QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 29 2012, 10:42 AM)
Quoting numbers by the left leaning, partisan, CBO won't get you anywhere with me or probably anyone else.
So you'll listen to Charles Blahous over the CBO?
QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 29 2012, 10:42 AM)
Quoting numbers by the left leaning, partisan, CBO won't get you anywhere with me or probably anyone else.
According to Charles Blahous, who was
appointed by Obama and oversees the finances for Social Security and Medicare, those numbers are completely skewed by the federal government's (poor) accounting practices and that Obamacare will actually increase the deficit by $346 billion from 2012-2021, which is his "optimistic" estimate.
Find his report here.Brother, Blahous was a George W. Bush economic policy adviser.
Secondly, read his report from beginning to end... You cant pick and choose where to apply his logic and reasoning...
By Blahous’s accounting, debt as a percentage of GDP would drop to almost zero by 2050. That’s essentially equivalent to the drop predicted by Paul Ryan’s latest “Path to Prosperity” budget. If Blahous’s accounting framework is accurate, there is no long-term debt problem and thus no need for the GOP’s 2013 budget proposal.
To prove his report is nonsense Rep. Ryan and his republican cronies didnt even use Blahous's baseline in their own budget plans. No one took his report serious, not even his peers. That report was bogus. It’s really not even saying anything in particular about the Affordable Care Act. It’s saying that the baseline we use to assess all legislation — from Obamacare to Paul Ryan’s budget — is wrong. And it’s saying that we actually don’t have a deficit problem at all.
Plenty of health care reform skeptics are praising Blahous's study. But no right wing politicians are using his baseline, so that should tell you its not factual. If it was, they'd be using it and quoting from it.The fact is, the CBO has determined that a repeal would increase the deficit by $147 billion.
Brother this worm hole gets DEEP.The center where Blahous works was partly founded by none other than Charles Koch and he's still a board member there. Koch and his brother have personally donated over $40 million and helped raise over $100 million to defeat President Obama. The founder of the center where Blahous works use to head the Koch Industries lobbyist operations in D.C and he's the current president of the Koch charitable foundation. Everyone knows who the Koch brothers are and the power they hold.... No one takes that report serious.
Mike, this political wormhole is deep brother......
QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 29 2012, 10:42 AM)
Who determines who can, and can't, afford health care? Can I just send a letter in to the government and let them know that I can't afford it? My guess: probably not.
Ummmm. How about your IRS tax returns...
QUOTE(mjda @ Jun 29 2012, 10:42 AM)
You mean like emphatically telling all of America that Obamacare isn't a tax, only to turn it into exactly that?
Tax, penalty, whatever Mike... I wont get in into word playing but the fact of the matter is this so called tax wouldnt apply to the average American.... Unless you're rich of course and hiding it from all of us.
In fact it helps us....