this unsafe practice. Damage from tape, however is a different story.

I think this problem is more so from Ebay sellers who somehow got a hold of some trading cards to sell and know nothing of the hobby, and of other sellers like some at sportlots, who just don't care because they are sending low valued common cards.

Everybody should adapt the Golden Rule to sending cards. "Send cards safely onto others as you would have them send safely onto you"

Posted by: facemuscles May 14 2010, 03:21 PM

This has happened with traders on TCC also. That's why I posted it here. I have had 3 cards, in the last 2 weeks, from both TCC and Ebay sent in a toploader with no penny sleeve and the one from Ebay was sent PWE with a shipping value of $3.95. All 3 cards had soft corners on the two bottom corner and one had tape on the top. One had no tape on it and slid out and had some light damage to the top. It's stupid because I treasure cards in general and I don't want to see any damaged for no reason. It's like damaging a Picasso even if it's a lower end card. The companies are trying to give us cool stuff to look at. Plus, I don't want to waste my time getting damaged cards or having to send them back. It's a hassle that can be avoided for 1 cent. cool.gif


QUOTE(captkirk42 @ May 14 2010, 03:06 PM)
Agree it is maddening to open a package to find a card in a toploader with no penny sleeve. Fortunately I have have very few instances of damaged cards from this unsafe practice. Damage from tape, however is a different story.

I think this problem is more so from Ebay sellers who somehow got a hold of some trading cards to sell and know nothing of the hobby, and of other sellers like some at sportlots, who just don't care because they are sending low valued common cards.

Everybody should adapt the Golden Rule to sending cards. "Send cards safely onto others as you would have them send safely onto you"
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Posted by: ronaldinho0003 May 14 2010, 06:26 PM

Great post.
A rule everyone in the hobby should abide by.

Posted by: joe31 May 14 2010, 06:36 PM

Great post. A few months ago I bought 3 packs or 100 to use for all the cards I ship out.

Posted by: 2000 rushing yards May 15 2010, 12:19 PM

amen clapping.gif

Posted by: edgerrin32 May 15 2010, 12:27 PM

$1 for a pack of a 100, or a failed transaction (TCC) or neg feedback (eBay) and a item damaged and a full refund (paypal)? Seems like I would take option #1!

Posted by: facemuscles May 15 2010, 02:00 PM

I heard that, Jason. Most of us have our cards in toploaders with penny sleeves. If you don't have extra, use one off a lower end card of yours. It's not worth the negative implications.

QUOTE(edgerrin32 @ May 15 2010, 12:27 PM)
$1 for a pack of a 100, or a failed transaction (TCC) or neg feedback (eBay) and a item damaged and a full refund (paypal)? Seems like I would take option #1!
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Posted by: jer123pat123 Jun 20 2010, 01:58 PM







great post

Posted by: edgerrin32 Jun 20 2010, 02:27 PM

So has this practice got in better?

Posted by: facemuscles Jun 20 2010, 04:09 PM

I haven't had any problems since I posted this, so I guess so. We'll see in the upcoming months though. cool.gif

Posted by: Beavers98 Jun 20 2010, 04:15 PM

Yes penny sleeves and send out on time..... smile.gif

Posted by: vitalejd Aug 12 2010, 02:21 PM

I just received a card from a seller on ebay with NO toploader and NO penny sleeve in a PWE. It was just inside a folded piece of paper. Luckily, there was no damage to the card. Though, I am not sure what to do with the feedback now since the card was not damaged despite the extremely poor packaging.

Posted by: ronaldinho0003 Aug 12 2010, 02:23 PM

QUOTE(vitalejd @ Aug 12 2010, 03:21 PM)
I just received a card from a seller on ebay with NO toploader and NO penny sleeve in a PWE. It was just inside a folded piece of paper. Luckily, there was no damage to the card. Though, I am not sure what to do with the feedback now since the card was not damaged despite the extremely poor packaging.
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Wow! Was Do Not Bend or Fragile stamped on the front of the package?

Posted by: vitalejd Aug 12 2010, 02:29 PM

QUOTE(ronaldinho0003 @ Aug 12 2010, 02:23 PM)
Wow! Was Do Not Bend or Fragile stamped on the front of the package?
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Nope...just a PWE with a 44c stamp on it.

And the card looks to be in nearly pristine condition too. Would had been a shame if it was damaged. I think I got lucky on this one.

Posted by: urbanmonk Aug 12 2010, 03:28 PM

QUOTE(vitalejd @ Aug 12 2010, 12:29 PM)
Nope...just a PWE with a 44c stamp on it.

And the card looks to be in nearly pristine condition too. Would had been a shame if it was damaged. I think I got lucky on this one.
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How much did they charge for shipping? Can leave feedback for that or for not using protective packaging unless it was stated it would ship in a PWE.

Posted by: vitalejd Aug 12 2010, 04:03 PM

QUOTE(urbanmonk @ Aug 12 2010, 03:28 PM)
How much did they charge for shipping?  Can leave feedback for that or for not using protective packaging unless it was stated it would ship in a PWE.
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He charged 99c for shipping. That's not a lot but penny sleeves only cost one penny. It was not stated in the auction that he would ship in a PWE.

Posted by: dielonthug Aug 12 2010, 05:08 PM

QUOTE(vitalejd @ Aug 12 2010, 03:03 PM)
He charged 99c for shipping. That's not a lot but penny sleeves only cost one penny. It was not stated in the auction that he would ship in a PWE.
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neutral feedback. and send him a message or something, thats idiotic

Posted by: edgerrin32 Aug 12 2010, 05:55 PM

Its not hard to reuse bubble mailers, reuse old taped up written on top-loaders, and penny sleeves well there is a reason they have that name! I would leave a neutral! I hate leave neutral or bad feedback but something you just have to for people to get the point! PWE is fine to me if they charge me a buck for shipping and its a cheap couple dollar card, but at least use a old top-loader AND PENNY SLEEVE!!


But some people will never learn! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: mjda Aug 12 2010, 05:55 PM

Not that I'm condoning cheap/lazy shipping, but if you get a card that isn't damaged there's really no reason to complain unless you were charged excessive shipping costs. I'd like for everyone to ship my cards to me the same way that I ship out cards, but as long as they get to me without a scratch I could care less how they're shipped. As long as you get the card in the condition that you expected to get the card in, and weren't charged excessive shipping fees, it should be a great buy/sale/trade for everyone involved.

Posted by: cardcrazed Aug 12 2010, 11:55 PM

it seems lately I have been getting a lot of autos in PWE's even though they say they are going to ship in bubblemailers. To top it off they are still charging me like $3-$4 in shipping charges! Needless to say I have been leaving several neutral to negative feedbacks (I don't like to but sometimes it can't be avoided)! Sorry I had to vent a little!!!

Justin

Posted by: northicehero99 Aug 13 2010, 11:53 AM

QUOTE(mjda @ Aug 12 2010, 05:55 PM)
Not that I'm condoning cheap/lazy shipping, but if you get a card that isn't damaged there's really no reason to complain unless you were charged excessive shipping costs. I'd like for everyone to ship my cards to me the same way that I ship out cards, but as long as they get to me without a scratch I could care less how they're shipped. As long as you get the card in the condition that you expected to get the card in, and weren't charged excessive shipping fees, it should be a great buy/sale/trade for everyone involved.
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I would disagree from the standpoint that although one arrived safely, that does not make the pratice of not protecting the cards the proper way to mail. What about the others that don't? If you make people aware before this happens, it is better than afterwards IMO.

I think the best approach when trading/selling is to "send the way you want to receive".

Posted by: mjda Aug 13 2010, 12:19 PM

QUOTE(northicehero99 @ Aug 13 2010, 11:53 AM)
I would disagree from the standpoint that although one arrived safely, that does not make the pratice of not protecting the cards the proper way to mail.  What about the others that don't?  If you make people aware before this happens, it is better than afterwards IMO.

I think the best approach when trading/selling is to "send the way you want to receive".


Like I said, I'm not condoning this method of shipping, nor did I say it was the proper way. You've received enough packages from me to know that the cards I, myself, mail out are very well protected. All I'm saying is that if you receive a card from someone and the card isn't damaged there's no reason to complain about that particular transaction or leave a neutral/negative feedback unless you paid excessive shipping. If you're going to complain, complain about the shipping practice as a whole. Leaving a neutral or negative feedback for someone who got the card to you in the condition you were expecting it to get to you is, in my opinion, not right.

Posted by: urbanmonk Aug 13 2010, 01:47 PM

Being they charged .99 for shipping one could see that it might ship that way, irks me when they charge $2-3 and ship PWE. I'm wary if shipping cost is low and nothing specified on how it will be shipped, at that point I would ask a question as it's a pain to try and return something and if low cost item it cost's you almost as much as item cost to send back.

Posted by: Beavers98 Aug 13 2010, 06:34 PM

QUOTE(vitalejd @ Aug 12 2010, 02:21 PM)
I just received a card from a seller on ebay with NO toploader and NO penny sleeve in a PWE. It was just inside a folded piece of paper. Luckily, there was no damage to the card. Though, I am not sure what to do with the feedback now since the card was not damaged despite the extremely poor packaging.
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Wow you lucked out!!

Posted by: tyrodsports Aug 14 2010, 06:31 PM

It really kills me when people who sponsor box breaks here on TCC do the same thing. I wont single anyone out but on two separate occasions the same sponsor shipped all of my pulls in a team bag with no top loader or penny sleeves...grrrrrrrrrrrr. The first time was shame on him, the second time was shame on me...There wont be a third. I tried to give the guy a chance after the first time because he was relatively new to box breaks but c'mon...

Posted by: facemuscles Aug 15 2010, 10:29 PM

Yeah, it's just doodoo to get cards like this. It would just be nice if everyone shipped securely and folded the tape over so we could get the cards out and not destroy the toploaders. It's very simple and not very time consuming. I'm all for negative feedback for stupid people. Hopefully they'll learn from their mistakes. cool.gif

Posted by: Icrackwax Aug 15 2010, 10:57 PM

QUOTE(edgerrin32 @ May 15 2010, 12:27 PM)
$1 for a pack of a 100, or a failed transaction (TCC) or neg feedback (eBay) and a item damaged and a full refund (paypal)? Seems like I would take option #1!
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Dang, my shop (which I'm not a fan of. It's more of a movie/game store really, but they have a lot of packs and supply) charges $4 plus tax for a packs of penny sleeves. It's $5 to 25 toploaders! I should call them nickel sleeves. laugh.gif Anyway, I always try to send in penny sleeves (even though I might not by accident sometime). I just got my first pack of team bags so now I can stop using tape! For some reason, this is exciting to me. unsure.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: Icrackwax Aug 15 2010, 11:01 PM

QUOTE(tyrodsports @ Aug 14 2010, 06:31 PM)
It really kills me when people who sponsor box breaks here on TCC do the same thing.  I wont single anyone out but on two separate occasions the same sponsor shipped all of my pulls in a team bag with no top loader or penny sleeves...grrrrrrrrrrrr.  The first time was shame on him, the second time was shame on me...There wont be a third.  I tried to give the guy a chance after the first time because he was relatively new to box breaks but c'mon...
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Is shipping all the base in team bags okay? I did that for the break I did recently, so please feel free to tell me if you don't like it. Thanks.

Posted by: urbanmonk Aug 15 2010, 11:09 PM

QUOTE(Icrackwax @ Aug 15 2010, 08:57 PM)
Dang, my shop (which I'm not a fan of. It's more of a movie/game store really, but they have a lot of packs and supply) charges $4 plus tax for a packs of penny sleeves. It's $5 to 25 toploaders! I should call them nickel sleeves. laugh.gif  Anyway, I always try to send in penny sleeves (even though I might not by accident sometime). I just got my first pack of team bags so now I can stop using tape! For some reason, this is exciting to me. unsure.gif  biggrin.gif
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Let me know if you need sleeves as I could send them to you for less than that as I bought a case for my group breaks. Buy my toploaders that way also, but shipping on those might make it not much cheaper.

QUOTE(Icrackwax @ Aug 15 2010, 09:01 PM)
Is shipping all the base in team bags okay? I did that for the break I did recently, so please feel free to tell me if you don't like it. Thanks.
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I put those bags between ones with the toploader hits, or sandwich that in a couple of used toploaders for my breaks (hope I explained that so it makes sense), everything goes into team bags even ones in toploaders as one never knows it it will get dropped in a puddle or what.

Posted by: Icrackwax Aug 15 2010, 11:26 PM

Thanks for offering, but I'm fine. I usually order a pack of sleeves whenever I order my boxes (which is only like three-four times per year). I do the same with the toploaders. Also, thanks for the advise on the team bags. I hope to be doing another group break in the near future, so I will use that method while packing. Thanks again.

Posted by: edgerrin32 Aug 15 2010, 11:54 PM

Walmart sells penny sleeves for $0.97cents!! And they sell toploaders for like $3 bucks for 35!! So for $4 bucks you are set up for at least 10-30 transactions! As for other things as I said like 2-3 other times I think in this topic, re-use your old bubble mailers!! Its very easy! Reuse you old toploaders, team bags (doesn't matter if they seal or not) because they make tape for that! Tape is only $3 bucks at walmart and is great for re-taping those used bubble mailers!

I will write up a whole topic (with pics) or make a video on how to pack up a great package with re-used supplies and still packed 50x better than most that use new stuff!! Might be in the next day or 2 as I have about 3-4 packages going out! And PS I don't go to the post office anymore!! I use paypal shipping!! wink.gif More money and time saved! Plus if you don't have a car (I do) this is a huge one!!!!!!! wink.gif cool.gif


Also buy or trade with me once and you will see a well packaged product!! wink.gif

Posted by: Icrackwax Aug 16 2010, 02:05 AM

My Walmart does not sell toploaders and penny sleeves. That seems weird since I live 45 minutes from Walmart's headquarter, but that probably doesn't even factor into their equation when they stock the shelves. If you have a wholesale store in the area like Sams Club or Costco, you can probably find a great deal on bubble mailers there. I get a box of 25 mailers for $4.78! I don't see a need to reuse them when you can get them that cheap. If I had to buy them for $1/each at Walmart, I would probably take your advise though.

Posted by: edgerrin32 Aug 16 2010, 02:23 AM

QUOTE(Icrackwax @ Aug 16 2010, 02:05 AM)
My Walmart does not sell toploaders and penny sleeves. That seems weird since I live 45 minutes from Walmart's headquarter, but that probably doesn't even factor into their equation when they stock the shelves. If you have a wholesale store in the area like Sams Club or Costco, you can probably find a great deal on bubble mailers there. I get a box of 25 mailers for $4.78! I don't see a need to reuse them when you can get them that cheap. If I had to buy them for $1/each at Walmart, I would probably take your advise though.
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Why not re-use them? Extra trash, more junk to fill up the land fills. Same some money? Yea its only $5 bucks, but next time you wish you had $5 bucks in your pocket and you don't well? wink.gif

Posted by: urbanmonk Aug 16 2010, 02:36 AM

I cut up the bubble mailers I receive (used one) to make a pocket to put cards I'm shipping into. Kind of like double mailing it for extra protection, and those don't add much weight to package for the extra protection. I don't know about the rest of you but I have received some that look like they got ran over (stuck in their sorting machine or something). Kind of an "to each their own" as I worry about the integrity of a used mailer, and I like to prevent any problems (granted with overkill in my case wink.gif ) as when I'm receiving something I would like to get it in the same ship it was shipped in as I'm sure others would like to receive that way from me.

Posted by: facemuscles Aug 16 2010, 08:02 AM

I totally agree, Dwight. I believe I received one of your "pockets" before. If not, then I've received one from other traders and they work well. The Post Office does not care about our items. If they get here safely is one thing, but if they don't is another and neither of those is something the Post Office is too concerned with. I'm sure if you've (everyone) been sending packages a while, then you more than likely agree. It's not about overkill, but making a reasonable attempt to protect the cards. I dislike overkill as much as inadequate protection. By looking at some of these suggestions, we can all cheaply, safely and time efficiently protect the treasures that we hold so dear. It just requires someone to want to try. That's what I think most are missing when they send incorrectly. That's why I previously stated I would leave a neutral. That's why I started the thread. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions and remarks. cool.gif


QUOTE(urbanmonk @ Aug 16 2010, 02:36 AM)
I cut up the bubble mailers I receive (used one) to make a pocket to put cards I'm shipping into.  Kind of like double mailing it for extra protection, and those don't add much weight to package for the extra protection.  I don't know about the rest of you but I have received some that look like they got ran over (stuck in their sorting machine or something).  Kind of an "to each their own" as I worry about the integrity of a used mailer, and I like to prevent any problems (granted with overkill in my case wink.gif ) as when I'm receiving something I would like to get it in the same ship it was shipped in as I'm sure others would like to receive that way from me.
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Posted by: cardcrazed Aug 16 2010, 04:15 PM

QUOTE(tyrodsports @ Aug 14 2010, 06:31 PM)
It really kills me when people who sponsor box breaks here on TCC do the same thing.  I wont single anyone out but on two separate occasions the same sponsor shipped all of my pulls in a team bag with no top loader or penny sleeves...grrrrrrrrrrrr.  The first time was shame on him, the second time was shame on me...There wont be a third.  I tried to give the guy a chance after the first time because he was relatively new to box breaks but c'mon...
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a fellow TCCer...... no.gif

Justin

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