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post Feb 3 2008, 06:18 PM
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kobelover_24 receives:

07 Jerry Rice Auto National Treasures 1/5

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07-08 Julius Erving Auto
Magic Johnson/Kareem Jabbar Auto /25


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have you sent? I sent monday..thanks


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recieved today.. a little scraping on the side but i dont know.. but recieved on my end


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post Feb 12 2008, 07:48 PM
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trade is completed , it says it was dlvd on the 7th.. he hasnt been on for a long time


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QUOTE(kobelover_24 @ Feb 11 2008, 07:56 PM)
recieved today.. a little scraping on the side but i dont know.. but recieved on my end
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post Feb 13 2008, 08:47 PM
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Are you accepting the card as is or were you considering asking for something additional as compensation for the condition of what you received?

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Well, i think its fair if i get the DR.j back.. the card will grade at like 6 at the most.. its pretty bad... but i will talk to him..thanks


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QUOTE(kobelover_24 @ Feb 13 2008, 08:47 PM)
Well, i think its fair if i get the DR.j back.. the card will grade at like 6 at the most.. its pretty bad... but i will talk to him..thanks
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That card is perfectly fine. There were 2 scans of the card (front and back) on my photobucket. This KID has had this problem in the past. He recieves a card and then deems it to be "damaged". That card was perfectly fine when I sent it out and if you looked at the scans they looked perfectly fine. Im not sure what "damage" this card has, but it didnt have it when it left my house. I cant take all the kids on this site and until it changes, I will no longer be apart of this site. I had a good time trading on here, but theres way too many kids for my liking.


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QUOTE(dusty1218 @ Feb 14 2008, 04:49 PM)
That card is perfectly fine. There were 2 scans of the card (front and back) on my photobucket. This KID has had this problem in the past. He recieves a card and then deems it to be "damaged". That card was perfectly fine when I sent it out and if you looked at the scans they looked perfectly fine. Im not sure what "damage" this card has, but it didnt have it when it left my house. I cant take all the kids on this site and until it changes, I will no longer be apart of this site. I had a good time trading on here, but theres way too many kids for my liking.
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Instead of posting a rant about kids and just dismissing the concern about the condition of the card, why not stick to facts and attempt to resolve this matter in the way that an adult would? wink.gif

For example, using the DC number that kobelover_24 provided, the USPS web site shows the following:

Label/Receipt Number: 0307 1790 0002 2747 6957
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Bullet Delivered, February 07, 2008, 10:59 am, INDIANA, PA 15701
Bullet Acceptance, February 05, 2008, 3:55 pm, VENTURA, CA 93001


As of this moment, you still haven't confirmed that you received your end of this trade. Could you please do that now?

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post Feb 14 2008, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE(bob_TCC @ Feb 14 2008, 04:56 PM)
Dustin,

Instead of posting a rant about kids and just dismissing the concern about the condition of the card, why not stick to facts and attempt to resolve this matter in the way that an adult would?  wink.gif

For example, using the DC number that kobelover_24 provided, the USPS web site shows the following:

Label/Receipt Number: 0307 1790 0002 2747 6957
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Bullet  Delivered, February 07, 2008, 10:59 am, INDIANA, PA 15701
Bullet  Acceptance, February 05, 2008, 3:55 pm, VENTURA, CA 93001


As of this moment, you still haven't confirmed that you received your end of this trade.  Could you please do that now?

Then, please provide images or links to scans that you have showing the condition of the card.

kobelover_24,

Please also provide images or links to scans that you have showing the condition of the card.

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post Feb 14 2008, 05:00 PM
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I recieved his end, but the rice photos were deleted from my photobucket. He posted the rice pictures in his photobucket, but they have changed since i put them in there. They were rescanned. I might have the original pictures on my jump drive, but I am not positive about that either. Im not here to rip anyone off, as I have had 36+ successful trades in the last 2 months, but I cant take some kid damaging my card and then wanting his 2 cards back because supposedly the rice doesnt sell as high as his 2 cards does even when I just sold them on ebay for $30 less than the Rice pulls. Im sorry Bob for my rant, but kids like this make me hate trading on here and I am calling it quits. As for this trade, Im not sure how to make it "right" with me not having either one of his cards anymore, but please feel free to email me any suggestions, but its just really really irratating when going through his past trades and seeing he did this once before....


QUOTE(bob_TCC @ Feb 14 2008, 04:56 PM)
Dustin,

Instead of posting a rant about kids and just dismissing the concern about the condition of the card, why not stick to facts and attempt to resolve this matter in the way that an adult would?  wink.gif

For example, using the DC number that kobelover_24 provided, the USPS web site shows the following:

Label/Receipt Number: 0307 1790 0002 2747 6957
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Bullet  Delivered, February 07, 2008, 10:59 am, INDIANA, PA 15701
Bullet  Acceptance, February 05, 2008, 3:55 pm, VENTURA, CA 93001


As of this moment, you still haven't confirmed that you received your end of this trade.  Could you please do that now?

Then, please provide images or links to scans that you have showing the condition of the card.

kobelover_24,

Please also provide images or links to scans that you have showing the condition of the card.

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post Feb 14 2008, 05:05 PM
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you got to be kidding me... i didnt rescanned it.. you did not sell them on e-bay at all... show proof.. well i got to go , i will deal with this later..im so mad!!!!!!!!!


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I just emailed you the auction links.... here they are bob

Julius erving auto

Magic Johnson auto





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QUOTE(dusty1218 @ Feb 14 2008, 05:00 PM)
Im not here to rip anyone off, as I have had 36+ successful trades in the last 2 months, but I cant take some kid damaging my card and then wanting his 2 cards back because supposedly the rice doesnt sell as high as his 2 cards does even when I just sold them on ebay for $30 less than the Rice pulls.
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First, I don't believe anyone suggested that you were attempting to rip someone off. Instead, a member voiced a concern about the condition of a card that was received. This is certainly not the first time that such concerns have been raised in a transaction and likely won't be the last time. Condition is obviously an aspect of this hobby.

Second, it's unwise to make an accusation that you likely can't prove. However, feel free to provide proof that kobelover_24 damaged your card.

Third, was there some type of PM exchange that leads you to believe that the "real" issue relates to sell value and not a concern about condition. If so, please forward that PM to me.

Finally, why are you selling cards that are involved in a pending transaction? Now, any issue with this transaction is further complicated because you don't actually have the cards any longer.

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QUOTE(dusty1218 @ Feb 14 2008, 05:06 PM)
I just emailed you the auction links.... here they are bob
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See my other points/questions, but related to this...

Based on the eBay auctions, both cards were immediately listed on eBay when you received them on the 7th. The two 3-day auctions resulted in a final amount of $171.31 on the 10th - one day before kobelover_24 received his end of this trade.

I'm sure you will disagree, but I think this type of "flipping" before a transaction is even complete only invites potential problems and makes it difficult to resolve issues related to transactions.

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QUOTE(bob_TCC @ Feb 14 2008, 05:33 PM)
See my other points/questions, but related to this...

Based on the eBay auctions, both cards were immediately listed on eBay when you received them on the 7th.  The two 3-day auctions resulted in a final amount of $171.31 on the 10th - one day before kobelover_24 received his end of this trade.

I'm sure you will disagree, but I think this type of "flipping" before a transaction is even complete only invites potential problems and makes it difficult to resolve issues related to transactions.

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Im sure you are correct in that assumption, but if I thought there was going to be a problem, why would I have sold them? I have never had a problem before....I just dont get it, I am searching for the picture of the rice now....


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QUOTE(bob_TCC @ Feb 14 2008, 05:15 PM)
First, I don't believe anyone suggested that you were attempting to rip someone off.  Instead, a member voiced a concern about the condition of a card that was received.  This is certainly not the first time that such concerns have been raised in a transaction and likely won't be the last time.  Condition is obviously an aspect of this hobby.

Second, it's unwise to make an accusation that you likely can't prove.  However, feel free to provide proof that kobelover_24 damaged your card.

Third, was there some type of PM exchange that leads you to believe that the "real" issue relates to sell value and not a concern about condition.  If so, please forward that PM to me.

Finally, why are you selling cards that are involved in a pending transaction?  Now, any issue with this transaction is further complicated because you don't actually have the cards any longer.

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PM's regarding sell value have just been sent to you. Im not sure what you would like for me to do in this situation. The Rice sells for $195 and his 2 cards sold for $170. Hes already up $25 in SV. If I still had both cards I would give them back to him for the Rice saying that it isnt in terrible condition. One thing I dont get is, if he had a concern over condition, why couldnt he notice it in my scan and ask me about it? I looked at his scan and it is noticeable, why didnt he ask me about it? I had that card up for a few days and no one asked about it and it wasnt seen on my scan of the card as the damage did not exist...I can't prove he damaged my card, but he cant prove it was sent damaged....This is a tricky situation as neither one of us can really prove anything, but Im already in the hole $25, im not sure what I can do about it. Im not trying to rip anyone off here, but Im not going to lose $200 in the process....


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First, let me say this...

My role is to simply take the data that is provided and attempt to determine the best resolution to an issue. I go out of my way to be a neutral third party. wink.gif

QUOTE(dusty1218 @ Feb 14 2008, 05:41 PM)
PM's regarding sell value have just been sent to you.
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After reading that series of PMs, the facts are that kobelover_24 did not initially mention anything about sell value. Instead, he raised the same concern about condition. You then responded with a very similar reaction as you did in this topic - accusing him of damaging the card, comments about other transactions and a rant about kids. After that reaction, he then proceeded to raise the issue of sell value and then you both debated back and forth about sell value and who was getting the "best" deal.

Additionally, I have reviewed kobelover_24's transaction history and that does not indicate that there are other instances where he has either damaged a card or been untruthful about the condition of a card. Instead, the instances you must be referring to are ones where he does indeed seem to pay attention to sell value - something you obviously do as well.

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