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Ilovetheheat |
Jun 29 2012, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 29 2012, 10:42 AM) Quoting numbers by the left leaning, partisan, CBO won't get you anywhere with me or probably anyone else.
So you'll listen to Charles Blahous over the CBO? QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 29 2012, 10:42 AM) Quoting numbers by the left leaning, partisan, CBO won't get you anywhere with me or probably anyone else. According to Charles Blahous, who was appointed by Obama and oversees the finances for Social Security and Medicare, those numbers are completely skewed by the federal government's (poor) accounting practices and that Obamacare will actually increase the deficit by $346 billion from 2012-2021, which is his "optimistic" estimate. Find his report here.Brother, Blahous was a George W. Bush economic policy adviser. Secondly, read his report from beginning to end... You cant pick and choose where to apply his logic and reasoning... By Blahous’s accounting, debt as a percentage of GDP would drop to almost zero by 2050. That’s essentially equivalent to the drop predicted by Paul Ryan’s latest “Path to Prosperity” budget. If Blahous’s accounting framework is accurate, there is no long-term debt problem and thus no need for the GOP’s 2013 budget proposal. To prove his report is nonsense Rep. Ryan and his republican cronies didnt even use Blahous's baseline in their own budget plans. No one took his report serious, not even his peers. That report was bogus. It’s really not even saying anything in particular about the Affordable Care Act. It’s saying that the baseline we use to assess all legislation — from Obamacare to Paul Ryan’s budget — is wrong. And it’s saying that we actually don’t have a deficit problem at all. Plenty of health care reform skeptics are praising Blahous's study. But no right wing politicians are using his baseline, so that should tell you its not factual. If it was, they'd be using it and quoting from it.The fact is, the CBO has determined that a repeal would increase the deficit by $147 billion. Brother this worm hole gets DEEP.The center where Blahous works was partly founded by none other than Charles Koch and he's still a board member there. Koch and his brother have personally donated over $40 million and helped raise over $100 million to defeat President Obama. The founder of the center where Blahous works use to head the Koch Industries lobbyist operations in D.C and he's the current president of the Koch charitable foundation. Everyone knows who the Koch brothers are and the power they hold.... No one takes that report serious. Mike, this political wormhole is deep brother...... QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 29 2012, 10:42 AM) Who determines who can, and can't, afford health care? Can I just send a letter in to the government and let them know that I can't afford it? My guess: probably not. Ummmm. How about your IRS tax returns... QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 29 2012, 10:42 AM) You mean like emphatically telling all of America that Obamacare isn't a tax, only to turn it into exactly that? Tax, penalty, whatever Mike... I wont get in into word playing but the fact of the matter is this so called tax wouldnt apply to the average American.... Unless you're rich of course and hiding it from all of us. In fact it helps us....
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mjda |
Jun 29 2012, 01:41 PM
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To be quite honest, Jeremy, I find it extremely difficult to believe what anyone has to say on the matter because it's all just speculation. Nobody REALLY knows what this bill is going to do to our deficit and our already out of control debt problem. I know one thing is for sure, though, "giving" healthcare to millions more Americans is going to cost a LOT of money, and I don't believe it is the rich's responsibility to take care of us. They didn't become successful playing Robin Hood games. QUOTE(Ilovetheheat @ Jun 29 2012, 10:18 AM) Ummmm. How about your IRS tax returns... I'm still unsure how a tax return can adequately determine who can, and can't, afford health care. Will they draw a line at a specific dollar number? If that number is $20,000/year, what if someone makes $20,001/year. How is someone who makes $1/year any more able to pay for Obamacare? Is that all it's going to cost, is $1/year? QUOTE(Ilovetheheat) Tax, penalty, whatever Mike... I wont get in into word playing but the fact of the matter is this so called tax wouldnt apply to the average American.... Unless you're rich of course and hiding it from all of us. Yes, according to the numbers in place now, if they don't change (which I find highly unlikely), I will not have to pay the tax. However, that still doesn't make me think it's right. QUOTE(Ilovetheheat) In fact it helps us.... I never asked for help, especially not from the government. I was raised to believe that if I wanted something, I would just have to work my tail off for it. I've never had, nor have I ever wanted, anything given to me as if I "deserve" it for some fairytale reason. Furthermore, if I wanted to live in a socialist country I'd simply pack my things up and move to one.
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RGBII[/font] Jun 23 2012, 06:11 AM ISLP55 I'll give you that one, but only because of th... Jun 23 2012, 06:31 AM RGBII [b]Mr. Perry,
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[b]I am officially a prognosticator now.
I calle... Jun 28 2012, 05:35 PM mjda
You and everyone else in this country. It's ... Jun 28 2012, 05:48 PM RGBII
[b]By the way, the correct terminology is . . .
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I can't wait to pay into the tax!
Anywa... Jun 29 2012, 04:29 AM ISLP55
SO true...when a polititian (either side) think... Jun 29 2012, 12:29 AM Ilovetheheat
Mike, you know I love ya but every time I hear so... Jun 29 2012, 08:21 AM mjda
Quoting numbers by the left leaning, partisan, C... Jun 29 2012, 09:42 AM ISLP55 Good Debate. I have one Question;
When has ANY bu... Jun 30 2012, 09:36 PM
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