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Posted by: ffman Jan 21 2008, 06:42 PM

In the other thread I created today (What do you like about this hobby?), Daze_fan posted quite a few things his do not like about the hobby. And, many of them were valid complaints. While many things make this hobby wonderful, many negatives do exist which take away from the experience.

So, here's a topic for members to express what they do not enjoy about this hobby. TCC: What do you NOT enjoy about this hobby?

For me:

1. Over-use of the 1/1 label. For example, I can't stand eBay items, trading topics, etc that label a card a '1/1' when it is not.

2. Impatient traders. This includes collectors who post a trade/sell topic, only to 'bump' it 15 minutes later asking 'NO WANTS THIS??!!?', etc.

3. Collectors who do not appreciate another person's generosity.

4. Redemptions. If a card company cannot deliver a card, it should not promise it to collectors.

Posted by: chopinalex Jan 21 2008, 06:47 PM

I dont like buying a 100 dollar box and getting lots of base...aka upper deck..at least with topps/donruss you get short prints..

Posted by: mvpujols#5 Jan 21 2008, 06:50 PM

5. Redemptions

4.1/1s

3.People Who want more than what the BV is, For Ex: A Cabrera auto BV 40, they want BV 60 Because Cabrera is an all star or somthing

2. People who dont have ALL of there PC in there PC collection, and then you ask for it and they say it is PC. For EX: I want a Cabrera auto that is in Baseball FT section of a bucket, and when i ask for it, They say it is in the PC, Well they should put it in the PC collection Album

1. The Over Use of High End on a Baseball, football, or Basketball Single, It is ok if they say the Box is high end, that doesnt bother me, but what bothers me is when they say a Not Very good Card is High End just because it came out of a High End Product, For Example: A Marcus Giles Auto, or a Sena Casey auto out is pulled out of Ultimate, and it books 30-40 at the Most, Is that high end.

Posted by: BaseballCollector Jan 21 2008, 06:52 PM

Way too expensive and usually (ex. Upper Deck) not worth the money.

Posted by: STLcardinals888 Jan 21 2008, 06:52 PM

~collectors that don't take the time to try and make a deal.
~When the boxes say X amout of hits on average
~People selling cards on ebay that are rude and have do idea what the card is worth.
~Too many high-end products because you can't find anything for less than 40
~Card vaule fluxuations

Posted by: ffman Jan 21 2008, 06:53 PM

Oh, a high-end peeve:

- High-end products that contain 'hits' of common players.

Posted by: chopinalex Jan 21 2008, 06:56 PM

This is my grip of baseball and why i probably will not buy it anymore..baseball is the king of whozits..take football+basketball whozits and multiply it by 10 and you have baseball whozits!!..

Posted by: STLcardinals888 Jan 21 2008, 06:58 PM

Like Black

Posted by: ffman Jan 21 2008, 07:00 PM

That was one of the sets I thought of.

No offense to the player, but who wants to pull a Melvin Mora autograph out of a $200+ product?

Posted by: chopinalex Jan 21 2008, 07:01 PM

Welcome to the world of baseball whozits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: skatalite Jan 21 2008, 07:02 PM

The death of the masterpiece.

Lack of low-end products for children.

Expensive products with sticker autographs.

Expensive products flooded with GUs of players no longer in the league.

Posted by: mvpujols#5 Jan 21 2008, 07:04 PM

Thanks Richard For Pointing that out.

Because today i had to spend 95 BUCKS worth of my Christmas Money at the card shop, for nothing good except a PC auto, So i wish they would come back out with like a Product that has nice GU, but is kinda cheap.

Posted by: Daze_fan Jan 21 2008, 07:11 PM

Just to post me thought from the other thread here, and a few more.

People who use the words "Hit" and "Come strong" and ESPECIALLY '56K/DIAL UP BEWARE!!!".. I have dial-up, i never have a problem with scan(s) loading

People who complain they got nothing out of a box.. Umm, you got a bunch of cards, dont say you got nothing because you did'nt get something you can profit off of.
Dont like it, dont buy it anymore

people who only want GU and auto, only to have them complain that Gu are garbage.

people that wont tyrade you one of two cards because it's not worthwhile for them to waste the postage.

( on a side note.... I see a few here that state they wont trade if it's under an X amount, well those are the greedy people out to make a buck if they are too cheap to spend a 1.38

People that do not read the entire post and ask you stupid questions.. I.E.
1. Will not break up... " I only need the XXXX card"
2. Please check my bucket or site... "what are you looking for?"
3. FS ... "would you trade it?"

People who have a card you need, and try to hold it hostage from you because you show interest. You know, you need a card for a set, someone has it, they want extra for it, or want to make a larger trade because they want something 10X's it's value.


I could go on and on.

Posted by: RGBII Jan 21 2008, 07:11 PM

Donruss, Leaf & Playoff not having their license reinstated IMMEDIATELY!
Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: ffman Jan 21 2008, 07:14 PM

Oh yeah....that's a good one.

Posted by: chopinalex Jan 21 2008, 07:15 PM

ya thats true..if donruss still was doing baseball i would still be buying it..

Posted by: BoxBreaker44 Jan 21 2008, 07:20 PM

Xfractor Lines






Makes every xfractor ungradeable

Posted by: marcus42 Jan 21 2008, 08:39 PM

1- Redemptions...I don't really need to go in depth there.

2- Overproduction- Mainly of autographs now a days.

3- The way the hobby has gone from a set building focus, to the big hit 'investment' hobby.

4- No DLP in major league baseball!!!!

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Jan 21 2008, 09:56 PM

Overproduction of what was once rare: used to be a treat to get an autographed card because they were so rare. Now they are everywhere.

Graded NEW cards: people who grade spanking brand new cards and receiving a Gem Mint grade on it and thinking it's worth many times more than what is booked because of the grade. Puh-LEEZE!!! Today's cards are manufactured AS PERFECT already! I dare anyone to crack that graded card out of its case and mix it up with the exact same cards that were just opened from packs and see if they can pull the exact one that was already graded.

"Semistar and used-to-be-somebody-from-before-but-has-no-more-potential for trade - but only in exchange for today's hottest superstar autograph": who are you kidding? If you want the guys on the Hot List that EVERYBODY and their mother wants, then you'd better come stronger than that.

Investment advice on pieces of cardboard: think about it, it's just cardboard.

"Come strong": they usually request that of weak cards they are trying to dump. Okay, semi-weak since a lot of times it is a superstar depicted on the card, albeit a much lower-end card of the upper echelon.

Ebay shillers

For now.....

Posted by: ffman Jan 21 2008, 10:01 PM

But many aren't pulled in perfect condition. Numerous sets are dinged out of the pack (2007 Topps football for me, Turkey Red, etc) plus centering can be a large problem when grading 'new' cards.

Posted by: tex333 Jan 21 2008, 10:09 PM

Upper Deck.

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Jan 21 2008, 10:15 PM

Most are still pulled out of packs with the same care as handling plutomium. Almost none are flipped or put in bicycle spokes today. There is no longer attrition.

Posted by: ffman Jan 21 2008, 10:21 PM

Touche.

Posted by: mvpujols#5 Jan 21 2008, 10:22 PM

AMEN To That

Posted by: mvpujols#5 Jan 21 2008, 10:23 PM

Huh?

Posted by: ffman Jan 21 2008, 10:25 PM

Basically - good argument to my post.

Posted by: Daze_fan Jan 21 2008, 10:26 PM

You HAD to?
Did someone force you to buy anything?

This is what I'm talking about. You did'nt HAVE TO.. you wanted to, so dont complain you did'nt get anything good.
next time, save the time and buy a lottery ticket , scratching is faster and you'll get the same result.

Posted by: BagwellFan25 Jan 21 2008, 10:27 PM

1. Prices are too high.

2. Some shop owners are jerks.

3. GU's are no longer a rare item. I remember when I pulled my first GU, a 2000 Upper Deck Rookie Threads Travis Henry GU. WOW!!! Now, that stupid thing can probably be bought for $0.50.

All of these and more have already been mentioned so I will refrain from continuing on a rant.

Good topic, by the way.

Posted by: tex333 Jan 21 2008, 10:30 PM

Unless he got a giftcard..

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Jan 21 2008, 10:33 PM

Or that thing they call MOJO.

Posted by: crazygood Jan 21 2008, 10:33 PM

he said you have a nice touche.

Posted by: RGBII Jan 21 2008, 10:37 PM

INVESTORS
Vile, Reptilean, vicious profiteers!
Granted, they've been around awhile, but the numbers these days are disconcerting.
I've seen people walk into the store and ask me what it takes to get a distibutors license from Topps, Upper Deck, etc. with the sole intention of selling the product for 4x what it's worth.
You may want to call them entrepeneurs, wily businessmen or capitalists. I call them filth. They sully my hobby, they waste my time and I wish vicious curses upon their pets.
Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: vicsten Jan 21 2008, 10:37 PM

- The kids, for many years now, are being squeezed out of the hobby because of the card prices. (Ha! Some adults like me for that matter. ) Actually I think it's a shame that they have created most products for just those with deep pockets.

- I don't like to see so much emphasis placed on book values. I get it. I also, when I began collecting, was stuck on Beckett. Didn't make a move without checking it out first. What I learned of course was that most of today's top stars will drop like a rock when "their time has passed." I wish I could see more people go after what they really want, but doing it out of desire for a certain item rather than placing so much emphasis on how much they're getting vs. how much they'll give away for it.

- "I third that" -Upper Deck!

-I dislike what seems to be such a blurry line between the business and the hobby by so many.

Posted by: beanschat Jan 21 2008, 10:39 PM

I'm on the flip side of mvpujols...

People who put everything decent into PC. I list some nice cards on my trade lists, but when someone has an interest in my nice $30 cards, I look at their trade list and they have 50+ $10 items, and nothing better...I know you have better..open it up!

redemptions

getting shorted on cards in packs...

lack of fluctuation in values...Beckett sets a value on a card and in most cases it doesn't move for 10 years....hogwash.


DONRUSS NOT HAVING A MLB LICENSE!!

Posted by: vicsten Jan 21 2008, 10:48 PM

Respectfully Jeff, I want to ask you why you sound so angry? I don't believe MV feels like anyone made him buy a 95. box. I believe he was showing his disappointment over what he received for the 95. he spent. Everyone realizes the risk they take when buying card boxes OR lottery tickets. What I believe though, is that the hobby has a responsibility to do better in seeing that if someone does spend that amount for their product, then they should be left with a good feeling (not a woohoo MOJO moment each time because that would get boring ) after the wrappers have been strewn all over the place. As far as I know there isn't a lottery collecting site (though it wouldn't surprise me) but that is a gamble. Card collecting is a hobby and I just think alot of changes could be made to make it more enjoyable for many. Perhaps you could step away from the hobby for a time and maybe you could rediscover some of that joy somewhere down the road. Believe me, I and many others I know have done so. But my goodness- if it gets that bad for someone as it seems to have for you, then maybe you could search out another hobby that could bring you joy. After all, isn't that why we all do it? Again, be aware that I am not writing this to give you a hard time. I'm just trying to understand. -Vickie

Posted by: mvpujols#5 Jan 21 2008, 10:58 PM

Thats Not Funny

Posted by: mvpujols#5 Jan 21 2008, 10:58 PM

Im 12 Years old

Posted by: aceecards Jan 21 2008, 11:02 PM

people who collect for the wrong reasons!

Its a hobby , if you wanna play the stock market , go to etrade!

Posted by: aceecards Jan 21 2008, 11:03 PM

sorry, that what my boy RGB said earlier.

I guess the real collectors have stood up and spoken hey?

Posted by: mvpujols#5 Jan 21 2008, 11:05 PM

Thank You Vickie

Also, all i was Saying is that i went and spent 95$ Worth of my money on cards becaus eof the Price of the Packs/boxes are High, So many 'Hobby' Packs/Boxes Are like $75+ So it is Kinda hard not to be dissapointed if you dont pull anything "good" out of a 40$ pack and 2 15$ Packs that Garuntee 'MOJO'.

Posted by: RGBII Jan 21 2008, 11:05 PM

There ya' go. Well put!!
Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: aka spider Jan 21 2008, 11:06 PM

What i Don't like about this hobby is

The Hot Packs Thingy
Pack Searchers
Sticker auto
Upper deck being so cheap.
It keeps on going...

Posted by: marcus42 Jan 21 2008, 11:08 PM

It doesn't bother me so much when people say they found something they like for an investment piece, but if that is their sole reason for going into the hobby, please make an quick exit from the COLLECTOR zone .

Posted by: Daze_fan Jan 21 2008, 11:08 PM

No offence take n to your thoughts.. he plainly lets us know that he is 12 years old.. well, at 12, he's in the hobby for the wrong reason if he's already complaning he did'nt get anything good.

You say changes are needed in he hobby, I agree, but, WE have to make the changes, the Companies have all jaded us with the possibility of getting something fabulous that everyone else can envy or we may be able to sell on ebay for 3 x's what the box cost us.

I'm not angry, I'm just tired of people complainign they did'nt get anythign out of a box, just because they dotn like the cards they received.
Melvin mora or other.

Posted by: jaderock Jan 21 2008, 11:14 PM

Not sure way...but what I dislike about the hobby is so much easier to think of!!

For me, it's:

1. People who package cards with no regards to common sense/understanding of "handling" by USPS.

2. People holding certain collectors "hostage" just because they think they can.

3. People who trade and state "must be in my favor"

4. The constant fairy tales (con stories) that are made up in regards to where/how/when something "rare" was obtained.

5. The interesting hobby of "creating" worthless COAs!!!!!!!

6. The shadiness of Grading companies including authenticating trimmed/altered cards, wrong signatures, etc

7. The unwillingness of companies to protect the comsumers of "patch faking". They've created anti counterfeiting steps but for them only while the collectors are still left stratching our heads of deciphiring "real" or "fake".

Posted by: jaderock Jan 21 2008, 11:15 PM

Also dislike...LESS competition which had made "innovation and creativity" at a stand still

Posted by: RGBII Jan 21 2008, 11:15 PM

Agreed. I hold myself to a much higher standard! I am a COLLECTOR, today, tomorrow and forever.
My investment is my passion, no more-no less.
Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: vicsten Jan 21 2008, 11:15 PM

I sure understand where you're coming from Jeff. Landon will unfortunately experience, as time passes for him, the same feelings that others feel as they move along in the hobby. I believe it would be fair to say that all the things that encompass everyone's reasonings in this thread is due to much greed etc. The fun part to me though after having done it for so long is the things we can help teach Landon as he goes along, and hopefully he will then be able to do the same for others when us old buggers fade out. (No names mentioned R and A uh... sorry!)

Posted by: mvpujols#5 Jan 21 2008, 11:20 PM

What ever

You Should be happy that i am Actually here having a hobby, and not out on the Streets Doing drugs, and shooting people, and glad to Help Me learn to be a better collector.

And Yes i am Actually Glad Now that i bought those packs, i turned the RC Auto of Jeff Rowe into a PC Peice, and Now i am GOing to Start Building a Collection of him.

And, Honestly I could Care Less About What you Think, Im Sorry if i am Rude.

Man i am Collecting Baseball, Football, and Basketball Cards for a Hobby. Not to Set around here Arguing with you. Again I dont Care What you think, and i Have my own Reasons for collecting.

Posted by: Daze_fan Jan 21 2008, 11:20 PM

I should rephrase.. "did'nt get anything good.

"didn't get what I wanted or hoped for"

I don't open new product, so I don't know the feeling, but... for example...
When someone complains they payed 200.00 for a box, received the suggested inserts they were supposed to get, why are they upset that they got a 1 color patch of lance berkman and a gu of todd hundley?
There is no guarantee of getting the elusive patch of the hottest star out there or the biggest rookie.
If all product only comtained all theose type of cards, there would only be the 25-50 buck packs .

Posted by: jaderock Jan 21 2008, 11:24 PM

I totally agree, but in Baseball is all about the Prospects (which is alot riskier than rookies/prospects of Football and basketball) and prospecting...UGH!!! Thank goodness I like FB and BKTB

Posted by: RGBII Jan 21 2008, 11:24 PM

I'll not fade out, Darlin', I'll go out with pomp and circumstance. I'll have these youngin's raiding my tomb. Cause it's all going with me!!!
Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: jaderock Jan 21 2008, 11:30 PM

Dislike ...sensitive people... But seriously I never turned down a Brunell because of the refractor line, but have bumped into ALOT of people that dislike this "minute" aspect of a card

Posted by: marcus42 Jan 21 2008, 11:38 PM

ah that reminds me of another...I enjoy bustin product and if I don't pull something I wish to keep for my PC I will gladly trade it away to help bolster mine. Then I see some people on youtube, mainly one user 'mainlyrookies'

not sure if he is a user here, but he just 'grinds my gears' as one animated character on television may say. He busts a lot of wax, and every single time you'll hear him say....

'don't waste your time with this product...yada yada yada....you'll never get your return on your purchase, it's a complete waste of money...I bought one box, and boy am i glad that's all i got, this is pure crap!'

he said that about...
Americana
Leaf Limited Football
Sweet spot football
Topps Sterling
Absolute Football
sure they are hit and miss, but not crap...c'mon...it's a hobby!

ok...well um that's your decision off of ONE box! If your looking for a return on investment, please don't bust wax, this is not the place for you...most products you will have one nice pull and a couple other low end ones, you come to expect this.

Posted by: vicsten Jan 21 2008, 11:41 PM

I hope I can still be here to raid it with 'em. I see you have quite a collection going there my friend!

Posted by: Tarasadie17 Jan 21 2008, 11:41 PM

Wow... a lot of anger in this thread...


Three things have stopped me from buying boxes they way I used to... for those of you that have been around a while, I used to bust a lot of boxes and a fair amount of cases... but these three things have done me in, I just can't bear to buy unopened product anymore...

1) the proliferation of sticker autographs: I know they don't bother a lot of folks, but the bother me...

2) Redemptions

3) The incredible amount of no name autographs inserted into today's checklists: How many of the rookies that sign for Playoff Contenders are undrafted free agents? Why shortprint all the big names when they are the ones people want? Autograph checklists have become a joke...

Posted by: RGBII Jan 22 2008, 12:01 AM

I know this is supposed to be about what I don't like about the hobby, but ultimately you are pulling a piece of cardstock with a four-color rendition of a photograph of a professional athlete.
If you thought you were getting more than that, whether you're paying $3.99 pack or $399.00 per pack, you were wrong.
I'd like to see it stay a hobby and not an investment tool. I still enjoy the physical rush of opening a pack of baseball cards, '07 Topps Series I or UD SPX. It's all the same... they're Baseball Cards!
Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: BoxBreaker44 Jan 22 2008, 12:05 AM

Yea I have prospects for investment pourposes then i have my PC.

Posted by: chiefsfan101 Jan 22 2008, 12:14 AM

Overpricing of a product, and then pulling crap.

Posted by: Daze_fan Jan 22 2008, 12:16 AM

See above, thats what I'm talking about.

Posted by: RGBII Jan 22 2008, 12:23 AM

They're Trading Cards!!
That's all they'll ever be.
Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: mvpujols#5 Jan 22 2008, 12:25 AM

Thank You!


But Seriously, I always thought they were a peice of Cardboard

Posted by: marcus42 Jan 22 2008, 12:33 AM

exactly...you gotta know what your getting!

Posted by: Daze_fan Jan 22 2008, 01:21 AM

I KNOW!!!!..
What I'm trying to say is why do people complain about not getting something good.. If you dont pay 200 for a box, you dont have to worry about getting crap cards.

Posted by: marcus42 Jan 22 2008, 01:28 AM

i know...i'm agreeing with you on that point right there

it does bother me too.

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Jan 22 2008, 06:09 AM

That is why I pretty much stick with the singles. I used to be a box breaker, trying to beat the system of getting the cards I want for a lower price. But in the long run, it didn't work out since I was not a set builder.

Posted by: aceecards Jan 22 2008, 08:47 AM

"YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT.. BUT WHEN YOU TRY SOMETIMES YOU FIND... YA GET WHAT YA NEED"

Its like Charlie Brown and the Joe Shabotnik card he was always looking for..

Do you realize how many times I spent my allowance from mowing grass or weeding the garden on a pack of 15 cent cards when I was a kid. I used to buy a box of Topps baseball as soon as they arrived every spring with snow shovelling money.

And you know what.. I was NEVER disappointed! Ever.. It didnt matter who I got.. It was what I got! It was my money and if I wanted to be happy or sad or disappointed it was my choice and my opinion!

Watch my videos.. heck watch any videos.. the only real disappointment or anger you see is when there was a shortage of an expected hit or a redemption.. Seriously.. I dont see any that complain out and out about the lack of a player. My opinion of what is good/great/outstanding, may well be different than yours or his or hers opinion.

We CANNOT CRITICIZE one another for expressing their opinion with a meh.. or a didnt get nothing comment becuase... THAT's THEIR OPINION! We can try to convince them otherwise or offer condolensces!

Sure the hobby has its downfalls/pratfalls caused by manufacturers, licensing and even the players themselves not returning autos etc.. We have high prices, inflated BV's, monopolies, overproduction , stickers, shortages, redemptions, pack searching.. blah blah blah...

But ask yourself WHY do you collect? Why are you involved in this hobby or any hobby you may undertake?

See if my OPINION expressed below doesn't match up with yours

The hobby is my leisure time, its mine and no one elses , its my Linus's blanket when I need comfort, It's my stress reliever. It is NOT A GOAL.. it is not over-burdening.. It is there when I need it to be and waits patiently for me when I dont have time to spend with it. It is a conversation starter, it can be an obsession although I try hard not to let it consume me, it requires me to be a good organizer, it keeps my brain sharp. and finally...

If I do not obsess about WORTH, I can always get what I want!

Posted by: nameant Jan 22 2008, 09:26 AM

- High-end only collectors

- Exquisite collectors

- Collectors who are too good for base

- People holding inexpensive cards hostage b/c they don't wanna trade for anything with as low of BV as the card you want.

- Collectors who change their focus every month

- PMing prices. Isn't easier just to post the price you are looking for as opposed to sending PMs to possible buyers and them having to reply? Why not just put a price and add "OBO" to it?

So many other things I can't think of right now...

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Jan 22 2008, 09:32 AM

What's that?

Posted by: Tarasadie17 Jan 22 2008, 09:46 AM

Collector's with raised rumps...

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Jan 22 2008, 09:51 AM

You mean they could pull their wallet out of their back pocket just by reaching over their shoulder?

Posted by: msuwendy Jan 22 2008, 10:02 AM

Wow....lots has been said and I'm probably going to repeat what some of you posted

1. The fact that so much of it revolves around "how much are my cards worth?" these days. It's a hobby. Enjoy yourself instead of wondering which players are gonna be hot in the coming year.

2. Overproduction and overkill. Some brilliant ideas have been done to death (GU cards, parallels, 1/1s, and more recently, manufactured letterman cards.)

3. Redemptions and sticker autos in those mega-expensive products like Exquisite and Ultimate Collection.

4. Pack seachers and 'hot-pack' sellers. To me, these people are an absolute stain on the hobby and living proof that 'natural selection' is flawed.

5. The fact that DLP does not do basketball

6. Exclusive deals....especially in basketball.

7. People who sell cards with fake-patches. Just slightly above pack searchers and hot pack sellers on the food chain.

8. How certain people can be very selfish at times.

Posted by: justineustis Jan 22 2008, 10:02 AM

Wow. I think this topic has caused quite a stir. If its a hobby and considered a hobby to you, then there shouldn't be so many things that disappoint you. I'm still a pretty young guy (27), but I bought my first box of cards 17 years ago. I bought a box of 1990 Fleer Basketball. I treated those cards like they were pure gold. I still have every single from that box. Its just a hobby. Buying packs of cards for me is like someone else needing to eat a certain kind of food for comfort. I will say this, I hate pack searchers. I was in a target this past weekend and there were a couple of guys at the card section just going to town on every box of cards no matter what it was (Star wars cards, baseball, basketball, harry potter).

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Jan 22 2008, 10:26 AM

Not all base is bad.
One of my favorites because of its design:

Posted by: Lew47 Jan 22 2008, 10:40 AM

I hate the way glossy cards (Ultra especially) stick together when they are packed too tightly.

I hate blind send firsts when trading. Or when it just takes forever for something to be shipped.

I really hate when you receive a sell sheet with all these pretty pictures of cards, only to be greatly disappointed when the actual product arrives. I remember 05/06 SPA Hockey. I ordered it direct. Delays, upon delays, then when it finally arrives half the rookies weren't even inserted (they put them in 06/07?). I haven't purchased a hockey product since.

Posted by: artyman60 Jan 22 2008, 10:46 AM

overemphisis on the value that beckett has placed on a card

Redemptions all together but more so in high end products

Sticker autos again exspecially in the high end stuff

Lack of steelers pulls in our group break jk

Posted by: PBamber16 Jan 22 2008, 11:58 AM

There are 3 things that annoy me about this hobby. Two of these have already been said, Rude ebay seller's and also people not willing to trade 1 or 2 lower end card's because it's not worth the postage.

The third I did not see anyone else say, but it's with certain products the endless parallels you get for one card! If you are building some sets for example you have the original card probably in the Base set, but then you also have 7 or 8 colour variations of that card possible serial numbered. I don't mind a couple of parallels but not used to the extent that they seem to be used in some sets at the moment!!

Posted by: NGWH Sports Cards Jan 22 2008, 12:18 PM

Pack Searchers!!~

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Jan 22 2008, 12:27 PM

The holier-than-thou attitude from other sites (not necessarily the mods).

Posted by: snowblink Jan 22 2008, 12:38 PM

Collector's who...

...claim they are looking for everything of whatever, then when you contact them they come back with "only looking for GU/Autos/RCs".

...post a thread that they are "not looking for anything in particular", but then reply back with a very specific list of wants.

...swear they can't find anything on your tradelist in return for those 3 small cards you could really use to finish a set.

...use BV as the sole basis for any transaction/reason to be in the hobby.

...post threads containing only the phrase "look in my bucket to see what I have to trade"

...never look at others want threads, or don't bother to look for links to another persons collecting interests, or check their profile for clues...just always reply with "what are you looking for in trade?"

...proclaim all base cards to be worthless junk that no one would ever want to collect (then find themselves scrambling to bid on that card of Sylvain Turgeon with 5 year old Kane in the background, pathetic)

Anyone is open to collect who, how, or whatever they what, but my opinion is that it sure is more pleasant to collect for the fun of it, rather than building yourself the finest cardboard prison on the block.

Posted by: urbanmonk Jan 22 2008, 01:28 PM

The fact that this thread is longer than the what people like about the hobby

But many good points here, many of which I had ten years ago when I was getting burnt out on the hobby.
1. Set building had become a royal pain.
2. Low end product was being fazed out.
3. High end product was more profitable for the card companies.
4 Redemptions.
5. People in it for the money not as a hobby.

Most of those things are still the same, except low end product is around even less, though maybe the kids have more money now (but I doubt that in general anyway).
I'd rather have cool looking inserts make a comeback, instead of all these pieces of clothing/shoes/hats/ and whatever else they will think of putting on a card these days. They seem to be getting less creative, though they have some neat ideas from time to time but then proceed to run them into the ground.
And some of the lists about gripes about other collectors, I won't repeat those as all of those are valid to me. IE if you post "I want everything of so and so" you should want everything, if you want specifics then post your specifics so I don't waste my time.
just my 2 cents,
Dwight

Posted by: xebulba Jan 22 2008, 02:14 PM

this guy

Posted by: bigeric Jan 22 2008, 02:20 PM

the things i don't like about the hobby is
Pack Searchers
Overproduction of autos
Fake Patches
People holding card hostage

Posted by: jt4pres Jan 22 2008, 02:20 PM

Box Prices

Posted by: nameant Jan 22 2008, 02:24 PM

I was gonna say the same thing.

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Jan 22 2008, 02:29 PM

There's at least one of those dealers at every show.

Posted by: madman20 Jan 22 2008, 03:10 PM

I collect to collect....if i pull a card of my favorite player im happy! If i dont then ill trade it. I havent sold any of my cards right now nor do i plan on it for a long time. But those of you who get mad cause they have whozits in the sets and its so hard to get a good player, you have to understand. If cards were worth nothing then no one would collect them! What woul dbe the point of collecting and trading if everyone and there mother could buy a box and pull a Peterson auto with ease? That would destroy the hobby. So to keep these cards so heavily sought after they short print them. There would be no TCC if you could go buy a box and expect to pull PC every single time!

Yes it sucks about the prices they are very high

Little kids that dont have well off families have to resort to retail, which every pack has been felt up by a pack feeler, and it is super hard for them to experience the joy of getting an auto or jersey card.

Redemtion cards suck!!!! Ive been waiting about 4 months for my two redemtion cards that i pulled in the same box! and on top of that it was the exact same card! so i got a double of the same auto......and they were redemtions. Thats a killer!

i hate people who wont do a trade if there card is worth 30 bv and yours is worth 20bv. That is so retarded..your never gonn aactually get the 30 dollars your card books at! and do you seriously plan on selling that card? BV means nothing to me when i trade......like i said i dont sell my cards so therefore BV isnt everything..i like the fact that the cards hold value because it doesnt make them worthless but im not gonna dump a trade because i am losing 10 dollars in BV.

Posted by: dodgerblue38501 Jan 22 2008, 03:20 PM

These are all interesting responses. As a dealer and shop owner, I feel the same way about many of them. The things I dislike most are:

1) Pack Searchers

2) High End Products with no real value in the boxes

3) Collectors who complain every time they open a pack and don't get a big hit

4)Collectors who complain even when they get a big hit because it wasn't a "better player"

5)Card companies that insert redemptions for AUTOS of players that they don't even have under contract yet causing collectors a long wait before their card is "replaced by one of equal value".

Posted by: Nene Jan 22 2008, 03:21 PM

I hate:

-People that have "tradelists" then proceed to say later that the cards that are listed for trade are "VVHTG," why bother to put them on there if they are virtually PC cards.

-People that look at vintage and RCs as "garbage" or "junk"

-Investment collectors

-Minor peeve: People that declare themselves TCC's Resident Collector of XXXX or Supercollector of XXXX and they don't really have a supercollection of the player at all.

-I know its been said already - but people that make every single decent card PC and all their trade bait is crap

-Again said: But people that view base as total wastes of time. I personally feel like if you are going to collect a player, you should want as many cards of the player as possible. And quite different than most, I collect doubles of the card because more is better

-People that buy crappy players' exquisite cards and then try to deal them like they are high end, aiming to land a nice Auto for a guy that barely plays or is on his way to the D-league

Yeah, thats about it for now.

Posted by: ffman Jan 22 2008, 03:24 PM

The 'what do you enjoy' thread is still up too; this one just appears to be more popular.

I forgot a few things on my list, one of which being patch-fakers.

To the Collector Zone Team: Thanks for pinning this topic.

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Jan 22 2008, 03:36 PM

What's VVHTG?


Not a low blow. That kind of statement comes from ignorance.


Only when Warren Buffet says baseball cards are an investment, then I'll believe it.


Resident collector is absolutely acceptable. They are not declaring anything other than that. However, it's funny that a few change their type of residency every month or so. But don't get me started on the whole supercollector shebang.....


Actually, you cannot blame them. I would be guilty of doing the same thing if I broke boxes.


Again, it's ignorance. Little do they know that they could enhance these pieces of crap TTM. And if it doesn't come back, it isn't a large loss.


The same as those who say "come strong" when they put a medicore card up on the block expecting a goldmine in exchange, eh?

Posted by: ffman Jan 22 2008, 03:41 PM

"Very, very hard-to-get."

"Resident collector" doesn't bother me. The only member with "Resident collector" in his signature I can think of is aceecards, and he is TCC's resident HOF GU/AU collector.

But, like Robert, the 'supercollector' title gets to me. Only members like jaderock, skatalite, monsta, dd316, etc. should be labeled 'supercollectors' IMO. For example, I collect Sammy Sosa - but I do not claim to 'supercollect' him. I know I do not have the time nor the resources to attempt it.

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Jan 22 2008, 09:42 PM

Ah, here's one.....

"What's your favorite CARD" (not cards)
And then they proceed to post oversized pictures of about half their collection because they couldn't decide.

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Jan 22 2008, 09:43 PM

THAT blows chunks.

Posted by: kylehess10 Jan 24 2008, 08:04 AM

What I DON'T like about my hobby: AUTHENTICATORS


Whether it's for autographs, or game used memorabilia, I do not trust authenticator's one bit. There is only 1 authentication team that I trust, which is MEARS. There are many frauds out there....I mean authenticators, making so many mistakes. The biggest fraud in this hobby is LOU LAMPSON. I NEVER buy anything with his LOA. He is known to have authenticated HUNDREDS of fakes and nobody trusts him besides newbies that don't know about him yet. He makes the most dumbest mistakes I have ever seen and he will purposly authenticate an item JUST to keep the authentication fee.

Posted by: jaderock Jan 24 2008, 05:43 PM

Do you have proof of this ... like a link to an article or webpage...I've seen his name used on several auction houses...in fact they use him ALOT...so I would be really interested in this information...thank you

Posted by: kylehess10 Jan 24 2008, 08:51 PM

I can show a TON of proof....here is just a few of the many posts about Lampson on Game Used Universe:


Fake Gregg Jeffries jersey authenticated by Lampson:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=13116&page=2


Fake Wade Boggs jersey with numbers on front of jersey (not supposed to be there) authenticated by Lampson:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=12489


More info on the fakes authenticated by Lampson:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=12517n


Peyton Manning jersey w/o short sleeves authenticated by Lampson:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=12409


Fake Scott Rolen & Mike Piazza jerseys with the "0062" wash code sewn on top of seam instead of inside of seam:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=11939

...and here's a random quote from a forum member about Lampson and the 0062 washing tags:

"The 0062 is the pro code for game used jerseys, but keep in mind Lou Lampson will issue a cert for ANY jersey that has this code, no matter if its sewn on top of the seam or any other specifics of the shirt. Personally if Lou authenticated it, I dont want it."


Fake Dan Marino jersey authenticated by Lampson:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=11549


Manny Ramirez game worn ROAD jersey signed and dated on a day that the Red Sox were at HOME. Plus the date tag is a YEAR OFF (a 2006 jersey, which was authenticated as being worn in 2007):

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=12013


Here is a game worn helmet, authenticated by Lampson as being used by Buddy Groom, who was LEFT-HANDED, when the helmet is for a RIGHT-HANDED batter!

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=11678


..and here is a post I made myself, where Lampson authenticated a pair of Andruw Jones 2000 All Star Game cleats, which were really just worn during the regular season:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=12143


and possibly one of the biggest of all of Lampson's frauds: A UNC shooting shirt which was altered to become a Michael Jordan shooting shirt. Originally with "SMITH" on the back, someone altered it to have "JORDAN" and Lampson didn't even check to see if it was altered:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=10128


A dumb mistake by Lampson, not knowing the difference between a 1999 and 2000 MLB jersey, which is really obvious since 2000 MLB jerseys have the MLB logo and 1999 jerseys do not:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=11534


The same mistake with the MLB logos by Lampson:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=11377


Fake Bo Jackson Score Board jersey w/Lampson authentication:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=10367


Fake Griffey Jr. jersey with the nameplate completely wrong. Griffey never wore a jersey with "GRIFFEY JR" yet this one does have that nameplate and Lampson deemed it as authentic:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=10005



Fake tagging on a Vlad jersey, authenticated by Lampson:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=10019


Fake Mike Schmidt jacket authenticated by Lampson:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=7318



This list goes on and on and on and on. There are so many more posts on GUF about Lampson and all his fakes that he is authenticating.

Posted by: jaderock Jan 24 2008, 09:55 PM

Kyle...is that all you have...gee whiz!!! Actually I hope I get a chance to read them because I have a piece that has his authentication on it and I see SEVERAL large AUCTION Houses that use him (almost exclusively)...which to me ask "are these sites trustworthy if you use a known "easy" authenticator.

Thanks alot for the info...much appreciated

Posted by: kylehess10 Jan 24 2008, 10:55 PM

lol well there's PLENTY more where that came from. Lampson is best known for working with Historic Auctions and American Memorabilia (and a few others). Very rarely will these two companies respond to messages or pull auctions that are eventually found to be fake.
Last month, I bought a pair of Sammy Sosa homerun batting gloves from Historic Auctions, and it was going to come with Lampson's LOA. I made a post on GUF asking how I should destroy it (burn it or blow it up). Historic Auctions must've seen the post because when I got the gloves in the mail, it was missing the Lampson LOA

Posted by: kylehess10 Jan 25 2008, 04:21 AM

Jaderock---I just spent the past 2 hours making a new page on my site for all the MLB fakes from Lampson...it's a much bigger list:

http://gameused.webs.com/stayawayfromlampson.htm

Posted by: Nyfancam01 Jan 25 2008, 04:29 AM

not knowing when to stop buying packs...

Posted by: jaderock Jan 25 2008, 05:13 AM

Thanks...I joined game used universe and think that is a very cool site...also saw my fellow Brunell collector there, Jags Fan Dan.

Posted by: Daze_fan Jan 25 2008, 05:31 AM

Something I have to add that i have seen a few complaints about recently....

Hate:
people tat trade for or purchase Redemption cards with the expectation of getting that exact card, and when they dont they cry and complain.

Yes, i too would be upset, but at least you got something, and with all the problems of redemptions in the last 3-5 years, why would you be dumb enough to do it in the first place? Especially of a high end guy that you spend X amount on?

IMO, redemption cards are worthless untill you have the cards that you redeem it for in your hand.
people that shell out Big bucks for limited redemption and then get the junky scrub desrve what they get.

Posted by: chopinalex Jan 25 2008, 09:26 PM

i hate that most card shops are closed because of the escalating box prices...only a few survive now!

Posted by: snowblink Feb 2 2008, 05:56 PM

One last thing - being a hockey collector with no cool new Topps issues the last 3 years...

Posted by: STLcardinals888 Feb 4 2008, 05:30 PM

I'm tired of people saying "didn't see anything"

Posted by: 2000 rushing yards Feb 5 2008, 11:48 AM

agreed.

Posted by: Kmart6nets Feb 5 2008, 11:53 AM

To add to that, I hate "nothing I can use" or something along those lines.

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Feb 5 2008, 12:11 PM

Yeah. Why not a more tactful, straightforward answer like "I do not see anything on your trade list that would fit into the scope of my collection as of now, but thanks for inquiring."

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Feb 5 2008, 12:14 PM

I know what causes that. It's the sinister little voice that says "A big hit is only one pack away. Why let someone else have all the glory?"

Posted by: Griffeyfanatic Feb 12 2008, 12:56 PM

I'll have more I'm sure, but for right now, with all the parallels and different numbering etc., could the manufactures just print clearly on the card EXACTLY which card it is!!! If its a Crimson Rust Xfractor Dual Letter Patch Yellow Border #/25, Player batting in away uniform, can you just make sure all that is Easy to figure out so we can find the card in the checklist? Thanks!

Posted by: jeffsmith2349 Feb 12 2008, 01:01 PM

when people psy hundreds of dollars for a box of hockey cards trying to get a crosby when they dont know anything about hockey they cant even say half the players names i mean leave those boxes for the fans and stick to football or something it pisses me off watching some dumb dumb get a crosby auto patch that i have been trying to gt for months and they say things like jo-za' thinking hes freakin mexican no offence to mexicans but really when was the last time you seen one on the ice the guy is freaken french JOE-SE is how to say i mean god people stick to what you know and ###### of so the rest of use can enjoy the cards

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Feb 12 2008, 02:24 PM

I think you need a hug.

Posted by: jeffsmith2349 Feb 12 2008, 02:25 PM

funny guy lol but do you know what i mean or what?????????

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Feb 12 2008, 02:53 PM

Yeah, I know EXACTLY what you are saying. They should at least learn a bit about the sport rather than focusing on the dollar value. It really takes away from the essence of collecting.

"Look at what I got! I dunno what it is but I know it sure is expensive! Git er done!"

Posted by: ffman Feb 12 2008, 06:18 PM

GREAT POINT! A good example is 2007 UD Masterpieces, with many parallels that are similar colors.

Posted by: knuckleballerMC Feb 12 2008, 06:45 PM

The addictiveness of it.

Posted by: marcus42 Feb 13 2008, 12:05 PM

very good point...

the overall concern of BV and SV...

Posted by: DamnWS6 Feb 13 2008, 12:42 PM

i don't get you people.


for those of you complaining about pulling no name autos/gus etc. come on! what would be the point of the hobby if you knew u were going to get a card you wanted every single time u busted a box or bought some packs.


more than half the fun of pulling something for PC or that you like is just that, YOU PULLING IT and realizing that outta all the freakin cards yo coulda pulled, you got something worthwhile.


if its not worth buying a box or packs, then dont. just got on ebay n pay the amount u want for the specific card u want.


I'm not saying that there isn't any things wrong in this hobby, cuz they are. I think UD is one of them; my solution, i dont buy their products. But when it comes down to it, theres always going to be quirks, but collecting is something i would never give up!

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Feb 13 2008, 12:46 PM

I avoid all that headache by just buying only the singles I want.

Posted by: marcus42 Feb 13 2008, 01:11 PM

those are some good points...
I love pulling some great PC additions, just for the fact I pulled them. I also don't get when people get mad about pulling 'scrubs' at the time they pull it...then we wouldn't have any Tom Brady Rookie Cards!!!

You gotta know what your getting yourself into when busting wax, you win some and lose some...

People will always complain about UD products, and will still buy...they do one maybe two products decent in football each year.

Posted by: DamnWS6 Feb 13 2008, 01:19 PM

EXACTLY!


theyre scrubs currently for a reason. if you pulled an AP RC every time u busted an 07 product (that would be pretty cool,lol), then you wouldn't have that surprise pleasure of going through your cards 3-5 years later and boom! you have a $100 au of someone that is blowing up that year.


Personally, I'm not the kinda person that would search out just random cards of players and pay 3-7 bucks a pop on ebay for their cards. If its a speciality card or I'm trying to collect a set then sure. But to me, the cards I actually PULLED mean more to me that a $200 card I bought or traded from someone cuz i wanted it.

Posted by: sahetu Feb 13 2008, 03:14 PM

What do I not like about the hobby...

- Cost.
- Hobby vs. Retail.
- Large number of releases.
- Hooked on pulls or potential pulls.

Posted by: abnsnyper Feb 24 2008, 11:11 PM

- Watered down products
- Sticker autos
- Trolls on the Beckett message boards

Posted by: Pastretta Feb 25 2008, 01:17 AM

Three words: Upper Deck Wax
Topps Trying high end and failing BIG-TIME(See Paradigm and Peformace)
Pack Searchers
Redumptions

Posted by: ffman Mar 3 2008, 08:55 PM

Topps does have a relatively nice high-end product with Triple Threads.

As for Upper Deck, their first product of '08 in baseball looks to be much better.

Posted by: broncojim Mar 3 2008, 09:47 PM

My primary dislike in the hobby, and one that will never go away - is fraud.
It comes in the form of pack searching, selling or trading a damaged card without letting the other individual know condition, scammers that capitalize on the internet and rip people off in any way, hot pack sellers (or anyone that opens a pack and reseals it for resale, schill bidders, misrepresenting a card as a rookie, grading and authenticating scams, or any other type of fraud I did not mention and also that Ebay does not having clear avenues for reporting and doing something about fraud spotted by collectors.

I can handle most of the dislikes listed in this thread just fine, especially the personal reasons people collect, what they want and how they want to get there, but a feeling of being ripped off drives people from the hobby like no other.

One more issue - people saying they don't like Upper Deck without having a reason to do so. I used to dislike Presspass and Sage, but they actually brought college collectors into the hobby. I still don't buy the products, but I never said a word because some people do like those brands. UD has the best redemption program around now (If redemptions are ever good) - Why? People were feeling frauded by not receiving what the company had committed so they complained so much/bought elsewhere it cost UD money.

Great thread and input all!

Cheers

Posted by: Son of Dad Mar 6 2008, 09:12 PM

So expensive and often the reward is not worth the money. But its those PC items that keep us comming back to buy more. I think this is more addictive than any drug out there. lol

Posted by: tex333 Mar 6 2008, 09:15 PM

This topic.

Posted by: ffman Mar 6 2008, 09:17 PM

Then maybe you'll like this one:

http://www.tradingcardcentral.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=115323

Posted by: tex333 Mar 6 2008, 09:19 PM

I did enjoy reading both, I just had a sudden urge to make a sarcastic remark in a random thread in Hobby Talk and happened to pick this one.

Posted by: ffman Mar 6 2008, 09:20 PM

I'm a little disappointed that this thread has more posts than the other topic.

Posted by: marcus42 Mar 7 2008, 05:18 PM

well it's easier to point out the bad than the good in this world and I'm afraid this topic proved so .

Maybe there needs to be more done to make the hobby more enjoyable?

I wish companies would move back to a set building focus. Not leaving out the auto's or GU's but including more players outside of the stars on each team (like lineman and defensive players).

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Mar 7 2008, 05:55 PM

Yeah, auto stickers. Anybody wanna buy an Adrian Peterson signed fishtank?

Posted by: chopinalex Mar 19 2008, 12:00 AM

I hate ebay shill bidders..they ruin it for the rest of us!..i wish i could throw a brick at there face..

Posted by: snowblink Mar 20 2008, 12:44 PM

That's been a problem in this hobby ever since Pacific bowed out..I hate that a player can be on the team for years and not get a single issue released. Leaves a hole in the true team collector's box...

Posted by: marcus42 Mar 20 2008, 12:50 PM

Precisely..it's hard collecting my team, the Browns, because they have only two maybe three players base cards in over I'd say 90% of all sets...its frustrating.

Posted by: nameant Mar 20 2008, 12:52 PM

Investors.

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Mar 20 2008, 01:09 PM

Wall Street or Cardboard?

Posted by: booth9919 Mar 20 2008, 01:12 PM

the things that i dont like are the people who are in the hobby for all the wrong reasons. and that the average pack price is around $15, i remember when i was a little kid i could go to the store and get ten packs of cards for 10 bucks, and be happy with what you got.

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Mar 20 2008, 01:31 PM

Sticker Autographs. For those who beg to differ and say it makes no difference - what happens when they put those stickers on memorabilia - or worse, use sticker autographs at a show instead of the actual athlete signing?
______________________________________________________

The so-called "investors".

Companies overpricing their product.

The soon-to-be non-used patch/swatch cards. This idea is DOOMED to fail from the start.

Ebay shillers and con-artists.

Posted by: baseballguy601 Mar 20 2008, 01:45 PM

I also do NOT like these.


Another one is the ridiculous shipping prices. It's hard to collect a lot of the guys I do (Tim Stauffer,Ryan Wagner, Jose Cappellan) because the cards are cheap, but shipping is ridiculous.

Posted by: baseballguy601 Mar 20 2008, 01:47 PM

I've never seen this before...you mean they do those at shows?



I hate that to but everyone does it. I know two VERY WELL RESPECTED MEMBERS whom I have personally see shill bid on their own items. What do you guys think about THAT!?

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Mar 20 2008, 01:52 PM

I'd like to see that happen....

Posted by: baseballguy601 Mar 20 2008, 02:00 PM

why would you want to see that?

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Mar 20 2008, 02:04 PM

Because I am an anti-(AU)sticker advocate. And it would wake up the public as how they are being swindled by the card companies.

Posted by: baseballguy601 Mar 20 2008, 02:34 PM

How so.... we are still getting the auto of the player...I don't open a pack to meet the player. When I go to a show where an athlete is appearing, I expect to meet the player and have them sign my item.

Posted by: GA_Pack_Fan Mar 21 2008, 11:36 AM

What I don't like about the hobby is how in the past 10 years or so card collecting has gottn away from being about the thrill of opening up a pack to find your favorite players for the joy of doing it and has turned into a $100/box insert driven hobby.

It is hard to explain to my son how it used to be to be able to go buy a few packs for a buck or two and rip them open to look for my favorite players, whenmay packs now cost an unreal amount. All anyone wants is the G/U or the Auto's or the short prints.

I bought my son a box of score football because it is reasonable in price and he had a great time opening them. If he found an occasional insert or auto he was thrilled but that is not the reason he collects.

Just my 2 centys

Posted by: ffman Mar 27 2008, 04:18 PM

Great post!

I also think it's unfortunate that when a collector IS thrilled by a small pull, other collectors mock him/her.

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Mar 27 2008, 04:35 PM

Why should you expect any less? There are those who do not have the time or the means to go to a show where their favorite player is signing. So I guess it wouldn't matter to you if you met the player and he slaps an AU sticker on your item, right? I mean, he still signed that sticker, so now it's on your item.

Posted by: ffman Mar 27 2008, 04:36 PM

Maybe next we can buy sticker-autographed automobiles.

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Mar 27 2008, 04:40 PM

Why not? Hey, you wanna buy an autographed fishtank? How about a calendar? You can have your thumb autographed too! Gimmie time and I'll place Ted Ginn, Chad Johnson, or anyone else I have a sticker auto of.

Posted by: Johnny Number 5 Mar 27 2008, 04:42 PM

I cannot stand the term "Ebay 1/1"

j5

Posted by: coltsfan23 Mar 27 2008, 04:45 PM

Since I never have bought a box, I can't say I have experienced the disappointment of high priced boxes and pulling nothing. What does bug me though, is the people who constantly complain about how high box prices are and then they are the same people buying thousands of dollars of boxes a week or every other week. Not only that, but there seem to be TONS of these types of people nowadays. Additionally, the collectors themselves have reduced the interest of me collecting lately. It's still fun to collect cards, but members haven't really helped.. That is weird, because it generally should be quite the opposite...

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Mar 27 2008, 04:51 PM

Pssssst......

Posted by: marcus42 Mar 27 2008, 09:20 PM

Well said!!! I know what I'm getting into when busting wax, and am tired of people thinking they will hit big in every box.

Posted by: snowblink Mar 28 2008, 05:50 PM

Members who have stuff only for sale, but never for trade.

Posted by: chopinalex Mar 28 2008, 05:58 PM

thanks for this post!
Those complainers are the most annoying!

Posted by: chopinalex Mar 28 2008, 06:00 PM

[quote=19th Century Indiana Jones,Mar 20 2008, 12:31 PM]
[font=Arial]Sticker Autographs. For those who beg to differ and say it makes no difference - what happens when they put those stickers on memorabilia - or worse, use sticker autographs at a show instead of the actual athlete signing?
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I think sticker autos are used a lot because they probably receive a lot back damaged..so they either go and have them sign in front of them or use sticker autos..

Posted by: TroySmith10 Mar 30 2008, 10:17 AM

how expensive packs are now..its takes teh fun out of the hobby

Posted by: guru1979 Mar 31 2008, 10:03 PM

true that! i have seen an awful lot of snots making comments like that here. For instance "I dont make trades for anything less than $20.00." OR "I only trade high end items". I am here because I enjoy card collecting. Not because I am a money hungry snob.

Posted by: ffman Apr 1 2008, 04:32 PM

That doesn't bother me; I feel a collector can trade/collect however he/she wants. However, it is discouraging when a collector makes fun of another's cards.

Posted by: tex333 Apr 2 2008, 07:33 AM

Jethro

Posted by: ffman Apr 3 2008, 11:59 AM

What's wrong with Jethro? He might be a little technologically-backward and all, but that's alright.

Posted by: coltsfan23 Apr 4 2008, 05:19 PM

Personally, that doesn't bother me either. I'm somewhat like that and I'm sure others are as well, because I can't drive yet and am limited in my ability to go to the PO and mail stuff. The ability to get lots of supplies, such as bubble mailers, stamps, etc might be limited.

Posted by: marcus42 Apr 5 2008, 10:51 AM

That case is definitely understandable..but I assume the people that bother him are the ones that put themselves above trades of that value.

I for one, only trade autographs online because I have a shop in my town that carries tons of base where I can get them there, so it eliminates the need to trade for base online.

Posted by: autocut Apr 27 2008, 07:37 AM

There are so many things I don't like about the hobby that I don't even know where to start.

1. Perception of prices - People see the price guide as a bible. If the price guide lists a card at $5, but it sells for $25, people will side with the price guide. The same for a card that list at $50 but sales for $5 all day, people side with the price guide.

2. People always want something for nothing - always wanting to "trade" stuff they don't want for high end stuff or hot stuff. Or want to pay $10 for something that normally sells for $60-$100. It's cool to want nice cards, but you have to stay within your budget.

3. Integrity of the hobby - Do you really believe companies are honest? They are business and capital is the bottom line. Most companies use vendors to press up cards, so within these vendors, who knows what slips out the backdoor. That's how a lot of errors come about and card companies know only what the vendors put in the paperwork.

4. Authencity of Autographs - Since most companies have went to stickers, it seems the authenticity is only as good as the athletes who sign them. Most sign them, but a lot of them get family members to help sign some. So, you may get an athlete's wife or cousin signature. They usually send the stickers or cuts to athletes through his agent or athlete themselves and they sign them at home.

5. Cost & Value - The cost of product doesn't justify the value of cards. Cards, for the most part, are like cars. They devalue as soon as they come out of the lot (or wrapper).

6. Condition Sensitive - Pristine, Gem Mint, Mint, Near Mint, etc. All a marketing scheme to pull more money out of your pockets. Why don't companies just print cards on acetate plastic? That would solve most of that problem. And if you thinking because of cost, I know better. I work for a paper plant. The cost of scrap paper "fiber" is expensive. Less trees to cut down if they printed on acetate.

7. Creativity - Card companies have ran out of ideas and always flooding the market on inserts instead of focusing on the quality of base cards. Remember the days of 89 Hoops with David Robinson RC SP. Yes, that product flooded the market, but look at the demand that card had. Now if you had a quality base set with SP'd RC (unannounced print run, but would be around 250-500) and 1 autograph set, that would be a nice set. When print runs are released, that sort of spoils the fun. Once people start ripping packs and noticing they not pulling certain cards, it drives up demand which drives up value. When print run is released, cards start out at peak in price and have only one direction to go.

8. Too many RCs - Too many different brand of RCs just kills it. It water downs the market and soften the value on RCs (spreads out the demand).

Posted by: ffman Apr 27 2008, 12:31 PM

Thanks for the post. I especially agree on points 3, 7 and partly on 8.

Posted by: autocut Apr 28 2008, 12:33 AM

After receiving information from card companies vs. the info I got after doing some research, I don't trust any company.

Posted by: ffman Apr 28 2008, 11:05 AM

If you haven't already, take a look at sell sheets for 2007 Topps Finest Baseball. They advertise Pujols autographs, which were inserted in the final product.

Posted by: sportscollectoroz Apr 30 2008, 11:18 PM

Have a new dislike: all of these custom "cut auto" cards that people are making and trying to sell on eBay

Posted by: autocut May 1 2008, 04:50 AM

hehehe now what's wrong with them?

Posted by: ffman May 1 2008, 11:08 AM

I don't know about those, but I don't like the custom "patch" cards some eBayers try to sell. But, at least some of the sellers state in their description that they are custom-made.

Posted by: autocut May 1 2008, 08:19 PM

I don't mind custom autos of they are nicely designed.

Posted by: sportscollectoroz May 2 2008, 07:44 PM

Stuff like this.
eBay Auction (Item number: 350054038754)

Yeah. I'll give them credit for saying it's custom. I just hate having to go through all of them when I do my searches.

Posted by: autocut May 2 2008, 07:51 PM

That's a reprint though. Not an autograph.

Posted by: sportscollectoroz May 2 2008, 07:53 PM

I'm aware of that, but it still comes up in the searches for "cut auto."

Posted by: junior1023 May 4 2008, 08:33 PM

LOL x10000 I remember this night. I guess our "secret" didnt stay secret though. Thank you for making me laugh. I needed it.

Posted by: metsfan2427 May 8 2008, 07:08 PM

The Prices

Posted by: ffman May 23 2008, 11:49 AM

I don't like deceptive/fraudulent sellers on eBay.

Posted by: marcus42 May 23 2008, 12:54 PM

or people who list a Prestige RC or Contenders Rookie Ticket auto as a SP even though it is not!

Posted by: roughridercisd May 23 2008, 04:01 PM

its just cardboard get over it already.

Posted by: Froosh Jun 11 2008, 12:24 AM

As a guy just getting back into this hobby after a long hiatus, I am astounded at all the high-end super expensive products and the tiny amount of cheaper product put out by companies. I realize that it's probably really exciting to get a card with a piece of a jersey or autograph of a favorite player but when it becomes an obsession I really feel that it sucks all the fun out of the hobby. Since that is what companies seem to be emphasizing now, it just makes collecting cards seem like everyone's trying to get a card with a really high value to sell to some rich guy on ebay and retire off the money earned. Also reading the promotion sheets the wording makes it seem like you're going to pull one in every pack you buy. I can't really blame the companies for this as their priority is to make money and keep the stock holders happy, but it is just such a difference from when I collected before (I'm sure this stuff was around back then too, I just wasn't exposed to it as a kid).

I feel like I've just started back from where I left off with collecting though, and the best part about it for me is opening up a box of something reasonably priced and putting together the set. I just enjoy having all those cards in a completed set to look at in those plastic binder pages, going over the stats on the back, taking in all the detail on the front of the card, etc. I don't think there will ever be a day where I spend $225.99 on a box containing a grand total of 2 cards (UD Black), that just doesn't appeal to me at all.

I realize that I've rambled along here, so if you didn't bother to read everything above, then in short what I do not like about this hobby is the overemphasis on these special insert cards and how everything has to be about getting that super special card that's worth a lot.

Posted by: jaderock Jun 11 2008, 12:29 AM

Froosh...welcome back to the hobby...yes I agree that everything is geared towards the high end buyers...the kids and budget minded collectors are a "niche" in the eyes of the manufacturers now. That said, you can always find "high end" stuff for relatively low prices on ebay if you get lucky!

Posted by: ffman Jun 11 2008, 09:55 AM

Thanks for expressing how you feel and welcome back to the hobby!

Posted by: leoliotigpan Jun 13 2008, 11:20 PM

This may sound counterintuitive, but the main thing that's making me get out of the hobby is online trading. While I've met some great people along the way, I've also met some people that really lack social skills. I noticed someone made a comment several pages back that if this is a hobby, there shouldn't be so much negativity or hard feelings (paraphrasing). I totally agree...and that's why I no longer have a desire to be in. Trading cards has actually turned into something negative because of so many sour experiences dealing with people online. It seems like because the interaction takes place through a computer screen, some people resort to name-calling, rude/inconsiderate posts, unreasonable demands, etc. I have had these experiences on all six cards sites I belong to, as well as eBay, so it is not site-specific. I miss the good 'ol days when I would buy the 25 cent packs of Pro Set and would round up my friends to do in-person trading. Online trading cannot touch that.

Posted by: jaderock Jun 13 2008, 11:43 PM

Over the last 6 month- ish, I've notice that you were selling/giving away so much of your collection (of which I took up your offer on the Brunells -THANK YOU very much!). I understand what you are saying and see it myself. It's a shame to see such a nice person leave the hobby. HOpe you can hang around to discuss cards and sports tho

Posted by: leoliotigpan Jun 14 2008, 12:00 AM

Thanks jaderock, I appreciate the kind words. I'll still be around, mixing things up in the general topics forums, for better or worse. I actually had a breakthrough the other day...I started listing all my cards on ebay for $0.99, and when an $80 card sold for $7.50, I was okay with it. It finally has sunk in that a card is only worth what someone will pay for it. My goal is to get everything listed on ebay and sold by the end of summer. Maybe I will return to the hobby when I have a career...or maybe I'll go back to improving my golf game.

Posted by: Kmart6nets Jun 14 2008, 08:28 AM

Any tips would be greatly appreciated

Posted by: ffman Jun 14 2008, 11:13 AM

I agree that there are those traders online who only care about the trade, book value/sell value and nothing else. However, there are also plenty of members who try to make online trading a positive and good thing.

Good comparison with the bolded sentence though.

Posted by: tex333 Jun 17 2008, 02:30 PM

The word sick describing a card.

Posted by: ffman Jun 17 2008, 02:33 PM

Indeed!

It gets annoying seeing "sick" over and over again when related to a card. The connection doesn't make much sense.

Posted by: marcus42 Jun 17 2008, 02:38 PM

it's just a 'slang' term now a days...sick and nasty are replacing groovy, I can't think of any older words like this

Posted by: tex333 Jun 17 2008, 02:39 PM

It seems to be a fad mostly with the younger members though. Hopefully it will pass, just like all the other fad's that roll through here.

Posted by: marcus42 Jun 17 2008, 03:19 PM

i bet it will just may last a little longer than the usual ones

Posted by: Kmart6nets Jun 17 2008, 04:14 PM

What year is it???

Posted by: marcus42 Jun 17 2008, 04:53 PM

words like that

hey I'll still hear it every once and while

Posted by: über Jun 17 2008, 05:04 PM

1. Sellers that ask the buyer to make an offer on their item

2. I'm getting annoyed with all the people listing cards or money available, and saying they will not check buckets. It would be understandable if someone had a huge one that'd be a pain to look through, but I don't understand why some people are that lazy. If it is a time constraint, I can understand that.

3. The whole 'war' between BV and SV. Personally, I don't care. I would prefer to go by sell value, but I don't get why so many people hate it.

4. People asking too much on their cards at card shows. And the whole "Everything is 50% off of BV"

Posted by: ffman Jun 29 2008, 09:12 PM

When people say "Scans FT!"

Are you trading the card, or the scan?

Posted by: RGBII Jun 29 2008, 09:18 PM

Touche!, if I pay or trade for a scan, someone please
send me a new prescription.
Collect Hard!,
RGBII

Posted by: 3rdbasestar20 Jul 3 2008, 08:46 AM

3. product with a huge price tag with sub par rookie autos (spx baseball)
2. redemptions nuff said
1.packsearching WHY ?? why do you take aj burnett jersey cards away from people they dont sell for anything

Posted by: Stlouisrams1600 Jul 3 2008, 09:01 AM

PACKSEARCHING for me and the Hight pricetags on the boxes/packs and stuff

Posted by: jaderock Jul 3 2008, 01:09 PM

More things I dislike regarding this hobby:

People that don't collect for THEMSELVES and need others to make their decisions for them.

People that are in the hobby with a "profit only" mind set - whether it be trading, prospecting, etc.

People that aren't focused on what they enjoy about the hobby, but instead go "crazy" and buy EVERYTHING only to say "I quit/hat the hobby" months later.

Redemptions that aren't redeemable.

Posted by: ffman Jul 3 2008, 01:12 PM

Aye.

Posted by: Hallsgator Jul 3 2008, 02:11 PM

I enjoy profits.

Posted by: metsfan2427 Jul 9 2008, 10:05 AM

i hate that to

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Jul 9 2008, 10:08 AM

Good. Send some my way.

Posted by: athopesend Jul 9 2008, 11:22 PM

Box Breaks where the Raiders are "Randomized". Hey it's not my fault they are always in last place and end up getting the top draft picks that everybody wants the cards of just to turn around and sell. What about the good ole team collectors who just want the players cause they are part of the team. I get more excited pulling a Raider insert, parallel or whatever than most of the "hits" of other teams that I pull. How bout "randomizing" the Packers or Colts for once...it would be just the same to pull a Favre or Manning auto.

Posted by: marcus42 Jul 9 2008, 11:28 PM

that's what gets me sometimes in the group breaks...teams are randomized because of Rookies, but DLP it's tough because most teams have legends that are more desirable than the rookies (Bears, Packers??)

Posted by: athopesend Jul 9 2008, 11:44 PM

I agree with ya there. I'd take a legend over a rookie any day.

Posted by: ffman Jul 22 2008, 12:22 PM

I don't enjoy the lack of TCC trading for me lately....

Posted by: mvpujols#5 Jul 22 2008, 12:28 PM

But, i do enjoy just trading for a Jevon Kearse RC on-card Autograph, and an eddie George Autograph!!

Posted by: coltsfan23 Jul 22 2008, 12:31 PM

I agree w/ this, although it's picked up this past week for me.

Posted by: ffman Jul 22 2008, 12:33 PM

Baseball trading will be picking up big time in a day or two (Allen and Ginter). It's time for Richard and Steve to rack up the deals.

Posted by: skatalite Jul 22 2008, 12:33 PM

Chicken nuggets.

Miley Cyrus.

The Rolling Stones.

Salmonella ruining my jalepenos!

Posted by: coltsfan23 Jul 22 2008, 12:35 PM

Good point.

Posted by: fjt13 Aug 5 2008, 01:22 PM

i hate sticker autos the box says 2 or 3 or how many autos per, but really ther autoghraphed stickers!

Posted by: metsfan2427 Aug 6 2008, 08:49 AM

i hate the people who don't pm you back. you could atleast say no thanks

Posted by: bigalexx Aug 6 2008, 05:03 PM

Beckett....

Posted by: xebulba Aug 8 2008, 12:26 AM

ditto.

Posted by: wezz60 Aug 8 2008, 06:33 PM

Amen to that! Theres this one dude who I've PMed him a few times and replied in multiple of his threads and never heard a thing back!

A few more...

1. Redemptions
2. Ebay 1/1s
3. Upper Deck's high prices (ex. $500 for a box of exquisite bkb. you get 5 cards. 2 of them are base!?!?!? And there are all these terrible players in it (like Nick Fazekas; I've seen him pulled alot in exquisite))
4. Traders that say you have to send 1st because I have more trades then you. I can understand if they have 0 trades done, or less than 5, but if I have 40 and you have 50, I'm not sending 1st!!
5. People who don't post that they recieved their cards the day they get them
6. People who REFUSE to trade down
7. People who put anything bv 20+ in their PC
8. People who go by sell value
9. People who think base is "crap" or who complain about what they got in a box
12. People who don't collect cards because they love to do it
11. People who have more than 10 things that they don't like about the hobby

Posted by: sportscollector4life Aug 8 2008, 07:03 PM

300TH POST (I DON'T LIKE HOW YOU GO OUT AND BUY A HOBBY BOX FOR LIKE $150 AND THEN YOU SELL THE HITS OUT OF THE BOX AND DON'T EVEN MAKE WHAT YOU PAID FOR IT..)

Posted by: sschind Aug 9 2008, 08:56 AM

4. Traders that say you have to send 1st because I have more trades then you. I can understand if they have 0 trades done, or less than 5, but if I have 40 and you have 50, I'm not sending 1st!!

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Are saying that they have to send first or would you agree to send at the same time? If they have to send first you are saying that you don't like people like you. Don't get me wrong, I can understand where you are coming from but if people don't agree to send at the same time someone has to send first.

I still stand by my conviction of "if you don't feel comfortable sending first you probably shouldn't be making the trade"


I don't like it when people feel cheated when they can't sell the hit out of a box for more than they paid for the box. Its not an investment hobby people. Some individual cards perhaps but boxes are like the lottery at best. Its a gamble that you will get anything close to what you paid for. If you are looking for a guaranteed return on your money you shouldn't be buying boxes of sports cards. Sorry Sportscollector, I'm not meaning to pick on you specifically and of course I feel your pain but face it, most people will tell you the same thing.

That goes along with wezz's #12
12. People who don't collect cards because they love to do it

If you are only in it for the money (not saying you are SC) chances are you will end up disappointed unless you are very lucky or very wealthy to begin with.

Posted by: ffman Sep 1 2008, 03:54 PM

I dislike not having convenient access to book value anymore.

I sometimes dislike the difficulty of trading with limited resources.

Posted by: 10alex10 Sep 1 2008, 03:55 PM

i dislike the cost

Posted by: ffman Sep 1 2008, 03:58 PM

Me too.

While I like finding new things to collect, I dislike finding too many new things to collect. Right now I am juggling a few different "collections" (Sosa, Wright, 500 HR Club, Vince Young), and I don't know which to focus on the most.

Posted by: wezz60 Sep 6 2008, 07:54 PM

Focus on 500 club if you ask me. You only need 4 more!

Posted by: wrightfan4 Sep 6 2008, 07:56 PM

the hobby is getting tooooo expensive

Posted by: Iplayfootball_90 Sep 6 2008, 08:37 PM

The cost kills me.

I've got to where I hate buying boxes and packs because even if I pull a GU or Auto, it's usually something I can't even use as tradebait. Which is why I now buy a lot of cards directly from the person who has them so I can gurantee a PC item.

Sure, I don't get the thrill of pulling it myself, but at least I'm getting what I'm looking for instead of spending my money on cards that will sit in my room and collect dust.

Posted by: Hallsgator Sep 6 2008, 09:19 PM

I love that JPA had a big year, but I hate that his cards have increased a lot.

Posted by: chopinalex Sep 6 2008, 09:20 PM

buy score!

Posted by: miguelcabrera Sep 6 2008, 10:07 PM

i hate the ppl who wanna giv u base cards and a few GU for a derek lee/carlos lee dual auto /25

Posted by: Eliptic Sep 6 2008, 10:40 PM

I hate that I cant move my Vince Young RC Auto for a nice Braylon

Posted by: ffman Sep 6 2008, 10:46 PM

I would deal if I had a Braylon for it!

Posted by: Iplayfootball_90 Sep 6 2008, 10:55 PM

I'm actually surprised you can't make that deal.

Posted by: sschind Sep 16 2008, 10:29 PM

I know what you mean but honestly I don't think there is a right or a wrong reason to collect. People don't collect for right or wrong reasons, they collect for there own reasons. I don't care why you collect and I don't hate you for collecting (although sometimes I have a hard time calling it collecting) for the reasons you do. I don't hate you for wanting to make money on the hobby. What I hate is when you start complaining that a card you spent a ton of money on is now worth half of what you paid for it, or that you spent next months rent on a box of cards and you won't be able to get your money back out of it. That's what I hate.

I hate people asking others who they should collect based on what the potential for profit is.

I hate it when a 7 year old pulls a card out of a pack and the first words out of his mouth are "what's it book for?"

I hate it when you pull a card out of a pack and the dealer says wow, that books for "x" amount when you both know ###### well that you will be lucky to get 25% of that if you were to try to sell it.

I hate when a veteran who has already played for 3 teams gets traded to, or is signed as a free agent by the Green bay Packers and the next day you 25 lots of his cards from those teams are listed on Ebay with the word Packers in the description. These are not PACKERS cards people. They are Raiders, Chiefs and Broncos cards. (or whichever teams he played for)

I hate it when a back up is suddenly thrust into the starting role due to an injury to the star and the price of his cards skyrocket and six months later, after his cards have plummeted again all those people who jumped in and bought at the high prices are now all ticked off because they lost a lot of money. Well, OK, so I really sort of like it when that happens but I'm sure we are all guilty of a little schadenfreude at one time or another.

Posted by: sschind Sep 16 2008, 10:41 PM

Actually, If I were to pull a Derek Lee/Carlos Lee dual auto/25 I would be very happy to trade it for Packers base and a few GU that I need for my collection. If I pulled a $500.00 auto (just pulled that # out of the air) I would trade it for 50 $10.00 packers cards in a heartbeat. Heck, even if I pulled a $500.00 Favre (as a Packer) card I would consider trading it for many more lower price cards. In that case I would probably insist that the value of the lower end be skewed a bit in my favor since I would be trading away a card that would fit into my collection but I would still be willing to do the trade just to increase my collection.

Posted by: miguelcabrera Sep 16 2008, 11:32 PM

then i can give u some packer base and a GU or 2 for one f ur autos of a non packer

lets go

Posted by: sschind Sep 17 2008, 08:29 AM

I opened my last pack about 12 years ago and I have long since gotten rid of anything I don't want. Now I only buy things I want so I don't have any extra stuff lying around. I agree with you in the sense that I would not trade a $100.00 auto for $10.00 in base and a couple of $5.00 GU but it has nothing to do with the base/GU/Auto issue, it's a value issue. Give me equal value and I don't care what it is, I'll trade anything I don't want for something I do want.

For example, on sportslots, I just spent about $20.00 to get almost 50 Robert Brooks base and a few cheap inserts (only 2 cards were over $1.00) If you were to offer me 250 similar Packers cards that I needed for my collection I would trade a $100.00 auto in a heartbeat.

Posted by: Solid133 Sep 19 2008, 09:33 PM

I hate how people only buy cards then immediately throw it all on eBay, whats the point of even opening it if your not going to get your money back and don't even collect cards. I also hate how cards are being watered down and lessen the values of other cards, way to many autos per product and an over abudance of HOF autos

Posted by: Pastretta Sep 26 2008, 11:46 PM

Noooooooooo!!! Singles, baby, singles!!!!!!

I hate redumptions, high prices on wax, companies having no-name players in their products/checklists(Not everyone is Tom Brady!), trolls on message boards, Moderators that do not police their forums enough(FCB-Topps Message Board), low-ballers and finally PACK SEARCHERS!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Cincinnatigrl Sep 28 2008, 01:23 AM

I dont like it when people are opeing a box of cards and they dont even care about the base cards. Some people watching those videos or waiting for people to post the breaks would be grateful to have the base cards because a lot of people can't afford all of those high end products.

Posted by: chopinalex Sep 28 2008, 02:03 AM

ya i know what u mean..theres a guy in SA that does that...i dont know what he is trying to accomplish..

Posted by: coltsfan23 Sep 28 2008, 02:17 AM

At least the owner on FCB is active now, as opposed to on here.

I hate members who complain about those who invest money in cards and resell. I mean, they can "collect" cards however they want, there's nothing wrong with it. It's just a different way of enjoying cards. There's no true right or wrong way to being in the hobby. Sure, you can call it a hobby or investing or both. But, that doesn't make it wrong per se.

Posted by: sschind Sep 28 2008, 02:57 AM

You are right, there is no right or wrong way to collect. I'm not so sure that people are that opposed to buying and reselling or investing. I know I'm not, what bothers me is when people pay big bucks for the new hot card, be it a hot player or a hot set, and then complain 6 months down the road when they can't get half their money back out of it. Or when they bust a $300.00 box and then complain that they can't sell the cards they got for the price of the box. My opinion, buy, sell, speculate, all you want, just don't whine about your losses and blame the cards or the companies. It's like any other form of gambling. You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and there you have...

oops sorry, went a little further than I had intended on that one.

By the way, when I first glanced at the picture of Manning in your sig banner I thought it looked a bit like Al Bundy. No offense.

Posted by: Pastretta Sep 28 2008, 09:27 AM

PM Sent

Posted by: harley2001 Sep 28 2008, 04:06 PM

$20 or more packs with 7 cards in them.
Kids can hardly buy a pack a cards anymore at those prices.

Posted by: coltsfan23 Sep 28 2008, 04:09 PM

Oh, from what I've seen, some people get very very mad and are opposed to buying/reselling of cards.

I hate whiners as well, especially those who expect to get money back after buying a box and then as you said, blaming companies for their addiction.

I don't know who Al Bundy is, but even if I did, I prob wouldn't care less. It's not like I'm Peyton Manning.

Posted by: Deltapine Sep 30 2008, 11:43 AM

About the only thing I dislike is the lack of competition. It's across all genres, but specifically in racing cards. I think a little competition would better serve all types of collectors.

Posted by: northicehero99 Sep 30 2008, 12:06 PM

Wow, where to start:

Overproduction needs reduction.

Sets where there are not 150 sps that make it to hard to build it.

Lack of value in boxes. Yes I do not expect to pull a great card every time but I would at least like to pull something that is not just 2-3 $10 or $20 gu for a $100 box, or if it is at least quarantee me that one of them is a 2-3 color patch for the money, so even if I get a $15 gu at least it is something nice looking.

One color or White jersey swatches - I know they are more common, but why not try to make sure as I said above that each box has one nice peice (multicolored)

Box prices - would like to see more lower end products with nicer stuff, instead of all the good swatches going into the high end stuff.

Posted by: northicehero99 Sep 30 2008, 12:08 PM

Google "Married with Children" he is the father charachter on that show. It was a hilarious show.

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Sep 30 2008, 01:13 PM

Posted by: ffman Sep 30 2008, 02:19 PM

It almost feels like there is TOO much competition for some athletes.

For example, compare card prices for two very similar 3B - David Wright and Miguel Cabrera. Both put up similar numbers each year, but prices are much higher for Wright due to competition.

Posted by: bigalexx Sep 30 2008, 03:00 PM

Im confused, because you want value in your boxes, yet you dont like over production. If they put multi colored swatches in every box, then those would become over produced, just like autos and gu.

Posted by: ffman Oct 1 2008, 11:07 AM

People who do not try to help or encourage young participants in the hobby.

Posted by: Iplayfootball_90 Oct 1 2008, 11:32 AM

I have the same problem collecting Quinn.

But, I guess that's what I get for collecting one of Notre Dame's best QB's ever.

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Oct 1 2008, 11:40 AM

I didn't know Quinn was buff like that. (Aspire)

Posted by: northicehero99 Oct 1 2008, 11:42 AM

I did not say every card in the box, but it would be nice to at least be able to get one a box, and in case you have not already noticed even they are overproduced and carry little more value than a common gu.

In addition, by overproduction, I am referring to the 20 sets featuring all of the same players year after year after year and the 5,000,000 boxes of those products that causes the values to fall once the new products are released. Really do we need 20 sets per manufacturer? What is the difference between Elite, Classics, LCM, Prestige in base sets? Not much, it is not like they are adding those obscure players on teams into those sets. Not that I want more scrubs, but my point is why do we need 20 versions of the same thing. There were 1000s of players people collect from past and present, why not mix it up somewhat from product to product. I swear when I opened some stuff it was like dejavu as the players and card numbers were the same from set to set.

Posted by: Iplayfootball_90 Oct 2 2008, 06:12 PM

I also hate looking up pictures of Quinn to use as an avatar and I get pictures of him with his shirt off....no thanks.


But oh well, I'll keep my Campbell avatar.

Posted by: coltsfan23 Oct 4 2008, 06:03 PM

- People who replied with a "Check my bucket" after I post scans of cards specifically relating to their thread title and saying to them to PM me if interested in buying. Key word being buying here, not trading. I mean there are reasons why I post specifically buying... Could be that the card is only for sale. Could be because I didn't see anything in your photobucket, in the first place. I mean people need to use common sense. I know it's a sports card forum, but still. You'd think SOME would exist, sometimes.

Posted by: ffman Oct 4 2008, 11:27 PM

Or if a member posts a topic "Looking to sell", and several people post "CMB", "Check my bucket", etc. Basically the same thing as your point though.

Posted by: urbanmonk Oct 5 2008, 01:23 AM

Sometimes I think people don't always take the time to read, even when it is spelled out like that. Too much of a hurry, that or indifference, hard to say. I have had contests where I put in Bold even " card is numbered between 00-50" and I still get guesses over 50 . Same as when someone has llisted what they are looking for specifically and people do the CMB post too. Everyone makes mistakes or miss things, but some do it consistantly it seems.

Posted by: ffman Oct 7 2008, 02:25 PM

I know - it's amazing. I just read another topic where the creator clearly said "leave offers - I don't want to check buckets". Yet, the first person to reply included "cmb" in his reply.

Posted by: coltsfan23 Oct 7 2008, 02:28 PM

I rarely have threads like that, but my first few replies are seemingly always "cmb." What's worse is that they can't actually spell it out and that it is their whole post.

Posted by: ffman Oct 7 2008, 02:30 PM

I know it's "convenient" to use text-speak all the time, but I like my most posting style to say more about me than "lazy" or something negative.

Posted by: doomhammer Oct 7 2008, 08:32 PM

I want more offensive lineman auto, jersey cards!!!!

Posted by: ffman Oct 7 2008, 08:39 PM

More of both O-Lineman AND D-Lineman! Both are fairly underrepresented in the card world.

Posted by: urbanmonk Oct 8 2008, 01:43 PM

I get enough of the low numbered parallel kicker cards (usually what I pull if it's numbered under 50), I don't need a low numbered parallel of a 2nd string Lineman

Posted by: DawgPound24 Oct 8 2008, 04:50 PM

I dont like base cards, what i mean is that im to willing to pay high dollar for high end boxes, and my wife is learning to hate this hobby

Posted by: hodee5 Oct 10 2008, 02:28 PM

One thing lately that bugs the stuffing out of me is "Buy this card and trade it to me!" posts.......

Posted by: AMG Oct 14 2008, 08:45 PM

-Complete over saturation of products.

The Baseball Beckett looks like a small phone book now. I guess I'm old fashion, I miss the simpler times of the hobby.

Posted by: STLcardinals888 Oct 18 2008, 08:39 AM

How traders with high-end cards say stuff like don't sow me low-mid end bucket.

I just hate high-end cards overall.

ALSO WHEN PEOPLE DONT RETURN PM'S AND RESPOND TO THREADS!!!

Posted by: osufan2383 Oct 18 2008, 08:57 AM

I don't like how certain people will come in and buy up like 3 boxes worth of cards and if i purchase one pack and pull something good. They whine and moan how i got something. It is just pure luck.

Posted by: cardinal Oct 20 2008, 09:52 PM

just the money i spend and me getting ripped off on cards, annoys me badly.

Posted by: coltsfan23 Oct 21 2008, 01:34 PM

Then why do it? I mean it's totally controllable.

Posted by: marcus42 Oct 21 2008, 07:46 PM

It would be less of an issue if Overproduction weren't such a big player...

if the other post was talking about box breaks...

Posted by: coltsfan23 Oct 21 2008, 07:48 PM

I assumed he was talking about boxes/packs, because if he bought singles, his point wouldn't even apply.

Posted by: marcus42 Oct 21 2008, 07:58 PM

could if he's not a smart shopper

Posted by: CardCraze Oct 21 2008, 08:48 PM

People who always want more. I am awful with cards right now, just anything I can offer. I'm hoping to get some for Christmas. But back when I did have the trade bait, I saw a lot of Higgins or Hagan cards that would have been nice for my PC. But every single time it was either

1. They wanted people like John ELway, Dan Marino, Tom Brady, etc. in return.

2. They whine about shipping. I can undertsand you don't want to ship a base card for a base card, but if you don't want to spend the money for shipping, why trade!? Now I am not complaining about slow shippers(I am one lately), but people who ruin an entire deal because they don't want to pay the "outrageous" shipping costs.

Posted by: chopinalex Oct 21 2008, 10:31 PM

Amen to that..i hate that!!

Posted by: snowblink Nov 10 2008, 09:40 PM

May have mentioned this before...but...

The increasing number of "collectors" who treat base like its garbage these days.

Posted by: ffman Nov 10 2008, 09:43 PM

I do too much of that now unless it is base of a player I collect (baseball) or team I collect (FB).

I used to put each star base card I would find in a binder, but I do even less of that today. The card binders are beginning to get full and I'm beginning to run out of room. And, I don't feel like digging through my several binders to get the right binder.

Posted by: Iplayfootball_90 Nov 10 2008, 09:51 PM

It's been mentioned before, but, people who won't give little slack (if any at all) to BV prices of cards.


I can understand if you have a card worth $150 BV you won't want to trade it for a $40-$50 GU/Auto and a bunch of base cards, but, if I have a card that you want at $120-$130 BV and you have the $150 I want, why not maybe let me include another card for your PC with it to trade for it? I just don't see why people won't trade PC for PC even if the trade is a few dollars off of the BV.

Posted by: fsabala Nov 11 2008, 12:12 AM

i dont like how this "hobby" evolved. i remember when I was a kid that i traded without using bv, but then again GUs or autos were non existent back then. we just traded because we liked the hobby and the players on the cards. i just hate how the hobby has turned into an "investment." i just don't get how a lot of kids today collect cards because they look "sick" instead of collecting them because they like the players regardless if it's an auto, gu, or base.

Posted by: Iplayfootball_90 Nov 11 2008, 12:18 AM

I also really dislike not being able to trade anything unless it's an auto, GU, patch, or a really high end RC. Almost no one trades for base/common inserts anymore (except maybe the hardcore player collectors/super collectors.


I don't like people who try to squeeze as much out of you as possible card wise when they know you really want a card they have they hold the card "hostage" just so they can get as much out of you as you will give.

And for people that don't know their limits *cough*me*cough* it's pretty easy to do it with the right Quinn... (disregard that and please don't try to rip me off. )

Posted by: sschind Nov 11 2008, 10:11 AM

I hate that expression (sick) I'm tempted, every time I see that phrase to reply with something like "That is the ugliest card I have ever seen" or "That guy really sucks" Then when I get called on it I can say "Oh, no, you misunderstood me. Ugly means really cool and sucks means really good"

Posted by: ffman Nov 11 2008, 02:59 PM

Me too. I want a "cool" card, not one that isn't going to make me sick!

Posted by: aceecards Nov 11 2008, 03:20 PM

according to the Chris Carlin interview i did..

With the exception of the rookie year or draft event , that is usually the only time you see those players until they are elected to the HOF!

Posted by: jaderock Nov 11 2008, 03:39 PM

That's too bad for team collectors who want some variety in their collection. Lineman on both sides are UNDER represented. I'm sure other collectors would say "WTH whoizit" when they pull these, but I for one miss All-Pro, top of the line, lineman cards and GU/Autos.

Posted by: MISTER X Nov 11 2008, 03:45 PM

PACK SEARCHIN SCUMBAGS THAT MY BROTHER AND I ACCOST AT ALL TARGETS, WALMARTS, KMARTS, MEIERS, GAS STATIONS, GROCERY STORES AND WHEREEVER THEY MAY HANG OUT!

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Nov 11 2008, 04:38 PM

I can deal with that. That means whatever you have of him you probably want to get rid of it.

Posted by: Iplayfootball_90 Nov 11 2008, 07:50 PM

The "super collectors" who don't collect base/inserts/low end RCs of the player they're "super collecting"...

Posted by: rtsjr Nov 12 2008, 05:23 AM

tired of people who say iam starting a collection of someone tell them cards you have, then never get back



or make a deal then get back to you nest days and cancel it because they got a better offer from someone else

Posted by: fishkid Nov 12 2008, 06:03 AM

heres some of mine, although semi new here ive been collecting for about 10 years.

1. I remeber pulling a base card of a superstar and that made a pack worth money, you could pull a jordan base and itd be worth something even lol.

2. Inserts used to be so cool, they looked way better in the past. I mean in today world if its not autoed or have a peice of a jersey i bet 3/4 of the collectors dont even look at it.

3. When did 3/4 of the products become 90-100$ a box, then you have those 500$ packs. i mean what happned to those just wanna buy something to break it boxs with a shot at geting something nice? I remember when a 90-100$ box were high end.

4. THey complain the child and kid collectors are missing, well lower the ###### price of a bo for 100$ and maybe youd see more kids in this hobby. I started at the age of 10 and at this point there is NO WAY i could start in today world

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Nov 12 2008, 07:10 AM

Or self-proclaimed "supercollectors" who have very few or none of the cards of the person they claim to collect. "Oh. I'm just starting to supercollect so-and-so."

Planning to have is not the same as having.

Posted by: 19th Century Indiana Jones Nov 12 2008, 07:12 AM

You'll LOVE the stuff that came out in 1992-94, especially from Fleer and Upper Deck products if you haven't seen them already.

Posted by: ffman Nov 12 2008, 12:43 PM

I agree with the quote 100X.

Posted by: coltsfan23 Nov 12 2008, 03:21 PM

If it bugs you that much...

1. Don't buy boxes then.

2. Buy singles only.

3. Or, you could always buy those $20 blaster boxes.

It's really not that hard to understand this.

Also I think it's very obvious that in order to increase their revenue, many companies have introduced higher end boxes. Now, this also partially came from consumer demand. You have to remember this. There are tons of people that will buy highend boxes and prefer highend boxes. Nothing is gonna change just because YOU want $10 boxes.

Posted by: ffman Nov 12 2008, 04:43 PM

I agree with the overall message coltsfan offered here.

Like any company, Upper Deck, Topps, and DLP are in this for the profit. Therefore, that means catering to every customer - we have the low-end boxes (regular Topps, Topps Opening Day/Kickoff, Upper Deck first edition, etc - I wouldn't advise buying them) and the high-end boxes. I can't blame them for offering high-end products - many buyers eat them up. What I can blame them for is not offering first-class customer service, but that's an entirely different ball game and discussion.

Posted by: osufan2383 Nov 12 2008, 05:34 PM

I sort of miss fleer product.