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Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 25 2008, 10:39 PM
Where all my Skins at? I know you guys are out there but I seem to be the only one standing up for them here in the Football forum!
Posted by: gigs53 Oct 25 2008, 10:41 PM
GO STEELERS!
... sorry, I just wanted to be the first post!
PS: Beat the Cowboys!
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 25 2008, 10:43 PM
... sorry, I just wanted to be the first post!
PS: Beat the Cowboys!
Lame! I'll be sure to pass the message along to J Camp and his boys....showdown next Monday night!!!
Posted by: chopinalex Oct 26 2008, 12:28 AM
haha....no potato skin fans in here!!!
Why dont you join a real fan base Gary!
Posted by: gigs53 Oct 26 2008, 12:34 AM
GEESH! I put in a little "PS: Beat the Cowboys" ... lol. That's gotta count for something, right?
Anyway, I know .... leave it to the Yankee-boy over here in Memphis to run his mouth and start some Steelers trouble ... lol. Sorry man, Steelers pride, I can't hide it!
Oh well, for what it's worth ... I know a lot of 'Skins and Cowboys fans that are on the Steelers bandwagon tomorrow.
... and as far as Monday Night goes, bring it! Our boys will be ready. Oh, and hopefully Randle El does not want to throw any passes ... we already know it's comming!
Posted by: snkpoct137 Oct 26 2008, 07:38 AM
i think the only posts that are gonna be in here are you and real nfl fans
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 26 2008, 12:45 PM
you mean me and fans of teams who couldn't even beat Michigan St
Posted by: Kiansdad Oct 26 2008, 01:28 PM
Trivia:
What is the most lopsided game in NFL history?
Answer- The 1940 NFL Championship, where the Chicago Bears beat the Washington Redskins 73-0!
The Bears were forced to start going for 2 after each TD as they didnt have the nets behind the goalpost like they do today, so the balls would go into the stands after each extra point, and they were down to their last football.
Just messing with you G! 
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 26 2008, 03:13 PM
Posted by: 10alex10 Oct 26 2008, 03:24 PM
very impressive 8 point win against
a team thats a joke!
Posted by: snkpoct137 Oct 26 2008, 04:18 PM
WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN?
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Oct 26 2008, 04:26 PM
I am feets ball fan.
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 26 2008, 04:33 PM
a team thats a joke!
Like everyone else likes to say....a win is a win is a win right?
Posted by: chopinalex Oct 26 2008, 04:49 PM
a team thats a joke!
haha..that steam is out of the Redskins..they will be exposed soon!
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Oct 26 2008, 04:56 PM
Ha! Wait until Brennan gets to start!
Posted by: chopinalex Oct 26 2008, 05:05 PM
yeah hopefully Campbell gets hurt and cant play then with Brennan starting they will lose the rest of there games! great plan Indiana!!!
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 26 2008, 05:08 PM
Hahaha...thank you, someone else you realizes Colt will never make it in this league.
19th how can you even deny Campbell's skills...do you realize this guy is PROGRESSING AND SUCCEEDING in his 8th offense in 9 years since college??? Look what happened Alex Smith when they kept having him learn new offenses...the guy couldn't cut it! Campbell on the other hand, he and the rest of te team is still learning the system as the season goes on and what are they doing? WINNING! Campbell has yet to throw an INT, and he has one of the best QB ratings in the league.
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Oct 26 2008, 05:24 PM
Why you guys keep laughing at me? 
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 26 2008, 05:39 PM
Not laughing at you, just laughing at your mancrush for Choke Brennan
Posted by: snkpoct137 Oct 26 2008, 05:43 PM
yes it was a win. against the 2nd worst team in the league. you won, but i certainly wouldnt be as proud as you are about it
yes we know, and if someone doesnt know all they have to do is look in every other post you make.. and u say indy has a mancrush?
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 26 2008, 06:07 PM
I never said I didn't
Posted by: snkpoct137 Oct 26 2008, 06:25 PM
ok that explains it.. sorry to bother you
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 26 2008, 06:32 PM
Wait whats that?..I can't hear you the, Skins win column is too loud
Dude your team is 0-7 and it's D got picked apart by a guy you feel isn't even a good QB in this league, I know it hurts man. It's alright...there's always next year.
Posted by: snkpoct137 Oct 26 2008, 07:17 PM
Dude your team is 0-7 and it's D got picked apart by a guy you feel isn't even a good QB in this league, I know it hurts man. It's alright...there's always next year.
if u havent noticed, every QB picks apart detroit so once again i wouldnt feel to special about your boyfriend doing it.. I do know one thing though, and that is that detroit and washington will be in the same place in january, and thats sitting at home watching football on tv
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 26 2008, 07:45 PM
Hahahahha what a sad, desperate attempt to say the Redskins are on the same level as the Lions. Last time I checked I'm pretty sure the Skins are 6-2 and the Lions are 0-7. Nothing else needs to be said, I have no idea why you are even talking...you're just making more agony for yourself.
Posted by: snkpoct137 Oct 26 2008, 07:51 PM
where did i say they were on the same level? i think you may actually get dumber by the post. I simply said only 1 team wins the SB each year and it 100 percent wont be the skins.. sorry to burst your bubble
if it werent for other people posting in this thread, ripping on the skins it would be dead already
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 26 2008, 07:53 PM
if it werent for other people posting in this thread, ripping on the skins it would be dead already
Yeah well you said they'd be in the same place in JANUARY...let me be the first to make you aware that the Super Bowl is in February
Posted by: snkpoct137 Oct 26 2008, 08:00 PM
they have to make it through the playoffs first which i am pretty sure take place in january?
Posted by: marcus42 Oct 26 2008, 08:01 PM
where was this thread before the 'Skins were 6-2?
Posted by: 10alex10 Oct 26 2008, 08:01 PM
lol. that made no sense..
you have to play in january to
play in febuary
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 26 2008, 08:09 PM
you have to play in january to
play in febuary
Why do I argue with you people? The fact of the matter is, is that the Skins are 6-2 with one of the LEAGUE LEADING rusher, and one of the top rated QB's in the League.
And the Lions...well just about last in everything with an 0-7 record.
Posted by: snkpoct137 Oct 26 2008, 08:11 PM
this has to be the weakest 6-2 team i have ever seen
Thu 9/4 at NY Giants L 7-16
Sun 9/14 New Orleans W 29-24
Sun 9/21 Arizona W 24-17
Sun 9/28 at Dallas W 26-24
Sun 10/5 at Philadelphia W 23-17
Sun 10/12 St. Louis L 17-19
Sun 10/19 Cleveland W 14-11
Sun 10/26 at Detroit W 25-17
wins by 5, 7, 2, 6, 3 and 8.. not a single 2 possession game in there whole thing. With the amazing stats that campbell and portis have and the skins awesome d they should be dominating teams!
i could even go as far as saying they are even worse then the lions 6-2 start last year (yes the skins won 34-3 at home, which has no bearing on this)
Posted by: chopinalex Oct 26 2008, 08:36 PM
haha that was funny!!!
mancrush!
mancrush!
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 26 2008, 09:29 PM
mancrush!
mancrush!
I never denied...does that still make if funny? Besides...there is a reason why we all collect. And for a lot of us if not all of us, if we accept it or not we ALL have, what could be described as a "mancrush"
Besides, I'm secure in my sexuality...Married for 3 years to the most beautiful woman I've ever seen!
And as far as Jason goes...been dating a little lady named Mercedes for a few years now. I believe she was Ms. District of Columbia just a few years ago...he seems pretty secure if his manhood as well
Posted by: chopinalex Oct 27 2008, 12:20 AM
yikes you know the name of the girl Jason is dating..thats scary!!!
3 more weeks until the rematch!!!!
Posted by: jleaseburg Oct 27 2008, 06:50 AM
Go Redskins!
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Oct 27 2008, 07:01 AM
At least the Lions are tied for the strongest 0-fer team in the NFL.
Posted by: Kiansdad Oct 27 2008, 08:15 AM
That IS kind of John Hinckley Jr-ish. Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 27 2008, 10:39 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80bf8238
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/26/AR2008102602544.html?wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter
For Redskins, the Agony of Victory
In Win Over Lions, Another Lackluster Effort Frustrates Zorn
By Les Carpenter
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, October 27, 2008; Page A01
DETROIT, Oct. 26 -- Jim Zorn looked frustrated on Sunday. He squinted and pursed his lips. He snapped at his star running back, Clinton Portis, during the game. And he pounded the lectern during his news conference afterward, using the phrase that might be the most profane in his vocabulary -- "I'm getting ticked off" -- over a misunderstanding with a reporter.
It was a face many around the Redskins had not seen of the coach who has been the picture of wondrous enthusiasm the first two months of the season; forever preaching a mental state neither too high nor too low, one that he calls "medium." But as the season rolled to its halfway point and staying "medium" has pushed the Redskins toward a surprising 6-2 start, the stakes have risen. Simply winning is no longer enough. The Redskins are piling up victories, but they don't feel they are playing well enough to deserve them.
On Sunday they struggled to a 25-17 victory over the Detroit Lions, who might be the worst team in the NFL. In the Lions' previous six games this season, they had fallen behind by a combined score of 110-0. It was the kind of team Washington's players believed they should have beaten by 20 points. Instead, the Redskins trailed 10-6 at halftime and had to rely on a punt return for a touchdown by wide receiver Santana Moss and a late tackle by linebacker London Fletcher to win the game.
"I would love to be relaxing at the end of the fourth quarter in just one of these games," Fletcher joked of a season in which every Redskins game has not been decided until the very end.
Often football players and coaches celebrate every win, forever repeating a tired mantra that it is never easy to win in the NFL no matter how meager the opponent. But Washington has found itself in the position of having to survive each week, even losing recently to the St. Louis Rams, who were winless at the time. Yet no afternoon was more agonizing to the Redskins' players and coaches than Sunday's. Statistically the game wasn't close: The Redskins had 165 more yards than the Lions, held onto the ball for 11 minutes 30 seconds longer, ran 13 more plays and still had to fight until the very end for the victory.
Which is why Zorn seemed so agitated after the game.
The players "are frustrated and I'm frustrated, too," he said. "It's knowing what we can do. When we have a chance to score 30, I'd like to score 30."
The Redskins probably should have scored more than 30 points against the Lions. Ten times Washington had the ball on Sunday and on nine of those occasions it pushed into Detroit territory, but had only had two touchdowns and four field goals to show for the effort. The culprit was penalties -- eight of them -- and sloppy mistakes that seemed to come at "critical times," Zorn said. Such things will drive a coach mad. And Zorn certainly was more annoyed than usual.
"I take it personally because I call the plays," he said.
It is perplexing to the Redskins how every game has become a fight for survival. They have beaten the Cowboys and the Eagles on the road and pulled out wins over potential playoff teams Arizona and New Orleans at home. Yet they lost to the Rams and in subsequent weeks have scrambled to beat Cleveland and Detroit, teams with three victories among them.
"We want to win, but we want to win the right way," Fletcher said. "You will never play a perfect game, but you want to get better."
Maybe it is hard to measure the Redskins against Detroit. While Zorn insisted his players came with the right amount of enthusiasm to Ford Field on Sunday, it was hard to feel much excitement. The Lions' season has been so dreadful that a feeling of abandonment lingered in the air. For the first time in the stadium's six-year history, a Lions game was not sold out, which -- by NFL rules -- meant it could not be shown on local television. The crowd, listed as 54,312 in the 64,500-seat arena, was listless. Even as the Redskins self-destructed in the first half and the Lions built a lead, the reaction was less of euphoria and more of wariness, as if the fans sensed something bad would soon happen.
When the game ended, Lions Coach Rod Marinelli walked into another joyless news conference in which reporters asked how his team has now lost 14 of 15 games. At one point, a Detroit writer asked why anyone should believe his team is getting any better.
"Because that's who I am. You are you, you're negative," Marinelli replied.
When the reporter said that asking about 14 loses in 15 games was simply factual, Marinelli retorted, "Because I believe in what we're doing and I'm just going to keep doing it."
Down the hall Zorn's day was not nearly as gloomy. After all, the Redskins had won even if it didn't feel like it. He quickly made up with the reporter who had briefly drawn his ire and seemingly had done the same with Portis, with whom he was angry for putting himself back into the game at one point in the first half. But nonetheless, he wore the frustration of the afternoon.
As did his players.
"We still haven't played mistake-free football. It's kind of scary," said Moss who scored both of the Redskins' touchdowns. "When we clean up some of that stuff in the second half [of the season], the sky's the limit."
Posted by: Kiansdad Oct 27 2008, 01:42 PM
They better play better next week then they did yesterday.. they arent playing the Lions.
Posted by: snkpoct137 Oct 27 2008, 02:37 PM
ok what exactly is the point of that article in this thread? its all obvious stuff. They should of walked all over detroit but they didnt, what exactly is that proving?
and next week pitt will take care of the skins on monday night and a steelers fan will make a post about it and make sure u give your excuses why they lost
Posted by: jleaseburg Oct 27 2008, 02:39 PM
I thought this was supposed to be a thread for Redskins fans to talk about the team. Not everyone else to jump on and rip on them.
Posted by: jleaseburg Oct 27 2008, 02:47 PM
and next week pitt will take care of the skins on monday night and a steelers fan will make a post about it and make sure u give your excuses why they lost
A win is a win, no matter the margin. This isn't college football where the more you destroy the opposing team the better you look. I'd rather be 6-2 with wins of a touchdown or less than be 0-7 anyday.
Everybody makes excuses for their teams losses. I am sure there are Lions fans who have an excuse for all 7 of their losses this year, or Titans fans who think their team will go undefeated this year.
Posted by: snkpoct137 Oct 27 2008, 02:53 PM
Apparently there is no place on this site where you can just start a thread to talk about your team with other fans of that team without it getting jumped all over.
if it was you that started the thread no one would of "jumped in". no one ever denied they won, i stated that there was no point to the post as we all already knew washington should of spanked detroit but they didnt.
and detroit was 6-2 last year and fell apart, i wouldnt be surprised to see the same out of the new look skins. not because there a bad team but because they keep playing these close games and eventually they will lose the one that will end their season
and their will be no more redskin bashing in this thread as long as their are no other team bashing in their thread
Posted by: jleaseburg Oct 27 2008, 03:07 PM
Ok I saw the Lions thread and understand now.
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 27 2008, 07:05 PM
Lol, I was just trying to start some friendly smack talking...mainly with my man 10alex10, but I guess snkpoct is a little sensitive and touchy about his teams 0-7 start and couldn't handle it. Oh well, it's not my issue.
Lets get hyped for the Steelers on Monday Night Football...it will be the Skin's time to shine! (or atleast pull off ANOTHER 4th quarter win)
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 27 2008, 07:53 PM
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
Posted: October 27, 2008
The Redskins are 6-2 at the midway point of the regular season for the first time since 2000.
Now the push begins, Jim Zorn said.
Typically, it is in November and December that champions are made, and Zorn wants his players to start to build momentum heading into the second half of the season.
“We were 3-1 in our first four games, and 3-1 in our second four," Zorn said. "So we're feeling really solid about our record.
"Now this is the push where the teams begin to define themselves. And so we’re hoping that we can keep this thing going.”
From a schedule standpoint, the Redskins appear to be in a favorable position.
The Redskins’ toughest games in the second half of the season are at FedExField. Those opponents--Pittsburgh, Dallas, New York Giants and Philadelphia--have a combined record of 20-9.
Meantime, the Redskins four road opponents in the second half of the season--Seattle, Baltimore, Cincinnati and San Francisco--have a combined record of 8-22.
On Nov. 3, the Redskins return to FedExField to host the Steelers on Monday Night Football.
While the Redskins were defeating the winless Detroit Lions 25-17 at Ford Field, the Steelers lost a hard-hitting, physical game to the Giants 21-14.
A strong performance against the Steelers could put the Redskins on the national radar, so to speak. The last time the Redskins played in a nationally televised game was in Week 1, when they lost to the Giants 16-7.
Then, after five preseason games and nine regular season games, the Redskins have their bye week.
Finally, a break.
“We’ve been going through a long road,” Jason Campbell admitted last week. “You are talking about a total of 14 games straight [including 5 pre-season games] before we even get a break. It’s definitely to the point where we have to stay strong before we get to the bye week.
“Guys are getting a lot of bumps and bruises, including myself. This team has to continue to push through before we even think about getting to our bye week.”
After the bye, the Redskins host the Cowboys on Sunday Night Football, another nationally televised affair. Dallas goes into that game coming off a bye as well.
Washington defeated the Cowboys 26-24 at Texas Stadium earlier this season.
The Redskins head back out on to the road in Week 12, traveling to Seattle to take on the struggling Seahawks.
That game is certain to have special meaning for head coach Jim Zorn, who starred at quarterback for the Seahawks from 1976-84 and served as an assistant coach there from 2001-07.
The Redskins have lost two playoff games in Seattle in the last three years, so players should be extra motivated to play well at noisy Qwest Field.
The following week, the Redskins return to FedExField to host the Giants in Week 13 in a game that should have significant meaning in terms of the NFC East race.
The Redskins begin their December stretch run with two road games against AFC North opponents.
First up are the surprising Baltimore Ravens and then the struggling Cincinnati Bengals.
Washington hosts the Philadelphia Eagles on Dec. 21 in what promises to be another pivotal NFC East matchup. The Redskins defeated the Eagles 23-17 at Lincoln Financial Field earlier this season.
The regular season finale is in San Francisco against the 49ers on Dec. 28.
Could this be a game with NFC East implications? The last time the Redskins clinched the NFC East crown was in San Francisco in 1999, when they defeated the 49ers 26-20 in overtime.
For now, the Redskins will look to get past the Steelers game and get healthy for the stretch run.
Cornelius Griffin, Shawn Springs, Chris Samuels and Chris Horton are among starters who have missed time in recent games.
Winning games has made it easier to battle through injuries the last few weeks, Campbel said.
“You’re playing with a lot of momentum, you’re playing with expectations, and everyone is pushing each other and holding each other accountable for everything we do,” Campbell said.
Posted by: jleaseburg Oct 27 2008, 08:12 PM
This has a list of Redskins blog and fan sites.
http://theredskinsblog.com/
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 28 2008, 10:43 AM
http://theredskinsblog.com/
Yeah, I usually check that site daily
Although I enjoy Cooleys blog more, but he doesn't update every day 
Posted by: ffman Oct 28 2008, 01:31 PM
Next week's game should be a good one - isn't Parker supposed to be back for Pittsburgh?
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 28 2008, 01:47 PM
Yes it should! I'm unsure about Parker, I haven't heard. I wish they'd make an update on the status of Portis though. He apparently got hurt on his last carry of the game, a 31 yard gain the ended with him falling on top of the ball. There's been no word on him since the game, nor has he taken part in any of the after game press conferences.
None the less, if Portis is out, it does raise a few questions, but I know Jason can come though and lead this team to a victory Monday night.
Posted by: ffman Oct 28 2008, 01:49 PM
None the less, if Portis is out, it does raise a few questions, but I know Jason can come though and lead this team to a victory Monday night.
Ouch, that would hurt.
That would be a good test for Campbell though - how can he perform without the help of one of the league's best running backs?
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 28 2008, 01:55 PM
That would be a good test for Campbell though - how can he perform without the help of one of the league's best running backs?
I think you meant to say the leagues LEADING rusher
Portis is in the lead by 260 yards! Which is absolutely crazy, Peterson is in 2nd place...260 yards behind WOW! I'm pretty sure Betts in not fully healthy yet either, so they'd be putting a lot of pressure on Shaun and Rock Cartwright. For now I will be putting my hope into the fact that Portis is ok
Posted by: ffman Oct 28 2008, 01:56 PM
Portis is in the lead by 260 yards! Which is absolutely crazy, Peterson is in 2nd place...260 yards behind WOW! I'm pretty sure Betts in not fully healthy yet either, so they'd be putting a lot of pressure on Shaun and Rock Cartwright. For now I will be putting my hope into the fact that Portis is ok
Or a comeback from Alexander.
260 in the lead, wow.
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 28 2008, 01:58 PM
260 in the lead, wow.
I was shocked too, I just looked it up on NFL.com. I had no idea he was that far ahead!
Posted by: jleaseburg Oct 28 2008, 02:37 PM
I know he got hurt, but he was back in the game after a couple of plays so it can't be too bad.
Posted by: Kiansdad Oct 28 2008, 03:29 PM
Of course, the redskins havent had their bye yet, so he has played 1 more game then most, but its still impressive.. and a little dangerous.
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 28 2008, 04:02 PM
Hey, the Cowboys haven't had their bye yet either
haha
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 28 2008, 04:03 PM
Thats good to hear, I just wish they'd say something! With him being out due to injury the last 2 seasons, it's a concern.
Posted by: stormfan7 Oct 28 2008, 04:22 PM
Here we go Steelers, here we go
In all seriousness, I am still having a tough time figuring out the Redskins...it's almost like they play to the level of the opponent which is good when they play decent football teams, but who knows?
I hope Portis is healthy, I think that will be a good match-up (Portis vs. Steelers run D).
My roomate is 'Skins fan...things should be interesting in our apartment on Monday Night!!
By the way...
If Washington wins, the incumbent party will stay in the White House (McCain)
If Washington losses, the opposite party will win the election (Obama)
It's happened every election year since 1936...
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 28 2008, 04:28 PM
In all seriousness, I am still having a tough time figuring out the Redskins...it's almost like they play to the level of the opponent which is good when they play decent football teams, but who knows?
I hope Portis is healthy, I think that will be a good match-up (Portis vs. Steelers run D).
My roomate is 'Skins fan...things should be interesting in our apartment on Monday Night!!
By the way...
If Washington wins, the incumbent party will stay in the White House (McCain)
If Washington losses, the opposite party will win the election (Obama)
It's happened every election year since 1936...
Where did you dig up this fact? Please provide us with some creditable sources...because if this is true, this could be the one and only time I could get my Cowboy loving wife to root for the Skins hahahahaha.
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 28 2008, 04:39 PM
ESPN The Magazine)
Rest assured, Portis has been the MVP so far
By Seth Wickersham
ESPN The Magazine
Clinton Portis leads the league in rushing with 944 yards, far ahead of Adrian Peterson (684).
You want a midseason MVP? I'll take the guy on one knee. Clinton Portis does that often, you know. He rests every chance he gets. It has become a humorous point for his Washington Redskins teammates, who notice that during a fourth-quarter timeout or two-minute warning, Portis is down on bended knee, catching his breath.
Portis' act goes against football machismo, which suggests players are never supposed to openly display fatigue, but he doesn't care. He actually likes looking tired, then proving he's not. And he and the Redskins -- even after their ugly 25-17 win over the winless Lions -- have proven a lot so far. Nobody thought Portis would be closing so many wins in the fourth quarter. Not this year, at least. Not in the NFC East, football's toughest division, where the Redskins were supposed to stare up at the Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants and Philadelphia Eagles. Well, guess what? Washington is 6-2, a half-game behind first-place New York. And Portis is the NFL's leading rusher, with 944 yards and five straight 100-yard games. And, with all due respect to Drew Brees and Ben Roethlisberger and Albert Haynesworth, he's also the league's midway MVP.
Few thought that at age 27, in his seventh year in the NFL, the 5-foot-11, 228-pound Portis would experience such a career ascent. He's at the age at which most backs level off. At various times, Portis himself has been uncertain of his long-term future. Heck, he forced a trade from Denver in 2004 because he knew his shelf life could be short. "The window for a running back is only open so long," Portis told me on the day he was introduced as a Redskin. "Right now is my time to get what I'm worth."
Nobody was exactly sure of his worth. He'd played well in Denver, where nearly every running back does. And this decade hasn't been kind to the notion of the bank-breaking superstar tailback. Their typically short career span has forced teams to invest top dollars elsewhere and rely on late-rounders and tandems to supply the ground game. And so when Portis was given a $17-million bonus from Redskins owner Daniel Snyder, it seemed less a wise investment and more an expensive Band-Aid, for which the impulsive Snyder is notorious.
But Portis has earned his money. Only LaDainian Tomlinson has rushed for more yards since Portis entered the league in 2002. But that doesn't mean it has been easy. He has suffered an array of injuries the past two years, showing the kind of wear and tear that often derails a back's career and lends credence to those GMs who refuse to invest major money in them. Portis' diligence in rehabbing was questioned, as was his commitment to being a team leader, seeing as how he spent offseasons training in Miami with his boys from The U.
Portis' contract was redone this past offseason, with financial incentives to be present at the Redskins' offseason workout program. Once he was there, two veterans, receiver James Thrash and linebacker London Fletcher, implored the ever-social Portis to trade some of his partying for harder work at the team complex. "I just respect those guys so much," says Portis. "It was more taking life seriously. Training with those guys, they're the type of guys who I actually look up to."
Another reason Portis has staved off decline is that he has been used differently than ever before. He's carrying the ball more than any other year (23 attempts per game in 2008, compared to his career average of 20) but is being spelled more often in the first three quarters so that he's fresh in the fourth. Twenty-eight percent of his carries this season have been in the final quarter, as opposed to 20 percent during his previous six years. "That's why you get the big bucks," Portis says.
He's had a lingering ankle injury all year. And against the Lions, he got into a shouting match with head coach Jim Zorn after Portis missed a few plays with an equipment issue and reinserted himself into the game without telling anyone. But it's no surprise that when asked to name the moments of which he's most proud, Portis doesn't cite his five straight 100-yard games, or his eight carries of 20-plus yards (he had three last season) but instead three fourth-quarter drives. On the first, against the Saints on Sept. 14, Portis had three straight carries to put the game away. On the second, against the Cowboys on Sept. 28, he had 33 yards rushing on a 12-play, 6-minute, 54-second drive that led to a game-clinching field goal. And on the third, against the Eagles on Oct. 5, his five carries on a 13-play, 7-minute, 18-second drive helped secure another win.
"I'm proud that we stay on the field," Portis says. "In previous years, we hurt ourselves in those situations. Now we stay on the field for seven, eight minutes."
Even if a few of them are spent on one knee.
Seth Wickersham is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine and a columnist for ESPN.com
Posted by: jleaseburg Oct 28 2008, 04:56 PM
If Washington wins, the incumbent party will stay in the White House (McCain)
If Washington losses, the opposite party will win the election (Obama)
It's happened every election year since 1936...
I remember reading somewhere about the election thing also. It was true up until the 2004 election when the Redskins lost to the Packers, which John Kerry should have won with the Skins loss.
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 28 2008, 04:59 PM
Well thank goodness that didn't happen! If people think Bush screwed up...oh boy Kerry would have destroyed this country. But I'm not trying to get into any kind of political debate...THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE SKINS!!!
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 28 2008, 05:07 PM
What's everyone's opinion on the Portis article, naming him the midseason MVP?
Posted by: Kiansdad Oct 28 2008, 07:17 PM
Nice article, but midseason MVP means just slighty less then preseason #1 in college football.
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 28 2008, 11:05 PM
haha
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 29 2008, 11:26 AM
By Mike Wise
Wednesday, October 29, 2008; E03
As the shrieks and shrills grew to decibels unheard of in suburban Virginia, as hundreds of tiny young voices pierced the air of this special school assembly -- "JA-SON! JA-SON!" -- one thought came to mind:
Poor Tim Dehaven.
After his 7-year-old daughter Taylor -- she's the one with the Redskins hair bands holding up her blond pigtails, seated in the front -- won the NFL's Take a Player to School Sweepstakes, after Taylor rolled up to P.B. Smith Elementary School yesterday in a gleaming jet-black stretch limousine with Jason Campbell -- only the starting quarterback for the Washington Redskins (and the coolest person in the history of mankind, according to several children interviewed yesterday) -- well, let's be honest:
Take Your Dad To School Day loses just a bit of juice.
"Is this unbelievable or what?" Tim said, panning the room with his hand-held video camera, filming the greatest day of a second-grader's life.
Taylor's mom, Sheila, and her 4-year-old brother, Nicholas, looked on in stunned amazement as Taylor grabbed the microphone and, upon prompting from Principal Patricia Comstock, bellowed, "Here is Jason Campbell!" amid more deafening shrieks and shrills.
Wearing a No. 17 jersey, it was as if Hannah Montana had come to Warrenton.
"This is like one of them pep rallies I went to on a Friday afternoon in high school in Mississippi," said Campbell, who was in awe himself -- of the burgundy-and-gold banners, balloons, drawings, painted faces, and of Taylor, who welcomed him to this spirited slice of Virginia, where he was clearly on message in this battleground state.
"Taylor for president," he said underneath a massive American flag in the assembly room. "I mean, look at her, she's got everything. She's smart. She's fun. I'm just glad she picked me as her running mate. I think we're good to go in Virginia."
"Vote for me," Taylor said, on cue.
Did we mention Campbell's high school and home town is named Taylorsville?
"Really?" Taylor asked.
"Yep," Jason said.
Serendipity ruled the day.
I'm probably dating myself, but remember "The Brady Bunch" episode when Bobby concocts a story about being deathly ill, until Joe Namath actually shows up in his back yard to play catch with the faker? Or when Mean Joe Greene tossed the jersey to that kid in the iconic Coca-Cola commercial?
Yeah? Hollywood schmaltz. This was as genuine as it gets, unscripted interaction between a modest, athletic hero and the little girl who represented his adoring fan base.
Taylor was one of 34 children to win basically the NFL's golden ticket, an opportunity to take a pro football star to school and design a workout of their own with the player. The impetus behind the program, also sponsored by J.C. Penney and ESPN, was to get kids to buy into a youth fitness initiative -- something Campbell took seriously in his speech to the children.
"I know a lot of you have Nintendos, PlayStations and Game Boys," he said before encouraging them to get out of the house and work out. He added a bunch of no-nos when a child seated up front blurted out, "No sugar rush!"
Not all of Campbell's fear-based ploys worked, however.
"Who wants to get hit by a big, 350-pound lineman?"
"I do, I do," a few children yelled.
"You do?" he said, as the room giggled back.
Taylor's big day began before 9 a.m., when Campbell came to pick her up and meet the family. When he arrived, most of Warrenton had showed up in the Dehaven living room, including Taylor's best friend, McKinley, who hugged her before she left for school, as if to say, "You go, girl."
Taylor was a pistol, jumping rope, catching overhand passes from Campbell, who had to take a little something off those he usually throws to Santana Moss and Chris Cooley. "Jim Zorn once told me the first pass he threw to a cheerleader, he gave her a bloody nose," he volunteered. "So I want to be careful of that."
There were other tidbits gleaned from Washington's quarterback, courtesy of really smart and thought-out questions asked by P.B. Smith's finest:
"What player did you learn the most from in your career?"
"Mark Brunell," Campbell said, launching into a nice tribute about how the man he replaced helped him become a better person off the field.
"What do you do in your spare time?"
"Sleep."
And this gem, proving these kids did their homework: "How do you mentally turn yourself around after a play goes wrong?"
Campbell: "Uh."
By the end of the assembly Campbell had a group of kids, including Taylor, chanting "War Eagle!" for his beloved Auburn University. They in turn made him chant, "Roadrunners!"
When the quarterback of the Redskins lifted up Taylor in his big arms, she jumped as high as she jumped all day, conducting an impromptu interview with her special guest. (Taylor came up with two of the 10 questions by herself.)
Take a Player to School Day went off without a hitch. When it was over, it was hard to gauge who was more enraptured by the experience -- Taylor or the ridiculously large kid who wore his Jason Campbell No. 17 jersey to school, as kids will sometimes do.
"I really like the way they were cheering for me and him when he came out," Taylor said.
"This is fun, man, it's like a concert," Campbell said, as the shrieks continued. "I haven't been in second grade since I don't know when."
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 29 2008, 12:05 PM
Steelers @ Redskins Monday Night Football
Posted by: jleaseburg Oct 29 2008, 12:17 PM
Too bad the Steelers receiver in the photo won't be in the game.
Posted by: Gforce083 Oct 29 2008, 12:45 PM
Yes he will
Tomlin only deactivated him for last weeks game. Unless ol Sheriff Goodell has something to say, he's playing. http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80c08003&template=with-video&confirm=trueWhich is fine...if Landry and the boys can contain the likes of TO & Whitten, Boldin & Fitz...I think they can handle some Homles & Ward.
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Oct 29 2008, 02:16 PM
http://theologica.blogspot.com/2004/10/redskins-rule.html
Posted by: jleaseburg Oct 29 2008, 02:42 PM
It was correct until the last election broke the streak.
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 1 2008, 03:23 PM
Redskins Pass Protection vs. Steelers Linebackers
It could be tough going for the Redskins’ second-ranked rushing offense on Monday night. The Steelers’ run defense has been a strong point for years.
The Redskins must establish a passing game to move the ball. That means giving Jason Campbell time to throw the ball.
Campbell has completed 66 percent of his passes for 1,754 yards and eight touchdowns. He has been sacked 16 times this season, 21st most in the league, but he has not been pressured into mistakes. He has zero interceptions in eight games.
Pass protection is a premium this game, and offensive linemen will need to communicate at pre-snap to make sure they are coordinated at the line of scrimmage. Clinton Portis, Mike Sellers, Chris Cooley and others will have to be involved in pass blocking.
Pittsburgh’s linebackers have a combination of size and speed. James Harrison is 6-0 and 242, and he leads the Steelers in sacks with 8.5. LaMarr Woodley is 6-2 and 265, and he has 7.5 sacks.
When they come off the edge, Chris Samuels and Jon Jansen must fend them off, with help from Cooley. When they come up the middle, look for Sellers and Portis to pick them up.
DEFENSE
Redskins Pass Rush vs. Ben Roethlisberger
Washington has relied on strong pass coverage to befuddle quarterbacks this season. At some point, the pass rush should pick up the slack.
The Redskins have just 10 sacks this season, with Andre Carter leading the defense with two. It hasn’t helped that Jason Taylor has been sidelined most of the season with a calf injury. His replacement Demetric Evans has one sack, but is strong in run defense.
Why is it so important to generate a pass rush against Roethlisberger? In the Steelers’ two losses this season, to Philadelphia and the New York Giants, Roethlisberger was sacked 13 times and threw a combined five interceptions.
Overall, Steelers quarterbacks have been sacked 23 times, 30th most in the league.
Roethlisberger has a tendency to hold the ball longer than other quarterbacks. He does have good mobility for a 6-5, 241-pound quarterback.
Left tackle Marvel Smith is out for the game due to a back injury, so Carter is expected to match up against Max Starks, a 6-8, 345-pound fifth-year pro.
SPECIAL TEAMS
Antwaan Randle El vs. Steelers Punt Coverage
For the second week in a row, the Redskins go up against the NFL’s second-ranked punt coverage unit. The Steelers have yielded just 4.9 yards per punt return this season.
This season, Antwaan Randle El is averaging just 6.5 yards per return.
It was Santana Moss who recorded the Redskins’ only touchdown on a punt return. Last week, he returned a punt 80 yards for the game-winning points in the 25-17 win over the Lions.
Randle El continues to get the bulk of returns, though. The punt return group is ranked 19th in the NFL following Moss’s big return.
Randle El played in Pittsburgh from 2002-05 and that could provide some extra motivation to make an impact in Monday night’s game.
1-ON-1
Casey Rabach vs. Casey Hampton
For the second time in three weeks, Casey Rabach goes up against a massive nose tackle in 6-1, 326-pounder Casey Hampton.
Rabach held his own against Cleveland’s Shaun Rogers on Oct. 19. Hampton is one of the elite defensive linemen in the NFL, earning trips to four Pro Bowls in the last decade.
Hampton has missed three games due to a groin injury this season. He has nine tackles in four games, but no sacks.
Rabach has been part of an offensive line that has been dominant in run blocking. He’ll need to get a strong push against Hampton to make sure he does not disrupt plays in the backfield.
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 2 2008, 12:15 AM
I'M READY FOR MONDAY NIGHT!!! BEEN SEEING ALL THE COMMERCIALS ABOUT IT AND I'M PUMPED!
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 3 2008, 12:02 PM
I should have worn my Redskins hat today!!! There are so many people around campus wearing Steeler jsy's!!!! BOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Nov 3 2008, 12:29 PM
You need to wear a Redskins helmet and greet the Steeler jerseys the linebacker way.
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 3 2008, 03:45 PM
hahahaha! That would be awesome...If I had a full size helmet I'd wear it around!
Posted by: ffman Nov 3 2008, 03:49 PM
I'm ready for some football!
Posted by: snkpoct137 Nov 3 2008, 11:16 PM
byebye to Jason Campbells interception streak
Posted by: ffman Nov 3 2008, 11:16 PM
'Skins are getting whooped.
Posted by: ffman Nov 3 2008, 11:17 PM
The NFL is becoming way too protective of quarterbacks....never mind, that was helmet-to-helmet contact.
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 3 2008, 11:45 PM
Let me go ahead and be the first to man up and put an end to any negative remarks against me and the team I cheer for....
It's obvious to see that the Steelers came into Washington very well prepared on the defensive side of the ball. They knew what it was going to take to beat, and dismantle Jason Campbell of the Skins offense.
The blocked punt was the turning point of this game, and the Redskins could never recover from that mishap. The defense played hard for the Skins, but all in all, the offense could just not stay on the field...which led to the wearing down of the D. The offense has really left A LOT of points on the field this season. They are really going to have to learn how to finish drives and put 6 pts on the board.
It's also obvious that Zorn and this team is still a learning coach and team. They are learning as they go, and nights like these are inevitable. These are the games where the lessons learned outweigh the production on the field. These are the games to truly build off of, collectively gather together and become stronger as a team.
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Nov 4 2008, 05:10 AM
Throughout the game, I don't know why Washington was going for low-percentage pass plays that take too long to develop. Steelers were getting penetration. It would have made sense if they just stuck with moving the chains - the way the West Coast is SUPPOSED to be run. Short quick passes with good angles on routes and it gets the ball out of the QB's hands long before any of the defense can touch him.
I'm sorry, but the Redskins kinda reminded me of the Bungles last night - 3 and out and defense on the field for a looooooong time.
And where's the statistic on interceptions in your banner?
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 4 2008, 10:45 AM
I'm sorry, but the Redskins kinda reminded me of the Bungles last night - 3 and out and defense on the field for a looooooong time.
And where's the statistic on interceptions in your banner?
I agree with you 98%...the missing 2% being the Bengals comparison
haha. It starting out it seemed as if Zorn had a pretty good plan of offense, but they never "clicked" on those first 2 or 3 drives. Then the blocked punt happen, and I seemed as if Zorn threw out his game plan and started making some bad decisions. Like I said in my post above, this game was truly a learning experience for Zorn and this team. They will have plenty to build off of and work out throughout the bye week, while also taking some necessary time off. The Redskins started before anyone else this off-season and they've gotten their bye week later than the majority of the league as well.
And the 2 INTS where added to my stat banner before I went to sleep last night
Posted by: ffman Nov 4 2008, 10:47 AM
The offensive line was a problem during the game - how can you expect Campbell to do much when he gets sacked like he did? Almost reminded me of how bad protection was for David Carr with the Texans.
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 4 2008, 10:50 AM
True...he was sacked more times last night than any other game in his career. Maybe he forgot to take the O-Line out to dinner this past week? I don't know, but the Steelers obviously have an amazing pass rush... and they knew how to exploit the Redskins O-Line.
And how the heck do the Redskins fan allow so many Steeler fans to get tickets to this game?
Posted by: ffman Nov 4 2008, 10:51 AM
Darn....reading your signature - if Clinton could have gotten five more yards last night he would have hit 1000 yards rushing.
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 4 2008, 10:55 AM
He is still quite a ways ahead of the other RBs
But yeah, CP only rushed 13 times. He did generate the longest rush against the Steelers D though
I guess thats one good thing?
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 4 2008, 11:00 AM
SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE LEADER
Jason Campbell absorbed sack after sack, hit after hit, against a stout Pittsburgh Steelers defense on Monday night.
Sooner or later, the hits would add up.
And Campbell would make a mistake.
It happened midway through the third quarter, with the Redskins driving into scoring range.
Campbell was pressured off the edge and he threw in the direction of Portis to the left. The pass appeared to be tipped at the line of scrimmage.
Cornerback Deshea Townsend was there for the interception.
It was a critical turnover. Pittsburgh, leading 16-6, had thwarted a scoring opportunity. They turned around and drove the other way for their third and final touchdown of the game in a 23-6 victory.
The interception also ended a remarkable streak for Campbell and Redskins quarterbacks.
The team has set an NFL record streak of 12 consecutive games and 379 pass attempts without an interception, dating back to last season.
For Campbell, it was his first interception after 271 consecutive passes, a franchise record.
“It was a play where a defender came in low on my leg and I tried to flip it to Portis,” Campbell said. “Any time a ball gets tipped in the air in the NFL, more times than not it’s going to get intercepted. They intercepted it and it was a great play on their behelf.”
In the fourth quarter, Campbell tossed another interception as he tried to lead the Redskins on a comeback. His throw was picked off by strong safety Tyrone Carter on a pass to James Thrash.
“It was just a miscommunication between me and the receiver,” Campbell said. “You just move on from that.”
It was a long night for Campbell, who was sacked seven times by an aggressive Pittsburgh defense.
He finished the game with 24-of-43 passes for 206 yards and a QB rating of 49.2. Most of the passing yards came in the fourth quarter as the Steelers’ secondary stayed back to prevent big plays.
Overall, the Redskins posted 221 total yards of offense and converted just 3-of-15 third-down plays.
Campbell called the Steelers’ defense “relentless” in their pass pressure.
“They would not bend at all,” Campbell said. “Even at the goal line, they were tough. They played real sound and you have to give them a lot of credit. They’re smart and they did a real good job. They showed us a lot of different looks.”
Said Chris Cooley: “[The Steelers] did a good job of getting pressure on Jason and we didn’t run the ball very well early on. Passes took longer to develop. We were able to make short plays and a few times we were able to put together the starts of drives, but at no point in the game were we able to finish.”
Campbell said the Redskins would learn from the tough loss.
After five preseason games and nine regular season games, the team welcomes the bye week, though.
“We are 6-3 and we’re at the break point, and we’re getting a much-needed break,” Campbell said. “We just need to bounce back when we get back in next week. We can’t get discouraged. We’re still in a good position.”
Posted by: stormfan7 Nov 4 2008, 11:09 AM
And how the heck do the Redskins fan allow so many Steeler fans to get tickets to this game?
I couldn't believe that either...I remember a 3rd down play for the Redskins and the crowd was so loud...that was unbelievable!
Posted by: fsabala Nov 7 2008, 09:59 AM
the redskins offense played too consertively against the steelers but then again their D is nasty and I guess Campbell just took what the D gave him.
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 7 2008, 11:12 AM
Which was not much! Zorn will def learn from his play calling mistakes this game, as he did with the Giants game. They should come back strong after the bye...COWBOY/SKINS WEEK #2!!!
Posted by: jleaseburg Nov 7 2008, 11:26 AM
I'll be at the game.
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 7 2008, 11:44 AM
I don't think my scooter will be able to get me there...much less my wallet haha. Thats awesome man...thats one thing I have to do before I die..Skins/Boys game.
Posted by: snkpoct137 Nov 7 2008, 07:07 PM
congrats on picking up Deangelo hall!
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 7 2008, 09:46 PM
Yeah I saw that! At first I was like "what? why would they waste more money for a position they don't need" Then I got to thinking, and the great Shawn Springs is currently in his 13th season and probably only has a year or 2 left in him....
The one year contract they gave D Hall should give the Skins enough to evaluate wither he can be the guy opposite C Rogers for years to come.
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 8 2008, 04:03 PM
I'm glad to see they released Torrence, never thought it was what everyone said he was. Always got burned on coverage. It will be interesting to see how D Hall plays for the Skins, if he returns to his Falcon form or continues with his less than average play from the Raiders.
One thing that does worry me is his presence in the locker room. Hall seems to have a big head, and seems to play for himself a lot of the time, instead of the team. One of the greatest things about this years Skins team is their team unity in the locker room and on the field....last thing they need is a locker room distraction.
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
Posted: November 8, 2008
The Redskins have signed free agent cornerback DeAngelo Hall, the team announced on Saturday.
Hall passed a physical on Saturday morning, and the deal became official. He is expected to be on hand for the team's Monday practice at Redskins Park.
To make room for Hall on the 53-man roster, the Redskins released third-year cornerback Leigh Torrence.
Hall, a 5-year veteran, was released by the Oakland Raiders on Nov. 5. The Redskins were immediately interested in acquiring Hall.
In eight games with the Raiders this season, Hall had logged 48 tackles (43 solo), a half-sack, three interceptions and 13 passes defended.
The 5-10, 195-pounder was originally a first-round draft choice (eighth overall) by the Atlanta Falcons in 2004.
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Hall, who is 24 years old, played his first four seasons with the Falcons, emerging as one of the top cornerbacks in the league. He earned Pro Bowl nods following the 2005 and 2006 seasons.
For his career, Hall has recorded 276 tackles (243 solo), one sack and 20 interceptions.
Hall has made a name for himself in the NFL with some high profile matchups with the game’s elite wide receivers, including Cincinnati’s Chad Johnson and Dallas’s Terrell Owens. The Redskins’ next game is against Owens and the Cowboys on Nov. 16 at FedExField.
Hall played college football at Virginia Tech, where he was a semi-finalist for the Jim Thorpe Award given to the nation’s top defensive back. He logged eight interceptions and two forced fumbles in his career with the Hokies.
Hall has limited NFL experience returning punts and kickoffs, but that was something he excelled at in college. He returned five punts for touchdowns with Virginia Tech.
Hall grew up in Chesapeake, Va., and attended Deep Creek High School, where he would go on to be a standout at football and track.
The Redskins’ move to bring in Hall adds significant depth to the Redskins’ secondary.
Carlos Rogers, Shawn Springs and Fred Smoot are starting-caliber cornerbacks, but they each have had injuries this season. Springs has missed four games with a lingering calf injury.
Rogers, who has been playing at a Pro Bowl-caliber level, has played through a calf injury while Smoot has played through a groin injury.
The Redskins also have rookie J.T. Tryon on the roster at cornerback, as well as second-year player Byron Westbrook on the practice squad.
Torrence played a season and a half with the Redskins.. He started one game in 2007 and saw significant action in nickel packages covering for injuries to Springs, Rogers and Smoot the last two seasons.
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 10 2008, 11:38 AM
Where you wondering how Jason Campbell and Chris Cooley spent their bye week? They took their respective ladies to Disney World or Land...w/e
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 11 2008, 12:30 AM
Portis has reportedly been diagnosed with a knee sprain follow the Steelers game. Over the bye week the knee has swollen, and caused Portis some pain. Coach Z is currently listing him as questionable for the Dallas game!
Posted by: fsabala Nov 11 2008, 10:28 AM
hopefully portis sits so peterson can gain a bigger lead for the rushing title this year 
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 11 2008, 10:43 AM
lol...I was shocked to see Peterson caught up and passed him this Sunday. Portis had almost a 300yd lead on AP before the Steelers game and bye week.
But then again, the Packers did let AP rush for 190+
Posted by: snkpoct137 Nov 11 2008, 07:25 PM
Did they know you were taking this picture of them ??
im ready for sunday night, should be sweet!
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 13 2008, 02:24 PM
So, I'm not going to be able to watch the game this Sunday night!!! My freakin Mass Media Class group has decided the only time we can meet to prepare for our presentation this next week is this Sunday at 8pm Central! RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DADGUM GAME!!!!
I'm sure this will be the last chance I'll have to be able to watch the Skins on TV in Nashville until the Playoffs....I'm a bit frustrated! The only reason we can't meet Saturday is because one girl just wants to go home for the weekend. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted by: fsabala Nov 13 2008, 08:03 PM
looks like portis is going to be out.
Posted by: baseballguy601 Nov 13 2008, 08:04 PM
Portis is out for the game according to ESPN.
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 13 2008, 10:09 PM
He is still a game time decision! However, I have faith that Jason Campbell can get the job done if Portis must sit.
Posted by: fsabala Nov 13 2008, 11:54 PM
yea he did beat the cowgirls with romo in the game.
Posted by: snkpoct137 Nov 16 2008, 08:32 PM
Man i read so many reports that said Portis would be inactive for this game and now hes playing? why declare him inactive if you dont know for sure?
EITHER WAY, this should be a doozy!
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Nov 16 2008, 08:37 PM
Now it's a game. Portis doesn't look injured......
Posted by: chopinalex Nov 16 2008, 09:35 PM
in your face Gforce! touchdown Cowboys!
Posted by: snkpoct137 Nov 16 2008, 09:43 PM
the skins d is dominating right now and surprising the skins O isnt doin much either?
the cowboys could be way up right now if not for some INTS
now its 10-7 skins :/
Posted by: sebredsox24 Nov 16 2008, 10:09 PM
Nice pick by Newman!
Posted by: snkpoct137 Nov 16 2008, 10:25 PM
this 2nd half is looking like the complete opposite of the 1st, now the skins are movin the ball but cant get points and the cowboys look terrible, well actually that hasnt changed at all...
Posted by: bigalexx Nov 16 2008, 10:54 PM
14-10
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Nov 16 2008, 10:57 PM
Put Brennan in!
Posted by: bigalexx Nov 16 2008, 11:16 PM
What now G?
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 16 2008, 11:26 PM
Skins just wanted to make the NFC wild card race that much more interesting.....yeah, thats my story and I'm stickin' to it 
Posted by: chopinalex Nov 16 2008, 11:56 PM
In your hairy face GRizzle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: chopinalex Nov 16 2008, 11:58 PM
Here is a gift to all the Redskin fans!
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 17 2008, 12:00 AM
Just watched the Post Game Press Conference...I'm tired of seeing Zorn so "bland" over these losses. And they only talked to Campbell for 5 min and no other players came out to address the media...hopefully they are in the locker room receiving some constructive criticism!
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 17 2008, 12:28 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80c8c92c
He and the rest of the offense just need to learn to finish drives! They will get there!
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 18 2008, 03:09 PM
Straight off ESPN.com...the Redskins hold 4 of the Top 10 spots in the Pro Bowl fan votes!!!!!
READ 'EM AND WEAP BOYS!!!
Posted by: chopinalex Nov 19 2008, 02:40 AM
Man that win sunday was so sweet I bet the REdskins are still crying!
Jason Campbell and the offense got shut down like a 2008 Bank!!!
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 19 2008, 11:04 AM
Jason Campbell and the offense got shut down like a 2008 Bank!!!
Actually, if you go to www.redskins.com there is no, nor has there been any "crying" since the game. What you will see through player and coaches interviews is a confident team who understands they were beat. But also understands that they missed out on a few opportunities (mainly because of the lack of pass protection) that would have changed the game. You'll find a team who understands who they are and what they are capable of, a team that is even more focused and driven to make a run for the playoffs.
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Nov 19 2008, 11:07 AM
Jason Campbell and the offense got shut down like a 2008 Bank!!!
Maaaannnn. Just shut the front door!
Posted by: marcus42 Nov 19 2008, 12:46 PM
pro bowl votes are worth very little it just shows the redskins fans know how to get on ESPN and vote for their players who are having better than normal years (except portis he deserves to be there, and Cooley is pretty good)...but Campbell and Moss? C'mon! They aren't that good this year.
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Nov 19 2008, 12:48 PM
it just shows the redskins fans know how to get on ESPN and vote for their players who are having better than normal years (except portis he deserves to be there, and Cooley is pretty good)...but Campbell and Moss? C'mon! They aren't that good this year.Yeah, Brennan should get a shot.
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 19 2008, 03:11 PM
it just shows the redskins fans know how to get on ESPN and vote for their players who are having better than normal years (except portis he deserves to be there, and Cooley is pretty good)...but Campbell and Moss? C'mon! They aren't that good this year.WHAT you hatin' the 'Tana Spin Move...NO ONE can stop that!!!!! Campbell well the no INT's for 8 games helped him out. But yes there is a huge Redskin push to vote the team...cause the Boys had so many players there last year.
Posted by: snkpoct137 Nov 19 2008, 08:33 PM
What is this? Redskins stuffing the ballot boxes?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Redskins-fans-are-successfully-stuffing-the-Pro-;_ylt=As0FCsrBZmfcvB7THTUc_8Q5nYcB?urn=nfl,123078
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 19 2008, 09:47 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Redskins-fans-are-successfully-stuffing-the-Pro-;_ylt=As0FCsrBZmfcvB7THTUc_8Q5nYcB?urn=nfl,123078
AND THERE AIN'T NOTHING WRONG OR ANYTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT BABY!!!
VOTE THE REDSKINS TICKET!!!
Posted by: marcus42 Nov 19 2008, 11:08 PM
I was complimenting the 'Skins fans in a distorted way
Posted by: chopinalex Nov 20 2008, 11:42 PM
Man the Redskins are still hurting from Sunday!
Jason Campbell is already thinking about retirement because of the loss!
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 20 2008, 11:56 PM
Redskins.com
Posted: November 20, 2008
PORTIS WANTS TO PLAY VS SEATTLE
It did not take long for running back Clinton Portis to answer the question that is on the mind of every Redskins fan: what is his status for this Sunday’s game against the Seattle Seahawks?
“I am playing this week and there are no ifs, ands or buts about it,” Portis said.
Head coach Jim Zorn was not as empathic with his answer, saying it will once again be a game-time decision.
Portis sat out practice on Wednesday and Thursday this week due to a sprained knee.
He missed practice all last week, but he was still able to carry the ball 15 times for 68 yards against a swarming Dallas Cowboy defense last Sunday night.
Although Portis averaged 4.5 yards per carry, he believed the health of his knee was a factor in the Redskins’ 14-10 loss to Dallas.
“I didn’t have leg drive," Portis said. " I couldn’t have high knees and pull out of stuff. I think as far as running the ball, I did okay. But when you talk about breaking tackles and having a burst of speed, I didn’t have it. That is what I am working on.”
Portis, ranked second in the NFL with 1,063 rushing yards, would face a less-than-stellar run defense this Sunday if he plays against Seattle.
The Seahawks allow 115.5 rushing yards per game, which ranks 31st in the league.
Nonetheless, Zorn believes the Seahawks will be a tough matchup for the Redskins’ offense.
“I know the athletes they have on the team," Zorn said. "Lofa Tatupu will not allow his group to slack at all. They will have something for us. We know them and they know me.”
After losing their last two games, Portis and the Redskins know the significance of this week’s matchup.
“It has been three weeks since we have had a win and I think guys are having a lot of questions," Portis said. "Everybody just wants to get a win."
If Portis has a setback with his injury, Ladell Betts and Shaun Alexander could see significant carries.
Betts was limited in practice this week with a sprained knee. Zorn has said he expects Betts to be available to play Sunday in Seattle.
Posted by: chopinalex Nov 20 2008, 11:59 PM
Of course there talking about those chumps in Seattle! They cant bare to look at the film from sunday!
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 21 2008, 10:42 PM
So why again did the Skin's bring in Shaun Alexander? I'm a fan of the guy personally, he is a great class act with a good sense of humor....but on the field 11 carries, 24 yds, 2.2 yds/carry. Can I get paid a million to do that? I'm sure I could last 11 carries, haha.
Posted by: snkpoct137 Nov 21 2008, 10:43 PM
there not even gonna let shaun play vs his old team
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 21 2008, 10:47 PM
haha well he might get a carry or 2 who knows...but http://chriscooley47.blogspot.com/2008/11/player-profile-shaun-alexander.html and click the video and you'll see what Shaun thinks he is going to do.
Posted by: snkpoct137 Nov 21 2008, 10:48 PM
i heard they were deactivating him for this game?
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 21 2008, 10:53 PM
Not sure where you heard that...deactives will be Marcus Washington, Choke (I mean Colt) Brennan (emergency 3rd string rb), Malcolm Kelly, and likely Anthony Montgomery.
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Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 23 2008, 08:51 PM
It was a squeaker (in classic 2008 Redskins style) but hey I'll take any kind of win anyday!!!
Campbell did have a nice day through the air, and Portis retakes the lead in the race for the NFL rushing title. He leads AP by 26 yards
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 23 2008, 09:35 PM
Oh baby! I just watched Campbells highlights from the game today...boy hurdled a defender to gain a 1 yd first down!! You don't see that kind of effort from my QB's!!!
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80cba7a3
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 25 2008, 04:48 PM
The Redskins waived Shaun Alexander today. However, I find it funny that Redskins.com has no mention of this. I found out from AOL Fanhouse news...I guess with Betts back in the line up they felt Shaun was no longer needed.
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/11/25/if-you-had-four-games-in-the-how-long-will-shaun-alexander-last/
Posted by: metsfan2427 Nov 26 2008, 11:52 AM
poor shaun after that huge year he hasn't done anything
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Nov 26 2008, 12:21 PM
One-year wonder?
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 28 2008, 11:27 PM
This list doesn't look too good, considering they are playing the Giants Sunday!
Out
LB Marcus Washington (ankle)
Questionable
DE Andre Carter (foot)
LB London Fletcher (foot)
DT Cornelius Griffin (shoulder)
DT Kedric Golston (ankle)
RB Clinton Portis (knee/oblique)
T Chris Samuels (knee)
Probable
G Pete Kendall (knee)
DT Anthony Montgomery (achilles)
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Nov 28 2008, 11:31 PM
Ouch! The defensive line and the workhorse are out. And that's against a team who may not blow out opponents, but beat them up physically and mentally.
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 28 2008, 11:35 PM
Well I have reason to believe Portis and Fletcher will show up and do what they can. We shall see though...
Betts is a full on go though..and we know that he can carry the load just fine. But if the run game struggles look out for that " 'Tana Spin Move"
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Nov 28 2008, 11:39 PM
Betts is a full on go though..and we know that he can carry the load just fine. But if the run game struggles look out for that " 'Tana Spin Move"
Still, the Giants defense is top notch and can keep the game close until the offense gets in gear.
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 28 2008, 11:41 PM
Yeah, it always seems the offense is about to shift into a gear we haven't seen yet, and then the clutch goes out
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 29 2008, 06:00 PM
So I was out doing a little grocery shopping today, proudly wearing my Redskins ball cap. While browsing the produce section I see a man walk in front of me wearing nothing other than a NY Giants hoodie! I thought it rather ironic, and somewhat funny that we'd be there at the same time.
Well as the shopping went on we continued to cross paths a # of times...the 3rd time I saw the guy I wanted to say something but the guy wouldn't make eye contact. We ran into each other 2 more times, each time I'm just waiting for him to make eye contact so I could say something...but they guy just couldn't look at me...hahahaha
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Nov 29 2008, 06:01 PM
Well as the shopping went on we continued to cross paths a # of times...the 3rd time I saw the guy I wanted to say something but the guy wouldn't make eye contact. We ran into each other 2 more times, each time I'm just waiting for him to make eye contact so I could say something...but they guy just couldn't look at me...hahahaha
Because he would have shot you. Welcome to New York.
P.S.
-1 Plaxico Burress
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 29 2008, 06:03 PM
P.S.
-1 Plaxico Burress
This is Tennessee! We say "Howdy" in the south, haha.
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Nov 29 2008, 06:08 PM
And you're not a Titans fan????
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 29 2008, 06:13 PM
Nope, I still bitter about the move from Houston
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Nov 30 2008, 01:14 PM
Game over.
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 30 2008, 03:00 PM
Oh ye of little faith!
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 30 2008, 03:39 PM
Well after that failed 4th and 1...I'm nearing that same mindset Game over.
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Nov 30 2008, 03:40 PM
You can see who is actually controlling the line on both sides of the ball.
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 30 2008, 03:44 PM
Here is my question about Campbell...every game he never seems to release the ball on the bounce back from the drop. He always waits and has to step back up into the pocket. Have the receivers been THAT WELL COVERED ALL SEASON?!
The TV never really shows whats happening downfield during the dropback...I need to get my hands on some coaching tapes so I can see whats happening.
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Nov 30 2008, 03:46 PM
The TV never really shows whats happening downfield during the dropback...I need to get my hands on some coaching tapes so I can see whats happening.
And I think he's making up for all the interceptions he hasn't thrown during the first half of the season.
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 30 2008, 03:50 PM
Haha, the wind held that ball in the air! Which he should compensate for, but hey it happens to the best of 'em.
Portis is obviously > 50% but you have to love him for his try! But Zorn, YOU HAVE BETTS! USE HIM!
This is sad, it looks as if the OL has just given up. With 5 minutes left you still have somewhat of a chance COME ON!
The Giants are a great team, probably the best in the league right now!
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Nov 30 2008, 03:53 PM
Portis is obviously > 50% but you have to love him for his try! But Zorn, YOU HAVE BETTS! USE HIM!
This is sad, it looks as if the OL has just given up. With 5 minutes left you still have somewhat of a chance COME ON!
The Giants are a great team, probably the best in the league right now!
Portis is hurt. Really hurt. He's the reason the offense works the way it does. I think Giants will make a repeat appearance. It's wide open in the AFC.
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 30 2008, 03:59 PM
Alot of dropped balls that hit receivers in the hands today!
But the Giants deserve this win!
I'm pretty nervous about the future of the Skins. The Lines on both sides are the ball are aging, along with the LBs. It's going to take a smart draft and free agent pick ups this next offseason to keep this team competitive.
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Nov 30 2008, 04:02 PM
But the Giants deserve this win!
I'm pretty nervous about the future of the Skins. The Lines on both sides are the ball are aging, along with the LBs. It's going to take a smart draft and free agent pick ups this next offseason to keep this team competitive.
I didn't know other WRs suffered from Braylonitis.
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 30 2008, 04:04 PM
Yeah, I think the he goes by the name of MALCOM KELLY and occasionally Randle El
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Nov 30 2008, 04:13 PM
Hey! Dolphins are in the hunt!
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 30 2008, 04:19 PM
Blah! I do like Ronnie Brown though...
Posted by: Gforce083 Nov 30 2008, 04:42 PM
Ol' Zorn, talkin' about lessons learned. I know he's learning the whole head coaching thing, but man this is Week 13!!!
Posted by: chopinalex Dec 1 2008, 12:00 AM
Dang you guys have forgotten how to score points!!!
Posted by: fsabala Dec 1 2008, 01:20 AM
they should start playing devin thomas and malcolm kelly more. i mean they were high draft picks for a reason right?
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 1 2008, 01:32 AM
First of all Kelly's been out with a knee injury for 8 weeks of the season, he is just now picking up the offense. Thomas, he is seeing some action...but he has yet to pass Thrash on the depth chart.
And obviously you missed the game today..Kelly had about 3 drops that hit him right in the chest or the hands.
Posted by: fsabala Dec 1 2008, 02:04 AM
And obviously you missed the game today..Kelly had about 3 drops that hit him right in the chest or the hands.
yea i was watching the other dropfest going on at the same time with indy @ cle.
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 1 2008, 11:04 AM
Missed that one...
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 2 2008, 11:39 PM
Benching Jason Campbell is not the Answer
Let's cut straight to the subject that's been buzzing around the message board and talk radio world:
Should Jason Campbell be benched?
Clearly, his performance has fallen off in the past seven games. After the first five games of the year Campbell's QB rating stood at a very respectable 100 and he hadn't thrown an interception. Now, he's at a mediocre 87.5 rating and he's thrown four picks. After five games, ESPN's Ron Jaworski said that he was a candidate for MVP. Now people are saying he's the main reason the offense has been MIA.
So that has board posters and talk show callers calling for Campbell to be replaced. Put in Todd Collins, look what happened when he went in at this time last year. Put in Colt Brennan, look what he did in preseason. Do either one of those but get another guy for next year. Campbell can't make decisions, he holds the ball too long, he can't make the throws, he can't read defenses, he's not a leader.
It's important to note here that this outcry for Campbell's ouster is coming strictly from outside of Redskins Park. Usually when there is dissatisfaction among the players with the play of the quarterback, some off-the-record comments will be made to some of the media types. I have checked with a couple of reporters who are out in Ashburn frequently and they both told me that there has been no grumbling about benching Campbell.
Let me repeat, none. Zip. Zilch. Zero. Nada. Not a whisper, not a grunt.
Now, I'm not going to go and try to put lipstick on the pig that has been the Redskins offense over the past month and a half or try to minimize Campbell's role in it. A grand total of two touchdowns in three big November home games speaks for itself. The quarterback takes the snaps, he runs the show, and he gets Miss DC. A lot of it is on him.
But it's not all on him, and that's one of the two points I want to make here. This offense is not a well-oiled machine just needed a stud quarterback to take the wheel. Dropped passes, ill-timed penalties and missed blocks are problems that I can see with my own two eyes.
Yesterday, Jim Zorn went into detail about how Antwaan Randle El ran an 11-yard pattern when he should have run an eight-yard pattern. That made Campbell's throw appear to be low when it was exactly where it should have been. Instead of being to turn around and easily take a couple of steps for a first down, Randle El was touched down short of the first.
The second point to make here is directed at those of you who point to Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco and say, see, it shouldn't matter that Campbell is learning a new offense, these guys can step right out of college and get it done.
Yes, Flacco and Ryan are having good years. That's no guarantee that either of them will be good quarterbacks in the NFL for a long time. Did you ever hear of Daunte Culpepper? The learning curve is different for all quarterbacks. Let's look down the list of the top QB's in terms of rating and see how their careers have unfolded:
1. Tony Romo—Did not throw a pass for almost three and a half years before bursting onto the scene.
2. Phillip Rivers—Drafted high, did not play much for two years, has been good but not great in three years as a starter.
3. Kurt Warner—Couldn't make it out of college, played Arena League, bagged groceries, made the Rams as a backup, got his chance due to injury, won two MVP's, declined, nobody wanted him, now back as an unquestioned starter.
4. Drew Brees—Played in one game as a rookie, posted QB ratings of 76.9 and 67.5 in his first two years starting, had two great years with the Chargers, was allowed to leave as a free agent in favor of Rivers, has had two and a half stellar years in New Orleans.
5. Chad Pennington—Played little in his first two years with the Jets, then broke out in his third year, has been steady if unspectacular since then.
6. Jeff Garcia—Canadian League, made the Pro Bowl in San Francisco, bounced to the Lions and Browns, both of whom had major QB issues, to the Eagles where he took over for an injured McNabb and led them to the playoffs, to Tampa Bay.
I defy you to find a pattern there and tell me where Campbell "should" be at this stage of his career. No, he hasn't shown a steady progression from game one as a starter through yesterday, his 32nd game behind center. But neither did most of the guys listed above, or many other solid starters around the league.
Take the quarterbacks of the last two teams the Redskins have faced. Matt Hasselbeck, under the coaching of Jim Zorn in Seattle, had many fits and starts with the Seahawks. Then, in 2005, he got it. A year later the Seahawks were in the Super Bowl and may well have won it if not for some strange officiating calls.
And Eli Manning seemed to be completely lost as late December of last year. Nobody in NFL history has thrown more incompletions in a game than he did against the Redskins in the Meadowlands in Week 15 of 2007. A few weeks before that, he'd thrown four interceptions in an ugly loss to the Vikings. His demeanor was way too laid back. He's now wearing a Super Bowl ring.
Not that all of this means that it's a slam dunk that Campbell will be leading a parade down Constitution Avenue holding a Lombardi Trophy this year or any time soon.
It does mean that there is a potential payoff in being patient, letting Campbell stay in there until he and the other 10 guys on offense are executing the offense the way it's supposed to be executed.
Sometimes to best way to change things is to make no changes at all. This is one of those times.
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Dec 2 2008, 11:49 PM
But Eli was backed up by a good defense and a bruising monster back.
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 3 2008, 12:02 AM
So without that Eli would just be "average"...another point made that this can't be put entirely on Campbell
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 7 2008, 08:20 PM
If you're watching the game...lets chat about it here!
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 7 2008, 08:26 PM
DANG! T Suggs!!!! That ball was up in the air FOREVER!
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 7 2008, 08:29 PM
WOW, what a nice drive by the Ravens!
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 7 2008, 08:35 PM
Man, this OL is not reading the Ravens blitzes very well at all!
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 7 2008, 08:46 PM
Now that was a bologna call!!! Portis' elbow was clearly down!
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 7 2008, 08:59 PM
Thanks Sellers, you sure do know how to make yourself look good by hurdling defenders, but when it comes to blocking you'd rather not risk breaking a nail!!
Posted by: Kiansdad Dec 7 2008, 09:04 PM
Battle of the beltway?
So far it looks like the Ravens are using the belt any way they want on the Skins!
But its still early.
Posted by: snkpoct137 Dec 7 2008, 09:07 PM
yea that was questionable at best. man the ravens d is awesome! Washington just cant get anything going
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 7 2008, 09:09 PM
So far it looks like the Ravens are using the belt any way they want on the Skins!
But its still early.
The Redskins looked good on their first 3 plays, like the first 8 weeks of the season. Then Suggs got a piece of Jason's arm on a long bomb and caused it to hang and get picked...they are struggling to bounce back from that. Campbell is now being more cautious with this throws, when he can't to! That pick wasn't his fault...he's got to go and be aggressive!
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 7 2008, 09:10 PM
PUMP FAKE THAT JASON!!! THEN THROW IT!
Posted by: snkpoct137 Dec 7 2008, 09:14 PM
man flacco has an arm on him. lucky clayton ran into your boys foot
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 7 2008, 09:15 PM
Campbells got the ability too! They just don't give him the dang time! (ie Suggs being able to hit his arm in the 1st quarter) Now rookie head coach/play caller Zorn will be reluctant to take another shot down the field!
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 7 2008, 09:17 PM
Look at that...the OL gave Jason time to throw and he throws a BEAUTY!!
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 7 2008, 09:21 PM
HAHAHAHA ZORN GIVING THE KICKER THE "STANK EYE" I would have to be starred down like that!
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 7 2008, 09:43 PM
False starts, illegal shifts/formations, holding...why don't you just hand the ball off to Ray Lewis?
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 7 2008, 10:44 PM
Landry just got a huge INT in Ravens territory...come on offense DO SOMETHING!
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 7 2008, 10:45 PM
NICE....no blocking for Campbell AGAIN! Thankfully the kicker made it this time! But I'm fearful that may be their only points!
Posted by: snkpoct137 Dec 7 2008, 10:47 PM
baltimores D is amazing and washingtons O cant do anything!
since getting embarrased by the NYG, baltimore has not allowed an offensive td!
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 7 2008, 10:52 PM
Now them refs better pay us back after calling the fumble on Portis when his elbow was down!!!
Posted by: snkpoct137 Dec 7 2008, 10:57 PM
they did. man this baltimore d is suffocating!
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 7 2008, 10:57 PM
How much more of an opportunity to they need? GET IN THE ENDZONE!
Posted by: snkpoct137 Dec 7 2008, 11:17 PM
and that should do it! ouch
Posted by: Rabs Dec 7 2008, 11:26 PM
Redskins are basically done this year now. They are in last place in the division since the Eagles won. Ouch.
Posted by: snkpoct137 Dec 7 2008, 11:27 PM
Ok i have a question on that INT by reed. Why wasnt that a live ball since nobody touched when he slide down? Actually y did he not try to return it i wonder? Any idea why he couldnt of taken the ball out of Ed's hand?
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 7 2008, 11:28 PM
OUCH! I really think this is a direct result of Zorn and his inexperience as a play caller and head coach!
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 7 2008, 11:29 PM
Just showin off your arm or what Jason? Wow
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Dec 8 2008, 08:25 AM
At least the core and talent is there. Portis is not as durable as was hoped. Huge contrast between the first half and last half of the season. I hope Zorn and took this as a learning experience and would be able to plug up the holes they got.
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 8 2008, 09:36 AM
Zorn clearly had A LOT of learning ahead of him. I knew it was too good to be true earlier in the season...it was almost like he had that "beginners luck." I think they got ahead of themselves after the became 6-2 out of nowhere, and I think those first 8 weeks raised the expectations of the fans and we became "spoiled" so to speak. Everyone was praises the entire team, everyone was really jumping on the Campbell bandwagon and this team was looking pretty decent. But now, dropping 4 of the last 5, you see blogs calling for Jason's head, saying he should be benched now and traded during the off season, you see people calling for Dan Snyder and Zorn's head, saying they should go as well....and these same people all trying to push the entire OL and DL's out of town.
It's clear to see many of these people are being just "slightly" ridiculous, there is no way, realistically that you can just overhaul a team so drastically and come out better than how you started. If it wasn't for the 6-2 start these losses now wouldn't be so bad. These teams struggles come from the fact that Dan Snyder did overhaul the entire coaching staff pretty much. I felt they should have never let Greg Williams and Al Saunders go....and Williams should have become the head coach. Campbell was finally starting to catch on to an offense, cause they actually let him play in it for 2 seasons...this should have been the season for Campbell to really show off what he can do (had the kept Saunders and his offense). It's not Campbells fault he's been thrown into 8 different offenses in his past 9 football seasons. For a man having to deal with that much adversity, I think he has done great. His struggles not stem from a lack-luster, beat up OL that doesn't allow him to finish his drop back most of the time. It's hard enough to excel in a new offense with a great blocking line, but it's dern near impossible to make it in a new offense when you have no time to let the routes develop and throw the ball.
Look at all the successful QB's now and those in the past...that all had 2 things in common, a great pass protecting OL, AND THEY HAD COACHING AND OFFENSIVE CONSISTENCY AND STABILITY! They were kept under the same coaches and the same offensive schemes most of their prosperous careers!
I think this team is really showing where they've been all along. This type of play and this record is a true reflection of Zorn and his rookies head coaching and play calling. These are the "growing pains" in Zorn's progress as a head coach and play caller.
And to those chanting for Brennan to start, I don't understand your logic. Brennan might be a decent QB, I'll give you that. But the fact of the matter is, is that no one, not even the great Tom Brady himself could excel under such poor play calling and pass blocking. Brennan would be on his back, getting balls tipped, and throwing little to no TD's just the same!
Posted by: Rabs Dec 8 2008, 09:57 AM
I understand what you are saying since he had not been touched yet, but usually they blow the play dead when someone just falls down on their own to end the play. Happens a lot with QBs when the slide and what not, same sort of thing. So that's why the play was ruled dead.
Posted by: Mattyt777 Dec 8 2008, 11:24 AM
I haven't felt good about the state of the Redskins since they won the Superbowl in 1991. The fact remains that to win consistently in todays modern era of football you need a franchise qb. The Redskins do not have that in Jason Campbell. My suggestion is to do what the teams that have had sucess in recent history have done. Move up and draft one of these can't miss guys out of college (ie: Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, Jay Cutler). Forget about the mistake you made with Heath Shuler back in 1995 and make an attempt to draft a franchise qb. If Jason Campbell was such a hot commodity coming out of Auburn he would have been a top 5 pick.
If I had my way I'd like to see the Skins draft Matthew Stafford out of Georgia. This guy can make all the throws, has played in the SEC against fantastic competition and is a true pro-style qb.
Oh yea, and Colt Brennan is not the answer
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Dec 8 2008, 11:26 AM
Oh yea, and Colt Brennan is not the answer
Hey!
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 8 2008, 11:41 AM
Oh yea, and Colt Brennan is not the answer
As good as Matthew Stafford is, I don't think he will be a Matt Ryan/Joe Flacco come in and play well right away. Yes, Stafford played in the SEC against great competition, however the SEC in my opinion has been weaker this season than previous seasons.
But lets talk SEC QB's and about there success in the SEC. I recall a man named Jason Campbell leading an Auburn Tiger's team to a 13-0 season earning a share in the National Title, and I believe Jason was the 2005 All SEC Offensive MVP. He played against great competition, and yes he had great talent around him, but being the QB of a 13-0 team in the SEC, and earning SEC Offensive MVP honors...he must have done something right!
You have to realize that Jason is in his 8th offense in 9 seasons through his college career. He's NEVER had a chance to proper and flourish in one offense under the same coach. He's NEVER had consistency, he's always had to learn new techniques, new play terminology, and adapt to learning from different coaches. I'd say he is done pretty well handling all the adversity he has faced. Last season before he got hurt you could see him progressing each and every weeks. He was really growing into Saunders offense, and he was almost at the point where he knew the plays well enough to just execute them instead of having to think about whats supposed to happen on the play.
They what...Snyder fired Saunders...Great move DAN! geez! The fact of the matter is, is that Jason and the rest of this team is on a huge learning curve. Zorn's west coast offense....they are still learning it, Zorn is still implementing new aspects of it every week. Jason and the rest of this team are running plays they are unfamiliar with, they don't know them well enough to just execute them play in and play out. We see glimpses, but thats about it, but that is a good sign that they are progressing. We should have known that it would take more than a season from the offense to get this Zorn system down. This is and should be expected from a team under a new head coach and play caller.
I don't think it's fair to judge Jason on his performance this year...under the circumstances and his lack luster pass protection he's done pretty well learning this offense. The fact of the matter is, is that even though Jason is in his 4th season, he needs at least until through next season if not the next for us to truly access his abilities and talents. It's not until a QB and the rest of the offense fully have grasp on an offense that we change truly judge their abilities.
Posted by: Mattyt777 Dec 8 2008, 12:40 PM
Trust me... I had hoped as much as you did that Jason would end up being the great Redskins qb we have been dying to see for almost 2 decades. The only point I was trying to make was that while Jason did play on a 13-0 Auburn team, he was never thought of as a "franchise qb" coming out of college. Much of Auburns sucess was do to having 2 top 5 NFL drafee RB's in Brown and Williams (plus an insane defense).
I'm not a Georgia homer by any means, but when I recognize talent I immidiately think, "that guy would be great for the Skins!" Stafford to me seems like a guy who can become a great QB in the NFL.
I know that the Redskins have changed offensive coordinators and coaches countless times since Campbell has been there, but this guy is a professional. You learn on the fly and adapt to changes. I think the time has come and gone where you can use that as an excuse. The man is in his 4th season with the Skins and his learning curve should have shrunked considerably compared to an individual straight our of college.
Winning championships is the only thing you are and are not remembered for in this game. The only question I pose is wheather you think Jason Campbell is the guy who can win us a title?
-Matt
But lets talk SEC QB's and about there success in the SEC. I recall a man named Jason Campbell leading an Auburn Tiger's team to a 13-0 season earning a share in the National Title, and I believe Jason was the 2005 All SEC Offensive MVP. He played against great competition, and yes he had great talent around him, but being the QB of a 13-0 team in the SEC, and earning SEC Offensive MVP honors...he must have done something right!
You have to realize that Jason is in his 8th offense in 9 seasons through his college career. He's NEVER had a chance to proper and flourish in one offense under the same coach. He's NEVER had consistency, he's always had to learn new techniques, new play terminology, and adapt to learning from different coaches. I'd say he is done pretty well handling all the adversity he has faced. Last season before he got hurt you could see him progressing each and every weeks. He was really growing into Saunders offense, and he was almost at the point where he knew the plays well enough to just execute them instead of having to think about whats supposed to happen on the play.
They what...Snyder fired Saunders...Great move DAN! geez! The fact of the matter is, is that Jason and the rest of this team is on a huge learning curve. Zorn's west coast offense....they are still learning it, Zorn is still implementing new aspects of it every week. Jason and the rest of this team are running plays they are unfamiliar with, they don't know them well enough to just execute them play in and play out. We see glimpses, but thats about it, but that is a good sign that they are progressing. We should have known that it would take more than a season from the offense to get this Zorn system down. This is and should be expected from a team under a new head coach and play caller.
I don't think it's fair to judge Jason on his performance this year...under the circumstances and his lack luster pass protection he's done pretty well learning this offense. The fact of the matter is, is that even though Jason is in his 4th season, he needs at least until through next season if not the next for us to truly access his abilities and talents. It's not until a QB and the rest of the offense fully have grasp on an offense that we change truly judge their abilities.
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 8 2008, 01:09 PM
-Matt
I agree with you fully on this statement! I say this not because of my invested interest or blind "mancrush" (yes, I said it. You all have one to, don't lie) I have on J Camp...I do think Jason is the guy who can lead this team to a title. You put the same level of talent around him like they did at Auburn and you have it. Campbell by no means is a perfect QB (no one is), he may never be a Joe Montana, Johnny U type guy, but I think he was what it takes to win.
The guy has great potential in this league (yes we are all tired of hearing potential), but you can't disregard what this guy has gone through. Most QB's careers would have been over 2 or 3 seasons ago with so many system and coaching changes. To me Campbell has shown professionalism and the ability to pick up on new offenses quickly. I really think more of this in on Zorn and the OL. The OL is beat to crap, our best guys on the OL are banged up and playing well under 100%. Heyer is a joke, the guy can't do his job... and either the WR's aren't running good routes or Zorns play's just suck! I think it's more on Zorns plays personally. Campbell has made a lot of mistakes, I agree with everyone on that, but it doesn't help the man that the guy drawing up and calling the plays is a rookie when it comes to that. Everything stems down from the coach in my opinion. I think Zorn will be able to become a good coach in the league, but right now he is learning, and in that learning process his mistakes are played out through the players of the field (ie Campbell). Which causes who to look bad? Campbell.
One thing about Campbell though is that he is soft spoken, there really is no vocal leader on the offense. They asked Portis to really step up and be that guy in the offseason but he hasn't. He became a great force on the field, but just another face in the huddle. I think Campbell needs to step it up in the regard, and become a vocal leader in the huddle and really show and sense of ownership over his offensive teammates. I believe he has their respect and they all want to see him succeed, but he needs to step up his intensity level.
About Stafford, I've watched him play a little this year and I think he'll do fine in the NFL, placed into the right system. I just think don't think it's time to give up on Campbell. His play is severely affected by his circumstances, that being a rookie head coach and play caller.
Posted by: Mattyt777 Dec 8 2008, 01:27 PM
I sure hope you are right and I'm praying that Campbell turns into a good QB. The Redskins do have the talent around them to be sucessful though. They drafted 2 WR's in the second round, have a pro bowl type receiver in Moss, a top 3 RB in Portis, and one of the best tight ends in the game. Granted the OL has been beat up, but much like the Patriots do every year... you fill in the gaps!
I agree with you that Campbell needs to become more vocal and the idea of Portis being the team leader is a joke. He's a great player, but the team doesn't look up to him in the way of captain status.
I haven't seen the Skins play with any sense of urgency all year. They won a few close games, but have the talent and ability to be much better then what they have proven so far. The defense has kept them in games they really had no business being even close in on a few occasions.
Yes, Jim Zorn is learning and everyone goes through their bumps and bruises when faced with adversity in a new environment. My final point is that Campbell and the Skins core have been together for the past 4 years. It sometimes seems like their is no continuity within the offense. Whether this is a direct reflection of coaching, play calling, or productivity on the field we will probably never fully know.
The guy has great potential in this league (yes we are all tired of hearing potential), but you can't disregard what this guy has gone through. Most QB's careers would have been over 2 or 3 seasons ago with so many system and coaching changes. To me Campbell has shown professionalism and the ability to pick up on new offenses quickly. I really think more of this in on Zorn and the OL. The OL is beat to crap, our best guys on the OL are banged up and playing well under 100%. Heyer is a joke, the guy can't do his job... and either the WR's aren't running good routes or Zorns play's just suck! I think it's more on Zorns plays personally. Campbell has made a lot of mistakes, I agree with everyone on that, but it doesn't help the man that the guy drawing up and calling the plays is a rookie when it comes to that. Everything stems down from the coach in my opinion. I think Zorn will be able to become a good coach in the league, but right now he is learning, and in that learning process his mistakes are played out through the players of the field (ie Campbell). Which causes who to look bad? Campbell.
One thing about Campbell though is that he is soft spoken, there really is no vocal leader on the offense. They asked Portis to really step up and be that guy in the offseason but he hasn't. He became a great force on the field, but just another face in the huddle. I think Campbell needs to step it up in the regard, and become a vocal leader in the huddle and really show and sense of ownership over his offensive teammates. I believe he has their respect and they all want to see him succeed, but he needs to step up his intensity level.
About Stafford, I've watched him play a little this year and I think he'll do fine in the NFL, placed into the right system. I just think don't think it's time to give up on Campbell. His play is severely affected by his circumstances, that being a rookie head coach and play caller.
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 8 2008, 01:38 PM
I agree with you that Campbell needs to become more vocal and the idea of Portis being the team leader is a joke. He's a great player, but the team doesn't look up to him in the way of captain status.
I haven't seen the Skins play with any sense of urgency all year. They won a few close games, but have the talent and ability to be much better then what they have proven so far. The defense has kept them in games they really had no business being even close in on a few occasions.
Yes, Jim Zorn is learning and everyone goes through their bumps and bruises when faced with adversity in a new environment. My final point is that Campbell and the Skins core have been together for the past 4 years. It sometimes seems like their is no continuity within the offense. Whether this is a direct reflection of coaching, play calling, or productivity on the field we will probably never fully know.
Great points you've made and I can agree with most! I honestly, truly believe that their lack-luster, luke warm approach on offense is a direct link to Zorns "stay medium" theology. I think that is a joke! This is football, it's a game of passion and emotion. You don't win the battle up front having a "medium" mindset.
The Skins do have the playmakers to produce on offense, they just haven't gelled yet. When they were 6-2 it really seemed like there was a since of continuity...but I think we were all fooled. Portis' being banged us has really hurt the offense, but we have Betts, hes proved he can produce 1000yds and carry the load. Let Portis rest and hand it over to Betts for a couple weeks (should have happened after the Steelers game).
I really think during the 6-2 run Zorn was calling some good games, with the right plays at the right time. It's almost as if he's out smarting himself now, or second guessing his calls. He's going to safe route, not willing to take a risk...the safe route leads you straight to your lazyboy in January. Zorn has to get back to the plays that this offense knows and feels comfortable executing, and he has to start taking some risks.
Also, calling the safe route doesn't show your QB or the rest of your offense you believe in them. An offense that feels it's coach doesn't believe in them is an offense that doesn't produce.
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 8 2008, 01:45 PM
Just announced on redskins.com starting pro bowl tackle Chris Samuels is out for the season! Could things get any better?
Posted by: Mattyt777 Dec 8 2008, 01:55 PM
This just in! Redskins to draft Matthew Stafford with the first pick in the 2009 draft!!!
Sorry, couldn't resist
Sucks about Samuels
Posted by: snkpoct137 Dec 8 2008, 02:01 PM
Sorry, couldn't resist
Sucks about Samuels
if hes around that long! i really hope the lions dont pull the trigger at #1
losing samuels really hurts. a lot has to go right for the skins to make the playoffs and it doesnt look like that will happen...
Posted by: Mattyt777 Dec 8 2008, 02:36 PM
losing samuels really hurts. a lot has to go right for the skins to make the playoffs and it doesnt look like that will happen...
No chance we make the playoffs this year. Unfortunately, I think we're staring 8-8 straight in the face
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Dec 8 2008, 02:51 PM
Campbell will not be the starter for the next game.... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/news/story?id=2982067
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 8 2008, 03:20 PM
Funny, article is dated 2007! Anyways, Zorn had this to say about Campbell's performance last night:
“I thought he did pretty good,” Zorn said. “He stood strong and was in the face of tremendous pressure…. I was very proud of how he took the punishment. He missed on a couple of things; he wasn’t perfect, but he stood strong. We got him into a couple things where he had to make the right audible, and he did.”
-Coach Zorn Monday 12/8/2008
Posted by: Mattyt777 Dec 8 2008, 03:38 PM
losing samuels really hurts. a lot has to go right for the skins to make the playoffs and it doesnt look like that will happen...
How bout this.
I'll trade you Jason Campbell and our 2009 first round pick and our 2nd round pick for the number 1 overall?
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 8 2008, 03:40 PM
I'll trade you Jason Campbell and our 2009 first round pick and our 2nd round pick for the number 1 overall?
Now you sound like Dan Snyder...and we all know how well his strategies have worked out
Posted by: snkpoct137 Dec 8 2008, 05:23 PM
I'll trade you Jason Campbell and our 2009 first round pick and our 2nd round pick for the number 1 overall?
as the gm of the lions i respectfully decline. We will be taking Michael Oher with that pick
actually that is a good offer but i doubt the skins side would do that
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 8 2008, 08:53 PM
actually that is a good offer but i doubt the skins side would do that
I sure hope not!
Posted by: Kiansdad Dec 9 2008, 05:38 PM
Yea, http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/12/portis_smashes_zorn_the_quotes.html
Portis Smashes Jim Zorn: The Quotes [Updated]
So we officially have a chemistry problem. Clinton Portis unloaded on Jim Zorn during today's John Thompson Show appearance, over and over again. He swore, he suggested maybe he should go on the injured reserve, he offered to become a cheerleader, and he said this, when asked what adjustments should be made.
"We got a genius for a head coach, I don't know, I'm sure he on top of things. He's got everything figured out. Hey, that's up to him. All I can do is when he calls a play is go out and try to execute to the best of my ability."
And then later, on the big picture, he had this to say:
"I don't know where it went wrong, all I know is it's going wrong. So, you know, maybe I'm the problem. Maybe I'm the problem since I don't' practice, since I'm the only person that don't practice and come out and play and try to give it what I've got, maybe I'm the problem. So I might need to be on IR."
Zorn's response, an hour later, to Portis's claims that he was benched?
"Well, any time you don't go in, that's the way you feel," Zorn said. "And he is a big part of our offense and he's sitting on the bench, he's got to feel like he's benched, I don't blame him for that."
And Zorn on the IR question: "No, I think he's gotten himself healthy, I think he felt a lot better after this game and I'm looking forward to having him out there on every snap, practicing [and] getting ready for the Cincinnati Bengals so we can use him as our every down back."
And lastly, Zorn on the practice issue: "It wasn't that we weren't getting the running ability, he was doing great things, his effort was high. He would tell you this and I agree with him wholeheartedly, that when he is playing the game he's giving you his best effort and I've said this over and over again, he's very wicked on the playing field, he's what you want....Each week I felt like in certain parts of the game he was getting out on routes but it wasn't exact and quick. And I thought, 'ok here's an opportunity for us to get Ladell in, who HAS practiced.' And he knows it just because he's rehearsed it and rehearsed it. I think [Portis is] a confident player and he would believe he can do it without reps, I just made the decision not to give him that chance.
More Portis quotes (and this will keep updating until I'm done transcribing):
On his coaches: "If my coaches don't feel like I can get it done, put me on the sidelines. You feel like I can help this team, put me on the field, and that's all I've got to say about it. I don't have to confront them. They know what they've got. They know what's standing on the sideline. Five weeks ago, three weeks ago, four weeks ago when I'm sitting first in the NFL and all of the sudden we don't run the ball no more? I'm hurt, and that's why we ain't running it? Cmon. You [kidding] me?"
On the lines of communication: "It ain't lack of communication with me because that's some BS to go out and say I don't know what's going on. When have I missed a meeting? Let me start missing meetings. Let me not come out and practice, let me sit my ###### in the training room if I don't know what's going on. What am I standing outside for?"
On being benched: "You know, I think when you come to me man it's just a matter of who wants to see me out. You know, London Fletcher played in the game and didn't practice all week. All of the sudden it gets aggravating to [see me] standing on the sideline and you see me step into something and pick it up and understand what's going on. I haven't missed a meeting, I haven't missed a practice. I'm outside, I hear everything everybody else hears. It kind of shocked me too, but hey that's what the man said. You go back and watch film, I guarantee you won't see me make no mistakes. Maybe he's watching a different film than me."
On his understanding of the situation: "If it's an issue with me, you tell me that. Outside of Jim Zorn and the coaches on that team and maybe the quarterbacks, I guarantee you I know our system better than anybody else, I guarantee when we go over blitz pickups I don't miss my man. I don't know what it is, bro. If anybody got a problem with me, they need to talk to me. I don't know whats going on."
On his plans: "I'm gonna go out there and try to make sure I don't get hurt and I'll make sure I get out in every pass route. If my man ain't coming, I ain't chipping nobody, I ain't doing nothing I ain't supposed to do. I'm gonna get out in my pass route and that's where I'll be. If somebody else give up a sack or anything else, that's on them."
On communication: "Hey, they don't tell me nothing. They don't have to answer to me bro. One day it's fun, it's nice, you smile, you happy for me, you appreciate the way I play on the field, you just wish I would practice. If I could practice, I'd practice. If my injuries weren't legit than the training room wouldn't hold me out, they'd have me on the field. I think people get caught up into the conversation of the media but then tell you not to get caught up into the conversation....
"I go out there and give it everything I've got. If I can run through the week I'd practice, if I can't then I ain't. And I'm not gonna force myself to go onto a field and do something crazy, and then all of the sudden I'm out. What I need to be around for is Sundays and that's what I try to be around for. So I mean, if you've got a problem with me not practicing and can't do it that way, maybe you feel like you need to sever ties, split ties with me? Split ties with me. But don't sit here and throw me out like I don't pay attention, like I don't know what's going on, like I'm making mistakes, I'm the problem. You know, so, it is what it is, bro."
On his blocking assignments: "You know, one day it's chip on your way out, then if you don't chip and you get out and the quarterback gets sacked it's like, 'Oh, you need to help this man out.' So they don't know what they want. They want you to chip, they want you to block, Jason's on his ###### all game long, you're trying to stay in and help, and then it's, 'Oh, you should have gone out, they was coming to you.'
"I've been wide open, they don't come to me. But then he over there and came free and he done got the wind knocked out of him from getting sacked and getting hit in the back, then it's, 'Aw man you've got to help out, you've got to chip.' So you know, I don't think they know what they want me to do. You know, when things going good you're getting praised. I don't know if people getting aggravated with me getting attention. I don't know what it is."
On how he'd like to be used: "Hey, bro, it ain't rocket science how to use me. They can figure that out. If they want to put the ball in my hands I can try to help the team win. They don't I'll try to do whatever I can. If I need to cheer Ladell on, I'll cheer Ladell on. I'm not gonna be bitter about the situation. I think Ladell went int and made some big plays. When he came off to the sideline I was the first one sitting there to talk with him about what I seen, which wasn't much, but I think he did a hell of a job."
On his health: "I'm fine. I'm totally healthy after not playing against Baltimore. So the good thing about it is I'll be at practice tomorrow."
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 9 2008, 06:54 PM
haha! Bout time someone on this team is getting fired up!! Could Zorn have taken a page out of the Andy Reid book? After seeing how McNabb has played after being sat at halftime...maybe it's what this team needed
But all in all I don't feel Zorn has a full grasp on everything, but it's understandable. He's doing something he's never done before!
Posted by: Rabs Dec 9 2008, 09:25 PM
Portis is right and if it wasn't for him this year the Skins would have no more than a couple wins.
Posted by: fsabala Dec 10 2008, 11:03 AM
i think zorn did the right thing. every part of portis's body is pretty banged up and zorn was just trying to protect his best player especially against a team like the ravens.
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 10 2008, 11:49 AM
Yes, and that he is PO'd he'll take the anger out on the Bungals!
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 14 2008, 01:29 PM
why?
Posted by: bigalexx Dec 14 2008, 01:40 PM
Getting Slaughtered by the Bengals.
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 14 2008, 01:41 PM
Yup...
Posted by: snkpoct137 Dec 14 2008, 01:46 PM
yea this one is gonna sting... i guess i shoulda never picked up and started washingtons D
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 14 2008, 01:57 PM
down 17 to the Bengals...not even a 1st down as been made
Posted by: ffman Dec 14 2008, 01:59 PM
The Redskins are falling apart?
Texans are beating the Titans.
Posted by: snkpoct137 Dec 14 2008, 01:59 PM
thats because of cincinattis great defense!
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 14 2008, 03:17 PM
or Zorn's great play calling
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 14 2008, 03:18 PM
or the Redskins OL penalties!
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Dec 14 2008, 03:23 PM
Bengals will blow their lead no matter what. It's tradition!
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 14 2008, 04:05 PM
Well, that's about it! Stupid penalties, poor redzone/goalline play calling, sloppy play and a lack on intensity causes us a loss to the now 2-11-1 Bengals.
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 14 2008, 04:18 PM
ESPN Radio 980 is currently discussing the future of Coach Zorn...almost seems as if they feel he is gone after this season!
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Dec 14 2008, 04:19 PM
Bring in Cowher.
Posted by: ffman Dec 14 2008, 04:21 PM
I guess I can join the Lions/Redskins crowd today. While we are playoff-bound, I can't believe the coaching decision that Fischer made and the lackluster play of Collins.
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 14 2008, 04:24 PM
I'm a partial Texans fan, and I was stoked to see that game AJ had!
Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Dec 14 2008, 04:25 PM
Why would you bang your head against the wall if she already said "yes"?
In other words, why risk anything that might ruin your chances of going far in the playoffs?
Posted by: ffman Dec 14 2008, 04:36 PM
Attempting a field goal with a very good kicker is not risking anything. It's common sense kind of.
In other words, why risk anything that might ruin your chances of going far in the playoffs?
Posted by: tex333 Dec 14 2008, 07:56 PM
Ah, how the mighty have fallen.
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 14 2008, 08:00 PM
Things have definitely changed....but I am rooting for those Giants tonight!
Posted by: CardCraze Dec 14 2008, 08:35 PM
Same!
Posted by: Stlouisrams1600 Dec 14 2008, 08:39 PM
Who Is'nt?
Posted by: snkpoct137 Dec 14 2008, 08:41 PM
ME
GOOO Cowboys!
Posted by: Rabs Dec 14 2008, 09:54 PM
The Redskins are such a pain to watch lately. It looks like they don't have a clue out there and I blame the coaches first and foremost. This team is a huge letdown after a great start...
Posted by: ljmaya Dec 14 2008, 09:57 PM
^5 to snkpoct137 I say go Cowboys as well.
As far as the field goal goes remember the hurricane damaging the roof in Reliant stadium. The wind affects that area of the field that the Titans were driving at the time. So that affected coach Fischer's decision.
Have you guys heard about the new appetizer they will be serving to all Redskins fans at all restaurants come playoff time? It is called Couch Potato Skins lol.
Lon
Posted by: snkpoct137 Dec 14 2008, 09:58 PM
yea its sad when you start 6-2 and then go 1-5 in the next 6 and your only win is a come from behind win against a winless team . What in the world happened?
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 14 2008, 10:04 PM
Everyone will have their own opinion to that question, but we may never really know the truth. But I agree with Rabs...it does all stem from the coaches.
Posted by: ljmaya Dec 14 2008, 10:19 PM
after the loss to the Cowboys I guess things got Zorn apart lol.
Lon
Posted by: bigalexx Dec 14 2008, 10:39 PM
Where is the reason to believe?
Sorry, I had to...
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 14 2008, 10:40 PM
Lon
Lon, you always know how to put a spin on things
I think "IT" started before that game though...
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 14 2008, 10:41 PM
Sorry, I had to...
It was left behind in Week 9 or so
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 16 2008, 03:38 PM
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
Posted: December 15 @ 2008)
In Tough Stretch, Zorn to 'Reevaluate' His Approach
On Sunday afternoon, just 15 minutes after the Redskins lost to the Cincinnati Bengals 20-13, Jim Zorn was resolute.
He would “stand strong and firm” after the loss dropped the Redskins to 7-7.
A once-promising season was slipping away for Zorn and the Redskins. He remained focused on “building a foundation”--a phrase he has used several times over the last few weeks.
“I am frustrated, and believe me it is heartfelt,” he said during his post-game press conference at Paul Brown Stadium. “I can sense all these emotions beginning to well up within me because things have not gone our way as of late. I am also objective enough to see that we do have a long way to go.
“I am confident enough in my abilities to stand strong and firm. That is what I am going to do.”
Twenty-four hours later, Zorn was back at a podium, this time at Redskins Park for his regular Monday media session.
Early in his remarks, Zorn accepted responsibility for the team’s performance.
“It’s hard,” he said. “I’m not sure I could ask any more of the players. I just keep asking them to give more and more. They really give it so much and it has been hard. At the beginning of the season, we asked so much of them and they responded well. I think in these last six games, I think we’ve asked a lot of them and they have responded well.
“I really feel like I have to look at myself. I gave the players the opportunity to stay away [from Redskins Park] on Monday. To me, I need to check my plan of attack. All of our staff--we need to reevaluate what we’re doing to see if we’re going in the right direction.
“I really believe we’re building a good foundation, but certainly we need to get stronger across the board. And I certainly have to take--and I do take--the responsibility for some of these games that have not turned out like we had planned.”
Zorn did not get into specifics of what coaches would reevaluate this week, but he emphasized that it would include game planning.
“We always ask our players to be very self-critical, so that’s what I’m going to be to myself--just really criticize my overall coaching of this football team,” he said. “Where do I need to improve, not only on Sunday but on Wednesdays and Mondays and every other day of the week?
“All of the things that go into game planning and attention to detail--those are things that we have to study.”
Asked if the problem was scheme or if players were not responding to coaches, Zorn replied: “I think that’s it--not responding to the specific coaching. We need to be more specific. We need to notch our game up as coaches, because we’re not getting the win.”
The Redskins’ fall has been a surprising development in the second half of the NFL season.
Everything clicked for the Redskins in the months of September and October as the team jumped out to a 6-2 record.
Now the Redskins have lost four of their last five games to fall to the outskirts of the NFC playoff race.
Some have questioned whether Zorn, as a rookie head coach, is overburdened because he also calls offensive plays. The offense has slipped to 17th in the league after the Cincinnati game.
“If I am [overburdened], then I’m going to let that all take it’s course as I try to figure some of these things out and why we’re losing,” Zorn said. “But I haven’t felt overwhelmed calling plays, I haven’t felt overwhelmed in speaking about Jason Campbell’s game and trying to get him up to speed, and I think I’ve gotten pretty good response.”
Meantime, the Redskins have two games left, starting with this Sunday’s game against the Philadelphia Eagles at FedExField. They can still finish with a winning record, a reasonable accomplishment given the team’s struggles.
Asked if some of the team’s rookies and young players would start to get more playing time, Zorn replied: “I think they’re already participating, and I think you can do some of that, but I’m not going to throw in the towel, ever, and we’re going out to win. We’re not necessarily going out to evaluate.
“I feel just sick that we started out so fast. I think about how the fans feel, how [the media] must feel, because of the progression that we started with. And then to run so flat. So I think we owe it to everybody to win, and however we have to get that done, we will.”
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 18 2008, 01:04 AM
Redskins Legend Sammy Baugh Passes Away
Sammy Baugh, who set numerous passing records with the Washington Redskins in an era when NFL teams were running most every down, died Wednesday night, his son said.
Baugh, who was 94 and had numerous health issues, died at Fisher County Hospital in Rotan, Tex., David Baugh said.
David Baugh said his father had battled Alzheimer’s and dementia for several years. He had been ill recently with kidney problems, low blood pressure and double pneumonia.
"It wasn’t the same Sam we all knew," his son told The Associated Press. "He just finally wore out."
Sammy Baugh was the last surviving member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame’s inaugural class.
After starring at TCU, "Slingin’ Sammy" Baugh played with the Redskins from 1937 to 1952.
"Sammy Baugh embodied all we aspire to at the Washington Redskins," Redskins owner Dan Snyder said. "He was a competitor in everything he did and a winner. He was one of the greatest to ever play the game of football, and one of the greatest the Redskins ever had. My thoughts and prayers are with his family tonight."
While he was noted for his passing, Baugh was one of the best all-around players of his day. One season he led the league in passing, defensive interceptions and punting. In one game, he threw four touchdown passes and intercepted four passes. He threw six touchdowns in a game--twice--and kicked an 85-yard punt.
"There’s nobody any better than Sam Baugh was in pro football," Don Maynard, a fellow West Texas Hall of Famer who played for Baugh, said in a 2002 interview. "When I see somebody picking the greatest player around, to me, if they didn’t go both ways, they don’t really deserve to be nominated. I always ask, ’Well, how’d he do on defense? How was his punting?’"
When Baugh entered the NFL, the forward pass was so rare that it was unveiled mostly in desperate situations. But Baugh passed any time.
As a rookie in 1937, Baugh completed a record 81 passes (about seven a game) and led the league with 1,127 yards. At the time, only six passers averaged three completions a game that year. He went on to lead the league in passing six times.
Baugh still holds Redskins records for career touchdown passes (187) and completion percentage in a season (70.3). His 31 interceptions on defense are third on the team’s career list. He still owns the league mark for single-season punting average (51.4).
"He was amazing, just tremendously accurate," Eddie LeBaron, who took over as Washington’s quarterback in Baugh’s last season, said in a 2002 interview. "He could always find a way to throw it off balance. I’ve seen him throw the ball overarm, sidearm and underarm and complete them."
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Sammy Baugh
Baugh guided the Redskins to five title games and two championships, playing his entire career without a face mask. His No. 33 is the only jersey Washington has retired.
Baugh’s reputation blossomed as a star high school football, baseball and basketball player in Sweetwater. It began to grow during his college days at TCU.
It was there that he picked up the nickname "Slingin’ Sammy"--but it wasn’t for his passing. It was for the rockets he fired to first base as a shortstop and third baseman.
"Everybody thought I was a better baseball player growing up," he said in 2002. "I thought I was going to be a big league baseball player."
As an All-American football player, he led TCU to a 29-7-3 mark, including Sugar Bowl and Cotton Bowl victories. He masterfully executed an early ancestor of the West Coast offense at TCU, and he credits Horned Frogs coach Dutch Meyer with his NFL success.
"I was a little ahead of a lot of football players in those days because of Dutch," he said.
Baugh was known to make blunt, witty remarks.
After the Redskins’ 73-0 loss to the Chicago Bears in the 1940 championship, a writer asked if the outcome would have been different had an end not dropped an early touchdown pass.
"Yeah," drawled Baugh. "It would have been 73-7."
Baugh was known for his reclusiveness.
After his NFL career, Baugh retreated to his 7,600-acre West Texas ranch about 95 miles southeast of Lubbock. The Hall of Fame and the Redskins have tried to lure him east for ceremonies over the years, and he always turned them down.
For years he drove to Snyder three or four times a week for golf, until sore knees, searing heat and the 100-mile round trip made those outings too tough.
But he always enjoyed football season.
"I’ll watch it all ###### day long," Baugh, who often sprinkled his conversation with mild obscenities, told The Associated Press in a 2002 interview. "I like the football they play. They got bigger boys, and they’ve also got these ###### speed merchants that we didn’t have in those days. I’d love to be quarterback this day and time."
He bought the Double Mountain Ranch, named for two hills that jut out of the flat earth north of his house, in 1941. He and his wife, Edmonia, who died in 1990, raised five children on the arid expanse covered with mesquite trees, prickly pear cactus and about 500 cows.
He came to the ranch full time in the mid-1960s, after several two years coaching the New York Titans and a year with the Houston Oilers.
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 28 2008, 02:21 PM
Where my 'Skins fans been at over Christmas?
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 31 2008, 01:13 AM
Zorn Needs Campbell to Take the Next Step
At some point, Jason Campbell, who has started 36 games over the past three seasons, has to make his move from young talent into fully fledged NFL quarterback.
In the Redskins’ season finale at at San Francisco’s Candlestick Park, Campbell showed glimpses of doing just that.
Head coach Jim Zorn has to be hoping that the way Campbell rallied his team in the fourth quarter of the 49ers game has a carryover effect.
With the Redskins trailing the 49ers 24-17 with 4:57 left, Campbell hit Chris Cooley twice and Santana Moss once for clutch gains.
Campbell’s 23-yard scramble to the San Francisco 10 with 3:00 left was a determined effort. It was topped only by his 2-yard dash for a touchdown on fourth down with 1:15 left.
The 49ers would go on to win the game 27-24 on Joe Nedney’s 39-yard field goal at the end of regulation.
Still, Zorn was encouraged by Campbell’s performance following a season that its share of ups and downs.
He remains committed to Campbell as his starting quarterback for next season.
“He stayed in there mentally,” Zorn said of the game-tying drive. “I was on him to stay in there mentally, and he did. He threw the ball accurately, read [the defense] well. Jason had a great effort on some of the runs that he made. Smart runs. Competitive runs. It kept us in the ball game. He made some very good decisions, very good throws. I’m very proud of what he did.”
Of the issues facing the Redskins as they begin to think about 2009, Campbell has to be at or near the top of the list.
Does he have what it takes to play consistent football, provide leadership at the vital position, and take a solid step forward in the ranks of the NFL’s quarterback fraternity?
He has done all of the above since earning his first NFL start at Tampa Bay in November of 2006.
It’s just that he hasn’t done enough of them as frequently and as consistently as the position perhaps demands.
Campbell is the quarterback Zorn inherited when he made the sudden move from quarterbacks coach in Seattle to offensive coordinator and then head coach in Washington.
Zorn expects to w0rk with Campbell one on one this offseason, both in the classroom and on the practice fields at Redskins Park, just like he did last offseason.
"His footwork was poor when I got here last [offseason]," Zorn said. "It got a lot better and I think everybody would agree with that. It’s going to get even better this offseason. There are things I’m going to ask him to do, to work on."
He added: "I want to him to continue playing lower, being able to have great rhythm at the top of the drop. When he plants that foot, coming forward and letting the ball go, I want to improve that. We’ll work on drills that enhance that."
Campbell, of course, is banking on the fact that he won’t have to learn a new offense this offseason, something he has had to do three of four seasons in the NFL.
“It will give me and Coach Zorn the opportunity to go back and watch a lot of things on film and see what things we need to adjust for next season,” the quarterback said. “We intend to do it together, so we can see what we need to improve on offensively, so we can score more points. We need to be the big threat that we were early in the season and maintain that throughout the whole season.”
Overall, the Redskins scored just 265 points this year. That’s three less than 0-16 Detroit and 28th in the NFL. It’s a surprising stat, given that the Redskins had four offensive Pro Bowlers.
Campbell finished the season with 315-of-506 completions for 3,145 yards, 13 touchdowns and six interceptions. His QB rating was 84.3, 19th best in the league.
Asked if he felt comfortable in Zorn’s offense, Campbell said: "I feel comfortable. I think we need to develop more of a downfield attack this offseason to put more pressure on teams. Overall, I feel comfortable with everything as far as making the reads, making the drops and getting the ball out."
Another year with Zorn should help everyone on the offensive side of the ball, Campbell said.
“The main thing we have to understand in the offseason is that we have to prepare,” he said. “Coach Zorn was in his first year as a head coach last season, so this offseason he will adjust as far as how we approach games and what we do practice-wise.
“For players, it’s an opportunity for us to come back as a stronger team after all of this and understand that we can be a really good team. We showed it early in the year. We just have to show it all 16 games and play at a high level each and every week. It’s tough because you play a lot of tough teams and you get injuries, but we have to try to push through those things and continue to fight.”
Zorn said Monday that he’s looking for ways to improve the entire offense for 2009, including the quarterback position. He said the West Coast system is sound and praised the work of offensive assistant Chris Meidt, who works with Campbell and the quarterbacks.
Zorn went on to say that he will stay involved in coaching the quarterbacks as well as calling the plays in 2009.
“We got better at the quarterback position as this season went along,” Zorn maintained. “We’ll get better at the quarterback position this offseason so you’ll see the results next year."
Posted by: Gforce083 Dec 31 2008, 11:39 AM
Featured on www.thecooleyzone.com Chris Cooley and Clinton Portis play a round of Pack Wars w/ 2008 Leaf Limited Football. Pretty entertaining http://vimeo.com/2614863
Posted by: joe31 Dec 31 2008, 11:44 AM
Thats pretty cool to watch. Nice Kevin Smith
Posted by: xanderthegreat35 Dec 31 2008, 11:52 AM
a cut and that sick kevin smith. I might get a box of that stuff.
Posted by: Gforce083 Jan 6 2009, 12:34 AM
Don't forget about the Skins!!!
Posted by: Gforce083 Feb 27 2009, 12:33 AM
CB D. Hall just signed to a 6 Year $54mil deal! Personally, I'm happy with the signing. I does seem like a little too much money but he did prove himself well over the last half of the season with the 'Skins. He will be a great successor to Shawn Springs.
Posted by: chopinalex Feb 27 2009, 12:57 AM
haha G you make me laugh
I does seem like!!!!
Posted by: snkpoct137 Feb 27 2009, 07:38 AM
what about haynesworth and his 100 mill. Looks like your free angency is done
Posted by: Gforce083 Feb 27 2009, 05:15 PM
Haha, yeah I'm not sure how I feel about Hayney...he seems to only have really stepped up and preformed during contract years. Now he's got a guaranteed $30mil...no need to "prove" himself anymore ya know.
$156mil spent in less than 24 hours...Dan, what about me can I get just half a mil? haha
LEAVE SOME MONEY FOR THE DRAFT PICKS TOO I HEAR BRYAN ORAKPO LIKES THE CHEESE TOO!!
Posted by: baseballguy601 Feb 28 2009, 02:42 PM
Wow. Just call 'em the Yankees!
Posted by: snkpoct137 Mar 2 2009, 04:16 PM
byebye Jason Taylor
Posted by: jleaseburg Mar 2 2009, 04:19 PM
Like he had any impact on the team. Dude couldn't stay healthy the entire season. Should have stayed away from dancing with the stars.
Posted by: joe31 Mar 2 2009, 04:23 PM
I wonder if Taylor will retire now...
Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 2 2009, 05:22 PM
He has already commited to coming back this next season. Why would he go bye bye...the addition of Albert only helps Jason's case (if he is healthy). They can't double team Jason and Albert (remember Jason is a DE and Albert is a DT, not the same position). Get ready to eat dirt ROMO!
Posted by: RedskinsFan12 Mar 2 2009, 05:28 PM
I may be wrong, but I heard Taylor wasn't willing to agree to add a part in his contract stating he had to participate in some offseason workouts, so they cut him.
Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 2 2009, 05:33 PM
So I stand corrected... as of TODAY MARCH 2nd
On March 02, 2009, 34 year-old defensive end Jason Taylor was released by the Washington Redskins for refusing to participate in off-season conditioning programs. His career with the Reskins was marked by generally poor performance and lingering injuries which prevented the former Pro-Bowler from contributing effectively.
Posted by: snkpoct137 Mar 2 2009, 05:35 PM
On March 02, 2009, 34 year-old defensive end Jason Taylor was released by the Washington Redskins for refusing to participate in off-season conditioning programs. His career with the Reskins was marked by generally poor performance and lingering injuries which prevented the former Pro-Bowler from contributing effectively.
i was gonna say i guess u didnt see this
after all that spending and washington still doesnt even have the best defense in the east
Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 2 2009, 06:00 PM
after all that spending and washington still doesnt even have the best defense in the east
None the less the D was ranked 4th in the league last season
Posted by: snkpoct137 Mar 2 2009, 06:14 PM
yea and no playoffs
it was last year son !
Posted by: Rabs Mar 4 2009, 02:07 PM
it was last year son !Yeah the defense was fine the offense was the issue. So far they haven't addressed anything on the offensive side other than bringing back the OL Dockery.
Posted by: snkpoct137 Mar 4 2009, 03:25 PM
dont worry i see the skins drafting Oher/A. Smith/Britton
whichever is available
Posted by: Rabs Mar 4 2009, 04:21 PM
whichever is available
Yeah as do I.
Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 9 2009, 01:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKjT0GTMOag&eurl=http://blog.redskins.com/&feature=player_embedded
Chris Cooley and Jason Campbell's latest release...in a spoof of the Classic 80's hit Top Gun style.
Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 22 2009, 03:33 PM
Internet rumors abound!!! Jason Campbell & Chris Cooley have been rumored to have been in trade talks that would send them both to Denver or Cleveland. All because of this Jay Cutler drama....
I'm happy to report that the official blog of the Redskins is reporting that all rumored talks are just that and GM V Cerrito says "Jason Campbell is our quarterback"
Posted by: marcus42 Mar 22 2009, 10:44 PM
Its Cooley hearing hear say...no chance that trade would happen, I'd love Cooley in Cleveland in general since he's a tough player. Not a big Campbell fan though, just never really preferred him.
Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 22 2009, 11:17 PM
Just wait until you see him play this season...boys in the 2nd season under the same coordinator and system. Only the 2nd time that's happened in his career since college...he will be a force to be reckoned with!
Posted by: skin21rip Mar 23 2009, 11:32 AM
^ well as a 2x probowler i think he has already been a FORCE(LOL)
Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 23 2009, 11:39 AM
I was talking about J Camp
Posted by: skin21rip Mar 23 2009, 11:46 AM
miss read the top. post that you replied to
Posted by: Rabs Mar 23 2009, 09:36 PM
I'm a Skins fan but Campbell still has a lot to prove. I just wish the offense allowed him to throw more deep passes.
Posted by: RedskinsFan12 Mar 25 2009, 05:13 PM
Campbell will definitely benefit from the same system for a second year, and hopefully we will improve our o-line/get players back from injury so that Campbell actually has time to throw the ball. I think he will have a great season.
Posted by: Gforce083 Mar 26 2009, 12:21 PM
While http://chriscooley47.blogspot.com/2009/03/dear-dennis.html with Cleveland Fans, Jason Campbell is reacting to the offseason talk/trade rumors that have been swirling around him.
After reading the article I now know even more why I like this guy. Campbell has always been a class act and some who is willing to do anything and everything it takes to win no matter how hard he might have to work. Take a moment to read the artcle and react!
Original Article Here: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/26/campbell-looking-for-a-signal-of-trust/
Campbell: I want to stay with Redskins
Knowing full well his on-field actions and not off-field words will determine his future as the Washington Redskins' quarterback, Jason Campbell nonetheless remains unequivocal in his desire to stay with the franchise that drafted him four years ago.
But do the Redskins, despite their purported pursuit of Denver's Jay Cutler and the fact they are working out Southern California's Mark Sanchez, want Campbell?
"That's up to them," he said after a workout Tuesday at Redskin Park. "I definitely want to stay here. I like the D.C. area, and I like the fan support. I do think we're a team that can win in the near future, and I do think we're a team whose turn it will be to rip off wins year after year after year.
"Hopefully I can do things so they can know I'm their guy and I can take us where they want to go. I would like to get to the point where I know they really trust me."
Campbell, 16-20 since taking over the starting job in November 2006, enters the final season of his five-year contract with a salary cap number of $3.89 million. Unlike many other teams, the Redskins have adopted a wait-and-see attitude instead of locking up their young passer.
Campbell will be an unrestricted free agent in 2011, but if the owners and NFL Players Association don't extend the current collective bargaining agreement, he will be a restricted free agent (players will need six years of service to be unrestricted) and the Redskins could match any contract offer.
"I don't have a new contract, but I can't worry about it," he said. "I'll let my agent [Joel Segal] and the media worry about it. The only thing I can do is prepare to have my best season."
Even teams with established quarterbacks work out prospects, so Campbell shouldn't be alarmed that Sanchez is coming to town. And Campbell brushed off any concern about the Cutler rumors, which the Redskins denied.
"I smiled about it and said, 'Here we go again,' " Campbell said. "It went over my head. It's March, and people want things to talk about. Everybody's into the quarterback and anything that's going on with him.
"I felt like I had good numbers last year," Campbell added. "We weren't a straight-up passing team - they passed more in Denver. In the first half, when our guys were healthy, we were rolling, and the only thing stopping us was us. A lot of things unfolded in the second that didn't go our way. I feel I can be a top quarterback in the league, so that talk didn't bother me at all."
Campbell had 13 touchdowns and six interceptions to go with 3,245 yards last season. Cutler, whose Broncos also went 8-8 and missed the playoffs, posted totals of 25 touchdowns, 18 interceptions and 4,526 yards.
Campbell said he already has been able to separate the playing side from the business side.
"What we do is fun, but you have to take care of yourself, too, and at the end of the day it's a business," he said. "I can't sit here and worry about being judged on every throw I make. I can't start to say, 'I just threw a ball in the dirt; I won't get a new contract' or 'I just overthrew a touchdown pass; I'm not getting a new contract.' "
Campbell seemed a lock to get a new deal when the Redskins were 6-2 at the halfway point and averaged 364.3 yards and 20.5 points a game. By the end of the season, those numbers had dropped to 320 yards and 16.6 points.
It should be duly noted that running back Clinton Portis battled nagging injuries the entire second half and the lack of production from rookies Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly and Fred Davis gave Campbell only two reliable targets: Santana Moss and Chris Cooley.
Regardless, Campbell is "encouraged" with the pieces in place.
Rod Lamkey Jr. / The Washington Times Jason Campbell: "I can't sit here and worry about being judged on every throw I make."
"Even during the 2-6 [finish], there were chances to make plays and flip that to 6-2 or, at worst, 4-4," he said. "I've met with [coach Jim Zorn] twice this offseason and had long conversations both times about the things we're going to do and the things we're going to change up offensively to try and score more points. We'll do a lot of experimenting during the minicamps and OTAs and see how it works out. We've passed the learning aspect of this offense - now we're retooling."
One thing in Campbell's favor is being in the same system for the second straight year. He was in Al Saunders' offense for two years but played only 19 games; he already has 16 in Zorn's system, Campbell's third NFL offense in five years.
"Some guys in the league, they sit for their first two years but they're in the same system, so when their time comes, it's not like they're learning on the go," he said. "I was having to learn plays and get comfortable and get experience at the same time. I've been against the 8-ball, but at the same time I think it helped make me the kind of player I want to be in the future."
Campbell hopes continuity on offense equates to a comfort zone for the players and increased production.
"It takes stability to get all of these things done," he said. "It's not built overnight or over a year or two. But I think we're headed in the right direction, and my level of confidence and trust [in my ability] is really high right now."
Posted by: Gforce083 Apr 2 2009, 01:15 PM
Watch the video and see the class and the coolness Jason Campbell shows even though his name is all over the headlines in trade rumors. This guy knows his teammates are behind him (even if the front office may not be)...he's letting these trade rumors roll right off his back as he continues to study to playbook and workout with the team. If this isn't leadership I don't know what is....
Once Cutler found out his name was in trade talks what did he do? He threw some lines at the media acting like he was a QB god and how dare anyone every try to trade him. The guy dosen't even have the class to try and amend the situation and instead runs away to Nashville ignoring phone call after phone call.
You don't see Campbell running back home to Mississippi do you? You don't see him shying away from Redskins Park do you? NO! The man is right there in DC doing chairty work and is at Redskins Park taking part in offseason work outs with the rest of the team.
http://chriscooley47.blogspot.com/2009/04/tc-jc17-on-rumors.html
Posted by: Gforce083 Apr 3 2009, 12:54 PM
* That experience, though, really helped me understand how generally-reliable reporters can get ahead of themselves. If there's someone who epitomizes reliability and throughness, it's John Keim, and even he fell victim to this yesterday, running with the headline "Source: Cutler Trade Imminent" at 3:00 p.m. in a story about Cutler coming to Washington. This realization won't make me stop making fun of Chris Mortensen's abysmal track record, but I certainly understand it a little better.
* The Examiner did update the story as it developed, but they should really update the caption on the picture as well. As of 10:00 a.m. this morning, it still looked like this:
* I don't see Jason Campbell's psyche as a problem. Campbell is a consummate professional, as his countless recent interviews have shown. Even in yesterday's Washington Post story, which opined that "if the Redskins fail to acquire Cutler, they risk alienating Campbell," Campbell himself was quoted as saying, "A bunch of trade talk is what got Cutler mad at Denver, that's the reason all that stuff started with him, but I wouldn't do all that. The thing you understand that there's no loyalty in this game, so you just have to work hard. That's all you can do." And he's been even classier than that in the interviews he's given today.
* I had mixed feelings about the possibility of Cutler coming here, but the more research I actually did, the more skeptical about Cutler I became. We all know by now that he only has one more win than Campbell in just one more game. And we know that his numbers were astronomical last season, yes.
But by my informal count, only eight of his 37 career games have come against defenses ranked in the top 12 in the season he played them (and if you take the top 10, it drops to five games). Campbell had seven against the top 12 this past season alone, and still posted respectable numbers. Also, I'd hardly be the first to observe that continuity is worth a lot, and is something the Redskins haven't had a lot of in recent years. In the end, though, the enormous relief I felt when I heard that Cutler had gone to Chicago let me know exactly how I had been feeling; these stats just give me a little numerical support.
Posted by: Gforce083 Apr 3 2009, 05:18 PM
Campbell: Meeting "Very Successful"
Jason Reid just got off the phone with Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell, who said he met with owner Daniel M. Snyder, executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato and Coach Jim Zorn for two hours today at Redskins Park.
Snyder and Cerrato called the meeting to clear the air about the team's efforts to acquire quarterback Jay Cuter, who was traded yesterday from the Denver Broncos to the Chicago Bears. Campbell said he was encouraged by the meeting and "just wants to play football and get ready for the 2009 season."
Campbell said he was pleased by having an opportunity to express himself and he said everyone at the meeting spoke candidly about the events of the past few days. "I would say it was a very successful meeting because everyone expressed themselves and made it clear what we want to try to accomplish," Campbell said. "We talked for a long time about everything that had happened and the thing I felt the best about was that I got a chance to talk about what I'm trying to do, which is just get ready for the season and try to help this team get to that higher level. Coach Zorn and [Snyder] all let me know how they feel about things and that's why I'd say it was real successful because now it's just about moving forward and trying to win. I'm going to be in this offense for my second year, Coach Zorn has learned a lot, different stuff that can help us be more successful, and I just think it was real positive today."
By Emilio Garcia-Ruiz | April 3, 2009; 3:37 PM ET
Posted by: marcus42 Apr 18 2009, 12:04 PM
Rumor has it 'Skins interested in trading up to number to get...Mark Sanchez??
I can provide a link later this evening (on my cell phone)
Posted by: jleaseburg Apr 18 2009, 05:31 PM
They don't need Sanchez. Orakpo would be a nice trade up to get. They need some O and D line.
Posted by: marcus42 Apr 19 2009, 07:32 PM
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009-nfl-draft/more-on-orakpo-and-sanchez.html?wprss=redskinsinsider
obviously they would love Orakpo, but it seems like they like Sanchez...a lot! It's going to be an interesting draft weekend!!!
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