Home
  Contests and Giveaways
  Hobby Headlines
  Hobby Articles
  Box Breaks
  Product Reviews
  Collector Corner
  Sports Cards
  Non-Sports Cards
  Collectibles
  Forums
  Gallery
  Blogs
  Chat
  Trivia
  Contact Us
  NPN Offers
  Price Guides
  Grading
  Supplies
  Software
  Card Calendar
  Show Calendar
  Team Addresses
  Collecting Tips
  Marketplace
  eBay
Custom Search

Welcome, Guest. The Collector Zone is a free community for trading card collectors - both sports and non-sports. There are forums for all of the major sports, non-sports, autographs and other hobby-related information. In addition, there are areas to trade, buy and sell with other collectors. Our members have now completed over 34,080 collector-to-collector transactions using our easy-to-use Transaction Manager.

With over 26,155 collectors and over 2,237,500 posts, there's plenty of ways to get involved with the other members - either in discussions or with trading. So, are you ready to join and start meeting other collectors?

If you're not a member, click here: Register


If you're already a member, login here:


 
Reply to this topicStart new topicStart Poll

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

> Giving Topps a Baseball Card Monopoly, Is the Wrong Decision

finestkind
post Aug 7 2009, 12:33 AM
Post #1

HOF
Group Icon
Group Icon

Posts: 10,547
Joined: 23-April 05
From: Boston Mass.
First Name: Dave
Transactions: 42
(View: Pending | Failed)

Awards:
Member of the Month — April 2009

View Gallery

View Trading and Marketplace Topics

Create Transaction


By JOSH ALPER
NBCNewYork.com
August 6,2009

Baseball card market needs competition not exclusivity.

During the halcyon days of the baseball card boom there were many companies vying for the dollars of collectors and the revenues went through the roof. The inevitable bust killed some of those companies, Fleer and Score we hardly knew thee, and now Major League Baseball is trying to close out the remaining competition by giving the business exclusively to Topps.

That's not how they spin it, of course. They spin it as saying that the way to revitalize the trading card business is by marketing it exclusively to kids, a party line that Topps' owner Michael Eisner is preaching as well.


"This is redirecting the entire category toward kids," said Eisner "Topps has been making cards for 60 years, the last 30 in a nonexclusive world that has caused confusion to the kid who walks into a Wal-Mart or a hobby store. It’s also been difficult to promote cards as unique and original."


That's hogwash on several levels. Anyone who has ever seen a kid in a candy or toy store knows that they have little issue deciding between things that they like and things that they don't. And if they like baseball cards, they're going to buy baseball cards whether they're made by Topps, Upper Deck or a cult that believes that Barry Zito is the messiah.

The Many Girlfriends of Derek Jeter
LOOK The Many Girlfriends of Derek Jeter
Eisner implies that Topps was selling a superior product, which is a specious claim given that we're talking about pictures of baseball players on cardboard. The only way that competition makes it hard to promote your product as unique and original is if your product is not, in fact, unique or original. If it is neither of those things, then you've got to eliminate the competition or lose market share. That has little to nothing to do with kids, who never drove the business anyway.

Sure, there's a bucolic image of kids with cards in their bicycle spokes being presented, but that's not what turned baseball cards into a cash cow in the 80's and 90's. It was adults, speculating on the future prices of cards in the same way as commodities traders speculate on the price of oil. It screws with the image, but it does wonders for the bottom line and there's not much chance of Topps recouping their investment solely by selling to kids.

The whole thing smacks of an inside deal between MLB and Eisner, who used to be part of the inner circle as the head of Disney. Disney, of course, once owned the Angels and owns ESPN, which has given the MLB a lot of cash and exposure over the years. Topps needs a little help to bolster their bottom line, so old friend Bud Selig helps him out and everybody's happy.

Upper Deck, the only other big card company, isn't totally finished. They have a licensing deal with the MLB Players Association, which means they can still sell cards with pictures of big leaguers doing big league things. They just can't show team logos, which will make for some goofy looking cards.

Hey, that's unique! See, Michael, it's not that hard!

Josh Alper is a writer living in New York City and is a contributor to FanHouse.com and ProFootballTalk.com in addition to his duties for NBCNewYork.com.



user posted image

User is offlinePMProfile Card
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
pspstatus
post Aug 7 2009, 12:44 AM
Post #2

MVP
Group Icon

Posts: 1,891
Joined: 8-June 08
From: Monticello, NY
First Name: Aaron
Transactions: 78
(View: Pending | Failed)

View Gallery

View Trading and Marketplace Topics

Create Transaction


I had to laugh when I heard them say it's about the kids. I think this guy hit the nail right on the head about the relationship between Selig and Eisner. It's 2+2=4 really. And as far as I'm concerned Bud Selig is a HUGE part of what's wrong with baseball. I can't wait until that guy is out as commisioner.


I collect rookie cards. Please check my list to see if you have anything I need.

My Bucket
Baseball Rookie Wantlist
Football Rookie Wantlist

Imagine
user posted image

MLB Team:
NBA Team:
NFL Team:
User is offlinePMProfile Card
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Dynasty1254
post Aug 7 2009, 02:49 AM
Post #3

Veteran
Group Icon

Posts: 149
Joined: 23-June 08
Transactions: 1
(View: Pending | Failed)

View Gallery

View Trading and Marketplace Topics

Create Transaction


Of course it had to go to Topps dry.gif What an awful move for the whole hobby. And of course its for the kids, yah riiiiiiiiight. Hopefully UD just unloads the rest of 09 and we get some awesome products before being faced with just Topps. Topps = good at the low end, Upper Deck= good at high end, it's worked fine since they kicked Donruss out ( then it was even better, Donruss was like the mid-ground ).

I bet UD is kicking themselves now for starting the exclusive trend with the NHL licence. It really is a shame sad.gif

Just thought of something else. What does this mean for UD exclusive players? Off the top of my head I can think of Dice K, Ichiro, Jeter, and Griffey.

This post has been edited by Dynasty1254: Aug 7 2009, 03:09 AM


LOOKING FOR 2006 SWEET SPOT UPDATE SWEET BEGGININGS PATCHES

MLB Team:
NBA Team:
NFL Team:
User is offlinePMProfile Card
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
northicehero99
post Aug 7 2009, 06:37 AM
Post #4

Collector Zone Team
Group Icon
Group Icon

Posts: 24,789
Joined: 4-April 05
First Name: Brian
Transactions: 1071
(View: Pending | Failed)

eBay: northicehero99


OpenChecklist:
northicehero99

Awards:
2007 AND 2008 Trader of the Year Trader of the Month - Aug. '05, Oct. '06, Jan. '07, Jul. '07

View Gallery

View Trading and Marketplace Topics

Create Transaction


Honestly I am surprised that none of the other card companies have challenged these licensing agreements as "monopolies". This is not a good thing but at least now UD will realize how it feels to be on the outside of the glass window looking in.


Collector Zone Team - Manager
user posted image

Tradelist topics: http://www.tradingcardcentral.com/apps/tra...=northicehero99

user posted image

MLB Team:
NFL Team:
NHL Team:
User is offlinePMProfile Card
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
aceecards
post Aug 7 2009, 07:01 AM
Post #5

Beam me up Scotty!
Group Icon
Group Icon

Posts: 58,578
Joined: 23-April 05
First Name: Steve
Transactions: 708
(View: Pending | Failed)

eBay: aceecards


Awards:
2008 Favorite Overall Collection 2007 Trade of the Year Trader of the Month - Oct. '05, Aug. '06, Aug. '07

YouTube:

View Gallery

View Trading and Marketplace Topics

Create Transaction


As i stated so boldly on the UD blog site linked thru facebook

Its kind Instant karma.

UD started the mess with Hockey and now Topps just effectively one upped them with baseball!

Eisner has all that disney money and McWilliams did not!

Actually this all started last summer when Topps acquired the exclusive rights to CMG and all the old timers. At that point it effectively ended UD's success chances in the baseball card market!

Good bad or ugly will remain a future judgement



My wants:
06-09 Allen & Ginter GU or Autos
08 Topps Mayo GU or Autos
08 Champs Hockey GU or Autos
Topps American Heritage Historical relics
Non-Sport Autos especially Firefly & LOTR
Hall of Fame GU or autos any sport

New and Improved Bucket NO NFT HERE!
Bucket with NFT!
Look BUT DONT TOUCH!

user posted image

MLB Team:
NBA Team:
NFL Team:
NHL Team:
User is offlinePMProfile Card
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
aceecards
post Aug 7 2009, 07:03 AM
Post #6

Beam me up Scotty!
Group Icon
Group Icon

Posts: 58,578
Joined: 23-April 05
First Name: Steve
Transactions: 708
(View: Pending | Failed)

eBay: aceecards


Awards:
2008 Favorite Overall Collection 2007 Trade of the Year Trader of the Month - Oct. '05, Aug. '06, Aug. '07

YouTube:

View Gallery

View Trading and Marketplace Topics

Create Transaction


Brian, The leagues control their copyrights, logos etc.. That is really all that has been taken away from UD at this point just as MLB did with DLP in 2005/06 and UD with ITG in hockey!

UD can still make baseball cards but they will have to airbrush off all the logos and such!


My wants:
06-09 Allen & Ginter GU or Autos
08 Topps Mayo GU or Autos
08 Champs Hockey GU or Autos
Topps American Heritage Historical relics
Non-Sport Autos especially Firefly & LOTR
Hall of Fame GU or autos any sport

New and Improved Bucket NO NFT HERE!
Bucket with NFT!
Look BUT DONT TOUCH!

user posted image

MLB Team:
NBA Team:
NFL Team:
NHL Team:
User is offlinePMProfile Card
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Tromni
post Aug 7 2009, 08:25 AM
Post #7

Washington Team Collector
Group Icon
Group Icon

Posts: 3,980
Joined: 5-April 06
From: Falls Church VA
First Name: Mark
Transactions: 96
(View: Pending | Failed)

View Gallery

View Trading and Marketplace Topics

Create Transaction


So expect to see some super high end USA Baseball sets from UD. And some rookies products. And a legendary cuts release (I don't need a logo to recognize Babe Ruth in pinstripes.) And a Heroes style set with art paintings where the logos don't need to be there.

UD will still make lots of baseball cards. Don't Panic.


Collector Zone Team
user posted image
Photobucket

Boyd Gordon Collection 55/102 (53.9%)
[Total BV - $403.70, plus 3 unlisted]

Particular Wants:
Hockey: Ovechkin, Alex Semin, Nick Backstrom, Mike Green, Karl Alzner
Football: Fred Davis, Devin Thomas, Malcom Kelly, Chris Cooley
Baseball: Ryan Zimmerman, Jesus Flores
Basketball: Caron Butler, Raymond Felton

MLB Team:
NBA Team:
NFL Team:
NHL Team:
User is offlinePMProfile Card
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
bigalexx
post Aug 7 2009, 06:31 PM
Post #8

TCC's #1 Ervin Santana Collector
Group Icon

Posts: 8,175
Joined: 27-August 06
From: Hotel California
First Name: Alex
Transactions: 83
(View: Pending | Failed)

View Gallery

View Trading and Marketplace Topics

Create Transaction


Its not a monopoly. MLBPA extended UDs license last month. Therefore UD can still produce cards of MLB Players, they just may not use logos or team names.

MLB Team:
NBA Team:
NFL Team:
NHL Team:
User is offlinePMProfile Card
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
benshobbies
post Aug 15 2009, 08:03 PM
Post #9

MVP
Group Icon

Posts: 1,667
Joined: 12-April 08
From: Berkshire County, Massachusetts
First Name: Benjamin
Transactions: 34
(View: Pending | Failed)

eBay: benshobbies


YouTube:

View Gallery

View Trading and Marketplace Topics

Create Transaction


Basically, UD & Donruss are kicking themselves in the butt by producing sports cards without logos or team names. That proves that it is not a monopoly, and therefore, Topps has won in Baseball. I can only hope Football remains non-exclusive.


NEW AND IMPROVED!! Check out my bucket! @ http://s861.photobucket.com/albums/ab175/benshobbies/ My photobucket! Right now all that is uploaded is my PC, but its a work in progress. Cards updated regularly! Praise God!

Collecting the 2008 UD Masterpieces Captured in Canvas Green Game Used Jersey set. Please PM me if you have any cards I need! I am 29/60 (49%) through the set.

I collect O.J. Mayo 2008-09 RC's and 2008+ Miami Dolphins RC's. Mainly interested in Chad Henne & Jake Long. Let me know if you would like to trade.

"That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." (Ephesians 5:27, KJV)

MLB Team:
NBA Team:
NFL Team:
User is offlinePMProfile Card
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
superstar
post Aug 20 2009, 02:01 PM
Post #10

Veteran
Group Icon

Posts: 119
Joined: 16-June 08
Transactions: 4
(View: Pending | Failed)

View Gallery

View Trading and Marketplace Topics

Create Transaction


QUOTE(benshobbies @ Aug 15 2009, 09:03 PM)
Basically, UD & Donruss are kicking themselves in the butt by producing sports cards without logos or team names.  That proves that it is not a monopoly, and therefore, Topps has won in Baseball.  I can only hope Football remains non-exclusive.
*



I have always liked having multiple different companies and products to choose from and as far as an exclusive deal I thought it was BULL - you know what when MLB and Topps and UD basically CONSPIRED and backroom dealed to make Donruss get out of the mlb licensed cards a few years back now leagues are able to sign full on exclusivity contracts with one company. It smacks of INSIDER TRADING considering topps is a publicly traded company and smacks of Monopolzing. Both of which are against the law unless of course you are a part of the good old boy network as is in this paticular case. SHAME on UD for starting this discriminatory and shameful practice and SHAME on Topps for continuing the same. OH on a side note I have collected all the major sports at one time or another but to do the exclusive with Hockey ??? Comeon ud you almost deserve to go out of business for that lack intelligence. That is least popular sport / smallest following / smallest market in sportscards.
Finally to both Topps and UD I have an old saying for both of you VERY GREEDY companies. If it isn't broke then don't try to fix it. You guys are going to KILL this hobby.

MLB Team:
User is offlinePMProfile Card
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post

Reply to this topicTopic OptionsStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:
 

Lo-Fi Version Time: 21st November 2009 - 05:23 AM
  

Partner
Sportlots.com

Affiliate

Affiliate
BCW Supplies

 
 
 
Copyright � 2000-2009 Trading Card Central. All rights reserved.   Advertise  Partners  Links  About Us  Contact Us