Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+ Did the Yankees winning feel joyless to you?

[cardinal]

I must say I left the WS feeling joyless, as if it really didn't matter. In my mind, any season that the Yankees don't win the World Series is a choke. Very similar to the 2007 Celtics season, I felt like the Yankees didn't earn the title, they bought it.

2009 New York Yankees Payroll: 208.1 Million
2009 Pittsburgh Pirates Payroll: 25.2 Million
Alex Rodriguez' 2009 Contract: 33 Million

You could even see it in some of the players' reactions - Jorge Posada just exhaled and held his arms low when all was cheering. I've never really felt like this before after a season's end. Not last year, or the year before, or....ever. Did anyone walk away from the WS feeling the same way i did?

[19th Century Indiana Jones]

What ticked me off was that Matsui wasn't getting any love when the final out came.

[Kmart6nets]

I will NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER respect baseball until there is a salary cap. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

[ffman]

If you've got money, why not spend it?

Don't blame the Yankees (or any other high-budget team in the league) for spending so much - blame MLB for not having a salary cap.

[northicehero99]

Honestly great for the Yankees, but the system needs fixed. I think more visiting fans filled PNC park this year than locals. I have never been a big baseball fan, but as long as teams are not forced to spend to be competitive, the winner really cannot be crowned "World Champion".

It is a joke that the Pirates for 17 years have been "rebuilding", but I cannot blame the owners when you are making money and not forced to put a product on the field why not just make money? Anyway, the Pirates are just the Red Sox and Yankees major league farm team as it stands now, as well as some of the other teams.

[Hallsgator]

Who has the second most home-grown players on the roster in the MLB?

Oh that's right, it's the Yankees.

[Hallsgator]

Honestly great for the Yankees, but the system needs fixed.  I think more visiting fans filled PNC park this year than locals.  I have never been a big baseball fan, but as long as teams are not forced to spend to be competitive, the winner really cannot be crowned "World Champion".

It is a joke that the Pirates for 17 years have been "rebuilding", but I cannot blame the owners when you are making money and not forced to put a product on the field why not just make money?  Anyway, the Pirates are just the Red Sox and Yankees major league farm team as it stands now, as well as some of the other teams.

This excuse has been played out long enough. The Pirates have been a poorly run franchise for the past 2 decades, that's not the MLB's fault. The Marlins and Rays have proven you can win on a small budget through your farm system and signing a few key free agents. Even the Braves of the 90s are a good example because they did all their winning with a core of players they developed.

That's the same with this year's Yankees. They have tons of home-grown talent. It all starts within the organization.

Also, the way the revenue sharing system is set up, there is no incentive for the Pirates to win. The owners make more money losing then if they were to spend it to win. That's what needs to be fixed in the MLB, not a salary cap.

[19th Century Indiana Jones]

I won't argue with Cody. He knows waaaaaaaaay hella more than I do how the MLB structure works. And I don't understand how a team/organization can make more money loosing rather than winning.

[Hallsgator]

I won't argue with Cody. He knows waaaaaaaaay hella more than I do how the MLB structure works. And I don't understand how a team/organization  can make more money loosing rather than winning. 

It's all about the revenue sharing system. They way the MLB has it set up, the Pirates owners would make more money finish in the bottom 3-5 teams each year instead of spending that money and possibly competing for the playoffs.

The MLB has no rule on how the owners have to spend their revenue sharing money, so some owners just pocket the money or put it into their other investments.

Here is a good article I read for school that discusses the revenue sharing situation as well if you'd like more info.

http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=...toms&Itemid=155

[cardinal]

Who has the second most home-grown players on the roster in the MLB?

Oh that's right, it's the Yankees.

I really don't think this proves anything because many teams, unlike the Yankees, cannot afford to keep their hot prospects when they blossom.

That's the same with this year's Yankees. They have tons of home-grown talent. It all starts within the organization.

I am more than confident in saying that if the Yankees didn't spend a total of over 500 million dollars in the signings of A.J. Burnett, Nick Swisher, Mark Teixera, and C.C. Sabathia, they wouldn't be World Champs.

I don't think any other team in the MLB could have even signed 3 of those 4 free agents in one off season.

[dd316]

And I don't understand how a team/organization  can make more money loosing rather than winning. 

Ever seen The Producers?

[Hallsgator]

I really don't think this proves anything because many teams, unlike the Yankees, cannot afford to keep their hot prospects when they blossom.
I am more than confident in saying that if the Yankees didn't spend a total of over 500 million dollars in the signings of A.J. Burnett, Nick Swisher, Mark Teixera, and C.C. Sabathia, they wouldn't be World Champs.

I don't think any other team in the MLB could have even signed 3 of those 4 free agents in one off season.

I am more than confident in saying they wouldn't have won without Rivera, Jeter, Cano, and Pettite.

You stick those 4 free agents on another team, and they aren't guaranteed to win. The Yankees built a solid core with their farm system, and then added extra pieces. Any team can do that, as been proven before my the Marlins, Rays, and other small market teams. It just so happened the Yankees signed the top 3 free agents.

[cardinal]

I am more than confident in saying they wouldn't have won without Rivera, Jeter, Cano, and Pettite.

I agree, but I still feel like your not getting my side of the argument.

[2000 rushing yards]

try being in the same divison as the yankees. The orioles are rebuilding but even a "normal" rebuild isn't going to get them much, they need to spend which hurts because they don't have much money to draw from becuase they've been losing for the past decade plus

[bravesfan09]

Im just glad the Phillies didnt win

[killerhawkeye21]

Yep, I was left pretty joyless.

[northicehero99]

This excuse has been played out long enough. The Pirates have been a poorly run franchise for the past 2 decades, that's not the MLB's fault. The Marlins and Rays have proven you can win on a small budget through your farm system and signing a few key free agents. Even the Braves of the 90s are a good example because they did all their winning with a core of players they developed.

That's the same with this year's Yankees. They have tons of home-grown talent. It all starts within the organization.

Also, the way the revenue sharing system is set up, there is no incentive for the Pirates to win. The owners make more money losing then if they were to spend it to win. That's what needs to be fixed in the MLB, not a salary cap.

Your right it is not MLBs fault, it is my fault, as a fan I should burn the stadium down since my team has no interest in winning. Come on, get real, the Yankees (and other top teams) way overspend and it kills the market for most other teams. How do you expect teams to compete with that kind of spending? A cap ensures that the gluttens of baseball would only spend this much so they could not get all the better players, in addition it would help to ensure that teams like the Pirates put a product on the field, and maybe make ownership want to win since they are spending all that money. As for the 1990s you can exlcude that decade as that was really before the insanity hit and even then the Pirates were a little more competitive then.

I agree Pirate ownership sucks, but as long as they keep a team here, nobody is going to complain, I guess. Who knows we might not even care if they want to move the team. The sad fact of the matter is my tax dollars were spent to build a stadium for a team that does not care about winning, we should have just left them leave.

[phatman68]

I really don't think this proves anything because many teams, unlike the Yankees, cannot afford to keep their hot prospects when they blossom.
I am more than confident in saying that if the Yankees didn't spend a total of over 500 million dollars in the signings of A.J. Burnett, Nick Swisher, Mark Teixera, and C.C. Sabathia, they wouldn't be World Champs.

I don't think any other team in the MLB could have even signed 3 of those 4 free agents in one off season.

swisher was aquired via trade...if you have the money why not spend it? Dont be jealous youre team didnt win...respect the yankees for winning it.

[cardinal]

swisher was aquired via trade...if you have the money why not spend it?  Dont be jealous youre team didnt win...respect the yankees for winning it.

I am not being jealous, I am being honest.